Does everyone get Botox?

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Anonymous wrote:Ugh, this is why women have lower net worth than men. Can we NOT chase each other down this rabbit hole.

I have no doubt a little Botox and fillers could make me look better. But if I do it, then I'll want to keep doing it. It get's expensive! I'd rather stick that money in a money market account and grow it. I'd rather have "deep 11s" and deeper pockets than a smooth forehead and have to work an extra 5 years to pay for it.

But as this becomes the norm, now women whose faces age more normally will face more age and looks-based discrimination. Great.

We could also just not.

I disagree. Even men need to care for their looks to be successful as they age.

It's not even close to even.

That said, how you look shouldn't be the reason you are or are not successful unless perhaps you are a model. Success should depend on what you do and how competent you are, not how many wrinkles you do or don't have. The worst part of all of this is that you all just accept that you "have" to play this game. No one seems bothered which is sick. If you go along with it, you're part of the problem.

Shallow morons.

Maybe so but that’s not the world we live in

I am so down with Botox, but this is a lie a lot of women tell themselves: that they HAVE to do it in order to stay competitive in the workplace. Ageism and sexism is real, but botox etc makes little to no difference in careers unless you are on the screen. I work for one of the most well known entities on the planet and the women in the C suite are not faux young beauty queens.

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Ugh, this is why women have lower net worth than men. Can we NOT chase each other down this rabbit hole.

I have no doubt a little Botox and fillers could make me look better. But if I do it, then I'll want to keep doing it. It get's expensive! I'd rather stick that money in a money market account and grow it. I'd rather have "deep 11s" and deeper pockets than a smooth forehead and have to work an extra 5 years to pay for it.

But as this becomes the norm, now women whose faces age more normally will face more age and looks-based discrimination. Great.

We could also just not.

No girl, this is not why women have lower net worth than men. Not even close. And we’re never going to stop spending money to look good, so I guess you just have to die mad about it. I’m sure your marginally higher brokerage account more than makes up for it though

I spend about $600 on Botox every 4 months. That is $1,800/year. That is < 1% of my salary (and even less of our overall HHI). So for a relatively small fraction of our income, I can keep my face looking refreshed and more youthful looking. It feels like a good investment in myself.

And how in the world would this equate to needing to work 5 whole extra years?

I spend the same per year. Just did the math. It’s 0.16 percent of my annual income. It’s 0.09 percent of our household income. I don’t waste any money on dumb creams or facial treatments (other than very cheap tret). I get my hair done for $250 every two months. But I don’t waste any money on nails, lashes or brows, or the other things I can’t believe people spend on. My Botox bill is a really small line item and makes a huge difference in how I feel, and I’m not spending my money on other stuff. Why not?

Good for both of you-- you are both very high income. The issue being discussed is that if Botox becomes standard, it puts women at lower income in the position of feeling pressure to do spend more than they can justifiably afford just to keep up with a beauty standard. See, for instance, the PP who doesn't do it because they will be borrowing money to fund their kids' college. That's the more common situation.

If regular Botox is less than 1% of your personal income, just assume the conversation about affordability doesn't apply to you. But maybe have some self awareness about your financial situation, which is not typical, and don't hold other women to a beauty standard it would be prohibitively expensive for them to participate in.

Free Botox equity lol

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'm 45 and I don't, but most of my friends do. I think if I had deep 11s I would, but I don't have those yet.

I am 60 and have deep 11 lines. Botox won't help. May want to consider before they become deep.

Botox won’t help 11 lines once they are deep?

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This is such a sad thread. People buy into the Hollywood hype of never aging.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ugh, this is why women have lower net worth than men. Can we NOT chase each other down this rabbit hole.

I have no doubt a little Botox and fillers could make me look better. But if I do it, then I'll want to keep doing it. It get's expensive! I'd rather stick that money in a money market account and grow it. I'd rather have "deep 11s" and deeper pockets than a smooth forehead and have to work an extra 5 years to pay for it.

But as this becomes the norm, now women whose faces age more normally will face more age and looks-based discrimination. Great.

We could also just not.

I disagree. Even men need to care for their looks to be successful as they age.

It's not even close to even.

That said, how you look shouldn't be the reason you are or are not successful unless perhaps you are a model. Success should depend on what you do and how competent you are, not how many wrinkles you do or don't have. The worst part of all of this is that you all just accept that you "have" to play this game. No one seems bothered which is sick. If you go along with it, you're part of the problem.

Shallow morons.

Maybe so but that’s not the world we live in

I am so down with Botox, but this is a lie a lot of women tell themselves: that they HAVE to do it in order to stay competitive in the workplace. Ageism and sexism is real, but botox etc makes little to no difference in careers unless you are on the screen. I work for one of the most well known entities on the planet and the women in the C suite are not faux young beauty queens.

PP wasn’t saying people need Botox to succeed but she was acknowledging reality - looks absolutely do provide an advantage in the workplace, both youth and general attractiveness. Published research has shown this as have anonymous surveys.

https://www.inc.com/marcel-schwantes/are-your-colleagues-judging-you-based-on-your-appearance-new-research-reveals-how-far-discrimination-has-come-in-workplace.html

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Anonymous wrote:This is such a sad thread. People buy into the Hollywood hype of never aging.

No one getting Botox thinks they will “never age.” They are just aiming to look better as they age. It’s less invasive than surgery.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm in a well educated, professional woman, very high income. 46. I started botox 2 or so years ago. Very subtle, looks great. I'm a super low key person when it comes to my looks. I work from home, blow dry my hair maybe once a year, only wear make up when we're going out. I like clothes and looking nice, but not to the extent I have to put effort into it.

With that said, yeah, botox makes me look great. My DH was blown away by how natural and de-aging it looks. I had pretty minor wrinkles. Mostly crows feet. No 11s. It just smoothed them a lot. My DH liked it so much that he's started going too. And he's also the opposite of a vain, spend-money-on-looks kind of guy.

Then you start subtly bringing it up to your colleagues and friends, and yeah, if a woman has a good paying job in her mid 40s, it seems they are all doing botox. It seemed so shameful to begin with, but now I find everyone is happy to talk about it and just own it.

Where do you go for this?

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I’m 35 and spend $400 4x a year on botox. I’m not a super high earner like a lot of people on dcum (I make 80k) but botox is so worth the expense.

I’m no beauty queen but it works wonders and I don’t have to fuss around with useless expensive moisturizers and serums that hardly make a difference. I completely understand why it’s so popular

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ugh, this is why women have lower net worth than men. Can we NOT chase each other down this rabbit hole.

I have no doubt a little Botox and fillers could make me look better. But if I do it, then I'll want to keep doing it. It get's expensive! I'd rather stick that money in a money market account and grow it. I'd rather have "deep 11s" and deeper pockets than a smooth forehead and have to work an extra 5 years to pay for it.

But as this becomes the norm, now women whose faces age more normally will face more age and looks-based discrimination. Great.

We could also just not.

No girl, this is not why women have lower net worth than men. Not even close. And we’re never going to stop spending money to look good, so I guess you just have to die mad about it. I’m sure your marginally higher brokerage account more than makes up for it though

I spend about $600 on Botox every 4 months. That is $1,800/year. That is < 1% of my salary (and even less of our overall HHI). So for a relatively small fraction of our income, I can keep my face looking refreshed and more youthful looking. It feels like a good investment in myself.

And how in the world would this equate to needing to work 5 whole extra years?

I spend the same per year. Just did the math. It’s 0.16 percent of my annual income. It’s 0.09 percent of our household income. I don’t waste any money on dumb creams or facial treatments (other than very cheap tret). I get my hair done for $250 every two months. But I don’t waste any money on nails, lashes or brows, or the other things I can’t believe people spend on. My Botox bill is a really small line item and makes a huge difference in how I feel, and I’m not spending my money on other stuff. Why not?

$666,666.67 that’s a lot of 6es

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ugh, this is why women have lower net worth than men. Can we NOT chase each other down this rabbit hole.

I have no doubt a little Botox and fillers could make me look better. But if I do it, then I'll want to keep doing it. It get's expensive! I'd rather stick that money in a money market account and grow it. I'd rather have "deep 11s" and deeper pockets than a smooth forehead and have to work an extra 5 years to pay for it.

But as this becomes the norm, now women whose faces age more normally will face more age and looks-based discrimination. Great.

We could also just not.

No girl, this is not why women have lower net worth than men. Not even close. And we’re never going to stop spending money to look good, so I guess you just have to die mad about it. I’m sure your marginally higher brokerage account more than makes up for it though

I spend about $600 on Botox every 4 months. That is $1,800/year. That is < 1% of my salary (and even less of our overall HHI). So for a relatively small fraction of our income, I can keep my face looking refreshed and more youthful looking. It feels like a good investment in myself.

And how in the world would this equate to needing to work 5 whole extra years?

I spend the same per year. Just did the math. It’s 0.16 percent of my annual income. It’s 0.09 percent of our household income. I don’t waste any money on dumb creams or facial treatments (other than very cheap tret). I get my hair done for $250 every two months. But I don’t waste any money on nails, lashes or brows, or the other things I can’t believe people spend on. My Botox bill is a really small line item and makes a huge difference in how I feel, and I’m not spending my money on other stuff. Why not?

$666,666.67 that’s a lot of 6es

My bad I did that wrong. Used $600 instead of $1800

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Anonymous wrote:I’m 45 and got Botox for the first about 6 months ago. I love it. No idea why I waited this long. My horizontal forehead lines, some of which were moderate, are now barely noticeable. I was beginning to develop 11s and those are gone. But the biggest difference for me is my eyes. My crows feet are smoothed but more importantly my eyes are more open and alert! At some point after age 41-42, I noticed my eyebrows had started to droop and it looked like I had hooded eyes. Botox subtly lifted it all back into place.

I would like to “wake up “ my eyes. Does it look natural looking for you? I really shouldn’t spend money on Botox (college kids), but I have been trying so many lotions, creams etc. Some are not worth it so that’s wasted money.

[Anonymous]

First off, it's weird when someone's forehead doesn't move. It looks very weird in motion.

Anyway, apart from wrinkles, there are so many other signs of aging... sagging, facial fat loss, etc. Most people look somewhere around their age at the end of the day. And sure, some people don't develop wrinkles on their forehead naturally (my in-law have that genetic disposition) but... trust me they still have aged in other ways.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:First off, it's weird when someone's forehead doesn't move. It looks very weird in motion.

Anyway, apart from wrinkles, there are so many other signs of aging... sagging, facial fat loss, etc. Most people look somewhere around their age at the end of the day. And sure, some people don't develop wrinkles on their forehead naturally (my in-law have that genetic disposition) but... trust me they still have aged in other ways.

I don’t know anyone whose forehead doesn’t move from Botox.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm 45 and I don't, but most of my friends do. I think if I had deep 11s I would, but I don't have those yet.

I am 60 and have deep 11 lines. Botox won't help. May want to consider before they become deep.

Botox won’t help 11 lines once they are deep?

It may lessen them, but it probably won't disappear them.

[Anonymous]

I'm 50 - I've never had any beauty to preserve so don't worry about Botox or expensive treatments, moisturizers/serums/etc. I have some moisturizer from Trader Joe's.

I'm happy with my federal job and not looking to move up - my agency can't lay me off for coming into my office once a week looking like I'm around 50. Maybe I would be more self conscious if I had kids in MS or something (mine are adults - I earned these lines during the teen years!)