I think this is overblown really. As long as all students are treated the same and the change in policy is clearly stated ahead of tests in the 3rd quarter it is what it is. The idea that the syllabus is some holy document that must not be changed or APS lacks integrity is just a lot. You might not like it, but I think it's within bounds. |
Kids made decision in August/September based on the policies in front of them. They decided to stay in a challenging class because they knew they could work hard and had a re-take option if needed. They are maintaining a B in class working hard and using the re-take policy. Now they could very easily get a C, because the policy has changed mid year. Like it or not, outside forces as mentioned above don’t really allow for you to get a C in a class and still get into a lot of colleges. You need to get As and very few Bs to get into many selective colleges. I think it’s unfortunate and I think a syllabus lays out the policies of the class at the beginning of the year. It has transparency and clear expectations. A very large school district near us does not allow for any changes to the syllabus that could potentially negatively impact the students mid year. I think that shows integrity and models that for students. |
I don't get it though and I have a kid in high school. Figure it out to get the grade you want on the first test. I agree this will take adjustments to how kids might be operating. But as a general plan, doing poorly on the first test and then figuring it out to take the re-take was not a good plan in the first place. |
No, they didn't. They have basically guaranteed that no child with any interest whatsoever is guaranteed to never get below a B on a test. Of course, there will be kids who ignore the retakes, but sheesh, I'd have loved to be guaranteed at least a B on every major exam. |
That is pretty limiting right there. |
THIS!!!!! You nailed it precisely! |
Actually, the point of school is to give everyone a basic education. I think we should stop talking "mastery" and use the term the elementary teacher in another comment used: proficiency. |
People apply their own perspectives and theories. You're all making this so much more complex than it is. The original policy intention was not that complicated! It wasn't for helping students get straight A's so they can get into "the best" school and then pursue their interests. The original intention was to improve APS stats by giving disadvantaged, disengaged, or struggling students endless opportunities to get their work done, learn the basic material, pass SOLs and graduate. Without making anybody "feel bad" and without regard to unintended consequences on other students or teachers. |
I think “figuring it out” is a bit of a naive strategy. Best practices say that teachers should be giving formative (pre test) assignments to give students feedback so they can realize if they are “figuring it out.” But in many classes, due to class size, HW only graded for completion, teachers over confidence that they know inherently that the students are getting the material, many times the unit test is the first chance to get real feedback that you were misunderstanding a concept. Then you get that feedback, study again and do better. That is truly happening for many students. Previous opportunities to “figure it out” weren’t there. Math lunch labs are not truly operated in reality. The teachers talk about them at back to school night, but when kids show up, teachers are shocked and just tell kids to practice quietly in the back. It’s not a true opportunity. I am happy that your high schooler has figured it out, but all kids are different. |
Huh? You just have to get an 80 on the retake to get a B. And if the opportunity to get a C instead of an "F" or low D isn't motivating, then the student has other issues to be addressed. Trust me. |
Since people don't really know why the policy was changed mid-year, everyone is merely speculating and there is nothing proving that it was merely because teachers were burdened. It's not like APS has responded to teachers' complaints about being overworked and having insufficient time for anything before. I think what the teachers did in your anecdote above is genius and fabulous. But it doesn't mean that's why APS changed its direction mid-course. It could be because the targeted students weren't the ones being reached and the above-average students were unnecessarily sucking more resources away from them. It could also be because parents complained. Or it could be a combination of factors. Whatever the reason, I assume (probably naively) that it was significant enough to warrant an immediate change. |
I have a kid who is panicking about this change. He has only taken two re-takes, but he’s really down about not having the opportunity to excel on a retake. He is outraged. He’s also got some learning differences and the current policy has made it easier for his 504 to just fall into place rather than me having to obsessively enforce it with his teachers. My other kid has completely abused the policy by only doing the test prep if he gets a bad grade and needs to retake the test. This does not go unnoticed by his teachers! This is to say, I’ve seen both the benefits and pitfalls of the current policy and I have mixed feelings about the change. My question: will teachers have the discretion to offer the entire class the opportunity to completely retake a test that the class collectively bombed and, at their discretion, offer the entire class the opportunity to get an A on that retake? Or does the new policy strip them of that discretion? |
Yeah...no. If they are already maintaining a B, they can still retake tests lower than 80 and get their usual B. Like it or not, more kids may find themselves going to a "lesser" school or even community college and then transferring to a more "selective" school - which, btw, saves you a ****load of money and they end up with the same degree. |
It's the approach to teaching that needs to change - not making policies that require kids to do double the work and take up extra time to re-do and re-take. Fix the TEACHING. Make teachers TEACH. |
There's no reason to interpret the policy as stripping away teacher discretion. These policies merely ensure certain opportunities. If your kid has a 504, then perhaps you can retain the assurance of retakes through that. However, by this policy, he is still ensured that ability just like everyone else if they get below a B. I just don't understand why everyone here seems to think every student is entitled to an A. |