Ward 3 Crime Meeting w/CM Frumin, USAO Graves and AG Schwab 1/17 6pm Cleveland Park library

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Anonymous wrote:Matt trying to seem plugged in on crime issue. Good work by MPD. Ball is in USAO's court now.



I only see an MPD announcement about the murder arrest. Where are the announcements about the other two crimes?

What are the chances that every single person who perpetuated these crimes would have been locked up had they lived in any other place than DC? I'm putting it at 75 percent.


This killer was completely comfortable carrying an illegal gun throughout DC knowing that he could drive crazy, jump the metro turnstile or do any number of other criminal acts without having a police confrontation that would lead to a gun charge. Now this young woman is dead.


I don't even know what you are talking about. First of all, they've been pretty openly making gun related arrests on metro. Secondly, I don't know how any policy the police have in place would have caught this person with a gun before the shooting. Some of you process trauma by blaming people and while its understandable, it's also really frustrated how much misplaced blame gets passed around.


You’re not intelligent, so this conversation is not for you.


Are you just not sure how to respond? Because I don't think what I said was all that confusing. I'll try rephrasing the question: What council policies would have prevented this person from carrying a gun into a hotel room?


Oh look Janeese Lewis George is here. Hey everyone it turns out that none of our elected leaders bear any responsibility for our out-of-control crime. Helpful reminder: There's only four big cities in this country (Memphis, Baltimore, New Orleans and Cleveland) with worse crime rates than DC.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/interactive/2024/dc-crime-homicide-victims-shooting-violence/



What council policies would have prevented this person from carrying a gun into a hotel room?


Allowing turnstile jumpers. Allowing fake dealer plates. Mandating cops not pursue suspects. Legalizing unlicensed sidewalk stores.

This all creates an atmosphere of lawlessness where criminals feel impervious to consequences.


Okay, so you're just throwing things at a wall and hoping something sticks in order to try and rationalize this very sad instance of an 18 year old losing their sh**t at a party and shooting another young person. Again, this was an incredibly sad situation, but the rush to blame our CMs whenever there is a shooting is so misplaced. The situation was awful. Guns allow people who are prone to violence and escalation to create tragedies. I really don't know what else there is to say about it.
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Anonymous wrote:Legalizing unlicensed sidewalk stores. This all creates an atmosphere of lawlessness where criminals feel impervious to consequences.


Legalizing sidewalk fencing operations just outside stores that were robbed, sometimes at gunpoint, often by organized retail theft rings, sometimes just after deliveries


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Anonymous wrote:Legalizing unlicensed sidewalk stores. This all creates an atmosphere of lawlessness where criminals feel impervious to consequences.


Legalizing sidewalk fencing operations just outside stores that were robbed, sometimes at gunpoint, often by organized retail theft rings, sometimes just after deliveries




You all aren't interested in a serious discussion. We're talking about a specific situation here and you just want to throw everything else out - have fun. I'm gone.
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Anonymous wrote:our elected leaders get more pissed off about legislation to crack down on crime than they do actual crime. shows you what they really think.


True. 274 murders this year in D.C. Only one outraged Frumin enough that he tweeted about it - the car thief that was shot by a resident when he and a group of others got into a confrontation with the resident while stealing cars at 4 am:

https://twitter.com/CMFrumin/status/1612821886580449281

Not the child murdered in her car with her family on mothers day. Not the hard working kid sensely murdered walking to his job. Not the woman stabbed to death by a violent felon that a judge said was too dangerous to release, but got released anyway. Not the hard working construction worker who was murdered walking to work in the morning. People should ask Frumin why a resident shooting a car thief is the only murder out of the hundreds that bothered them and that they called for action on.

Also, people joke about pickleball, but it’s true. Looking at his budget requests, he brags about asking for 5 new pickleball courts, but didn’t bother trying to get anything to combat crime:

https://twitter.com/CMFrumin/status/1626257299797946368
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Anonymous wrote:Matt trying to seem plugged in on crime issue. Good work by MPD. Ball is in USAO's court now.



I only see an MPD announcement about the murder arrest. Where are the announcements about the other two crimes?

What are the chances that every single person who perpetuated these crimes would have been locked up had they lived in any other place than DC? I'm putting it at 75 percent.


This killer was completely comfortable carrying an illegal gun throughout DC knowing that he could drive crazy, jump the metro turnstile or do any number of other criminal acts without having a police confrontation that would lead to a gun charge. Now this young woman is dead.


I don't even know what you are talking about. First of all, they've been pretty openly making gun related arrests on metro. Secondly, I don't know how any policy the police have in place would have caught this person with a gun before the shooting. Some of you process trauma by blaming people and while its understandable, it's also really frustrated how much misplaced blame gets passed around.


You’re not intelligent, so this conversation is not for you.


Are you just not sure how to respond? Because I don't think what I said was all that confusing. I'll try rephrasing the question: What council policies would have prevented this person from carrying a gun into a hotel room?


Oh look Janeese Lewis George is here. Hey everyone it turns out that none of our elected leaders bear any responsibility for our out-of-control crime. Helpful reminder: There's only four big cities in this country (Memphis, Baltimore, New Orleans and Cleveland) with worse crime rates than DC.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/interactive/2024/dc-crime-homicide-victims-shooting-violence/



What council policies would have prevented this person from carrying a gun into a hotel room?


Allowing turnstile jumpers. Allowing fake dealer plates. Mandating cops not pursue suspects. Legalizing unlicensed sidewalk stores.

This all creates an atmosphere of lawlessness where criminals feel impervious to consequences.


Okay, so you're just throwing things at a wall and hoping something sticks in order to try and rationalize this very sad instance of an 18 year old losing their sh**t at a party and shooting another young person. Again, this was an incredibly sad situation, but the rush to blame our CMs whenever there is a shooting is so misplaced. The situation was awful. Guns allow people who are prone to violence and escalation to create tragedies. I really don't know what else there is to say about it.


The laws re: juvenile crime (which likely pertained to the shooter - should he have been off the street? did he get services? was he compliant? should he have been monitored?) should be revisited. And vigorous, outcome oriented oversight is warranted by Council and fed partners, respectively.

The Council have deliberately weakened laws re: juveniles, and expanding the term to mean criminals in mid-20s. It has harmed public safety and it has resulted in a staggering number of shot and dead black juveniles who were not removed from the community or gotten on a better path.

The "legacy" of Charles Allen needs careful scruitiny and adjustments.
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Anonymous wrote:Matt trying to seem plugged in on crime issue. Good work by MPD. Ball is in USAO's court now.



I only see an MPD announcement about the murder arrest. Where are the announcements about the other two crimes?

What are the chances that every single person who perpetuated these crimes would have been locked up had they lived in any other place than DC? I'm putting it at 75 percent.


This killer was completely comfortable carrying an illegal gun throughout DC knowing that he could drive crazy, jump the metro turnstile or do any number of other criminal acts without having a police confrontation that would lead to a gun charge. Now this young woman is dead.


I don't even know what you are talking about. First of all, they've been pretty openly making gun related arrests on metro. Secondly, I don't know how any policy the police have in place would have caught this person with a gun before the shooting. Some of you process trauma by blaming people and while its understandable, it's also really frustrated how much misplaced blame gets passed around.


You’re not intelligent, so this conversation is not for you.


Are you just not sure how to respond? Because I don't think what I said was all that confusing. I'll try rephrasing the question: What council policies would have prevented this person from carrying a gun into a hotel room?


Oh look Janeese Lewis George is here. Hey everyone it turns out that none of our elected leaders bear any responsibility for our out-of-control crime. Helpful reminder: There's only four big cities in this country (Memphis, Baltimore, New Orleans and Cleveland) with worse crime rates than DC.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/interactive/2024/dc-crime-homicide-victims-shooting-violence/



What council policies would have prevented this person from carrying a gun into a hotel room?


Allowing turnstile jumpers. Allowing fake dealer plates. Mandating cops not pursue suspects. Legalizing unlicensed sidewalk stores.

This all creates an atmosphere of lawlessness where criminals feel impervious to consequences.


Okay, so you're just throwing things at a wall and hoping something sticks in order to try and rationalize this very sad instance of an 18 year old losing their sh**t at a party and shooting another young person. Again, this was an incredibly sad situation, but the rush to blame our CMs whenever there is a shooting is so misplaced. The situation was awful. Guns allow people who are prone to violence and escalation to create tragedies. I really don't know what else there is to say about it.


Policies have consequences and our city leadership have pushed the policies that led to this tragedy, nearly 1000 carjackings and a murder rate not seen in 25 years.
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Anonymous wrote:Okay, so you're just throwing things at a wall and hoping something sticks in order to try and rationalize this very sad instance of an 18 year old losing their sh**t at a party and shooting another young person. Again, this was an incredibly sad situation, but the rush to blame our CMs whenever there is a shooting is so misplaced.


We should listen to what the victim’s relative’s say, instead of trying to run defense for the failures of our city leaders:

Thomas, 71, pastor of Johnson Memorial Baptist Church in Southeast Washington, said his granddaughter “had big dreams and big plans. And we had big dreams and big plans for her. And now she’s gone. And for what? Because somebody was being stupid. And this city tells these kids they can be stupid, and that nobody is going to be held accountable. It’s shameful.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2024/01/03/homicide-dc-student-college/

And you see this every single time these murders happen. The victims family and those in the community ask leaders say the city has to be tougher on crime to prevent these tragedies. People unaffected by the deaths shrug them off and say that there shouldn’t be any accountability to the massive failures from our elected leaders.
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Matt trying to seem plugged in on crime issue. Good work by MPD. Ball is in USAO's court now.



I only see an MPD announcement about the murder arrest. Where are the announcements about the other two crimes?

What are the chances that every single person who perpetuated these crimes would have been locked up had they lived in any other place than DC? I'm putting it at 75 percent.


This killer was completely comfortable carrying an illegal gun throughout DC knowing that he could drive crazy, jump the metro turnstile or do any number of other criminal acts without having a police confrontation that would lead to a gun charge. Now this young woman is dead.


I don't even know what you are talking about. First of all, they've been pretty openly making gun related arrests on metro. Secondly, I don't know how any policy the police have in place would have caught this person with a gun before the shooting. Some of you process trauma by blaming people and while its understandable, it's also really frustrated how much misplaced blame gets passed around.


You’re not intelligent, so this conversation is not for you.


Are you just not sure how to respond? Because I don't think what I said was all that confusing. I'll try rephrasing the question: What council policies would have prevented this person from carrying a gun into a hotel room?


Oh look Janeese Lewis George is here. Hey everyone it turns out that none of our elected leaders bear any responsibility for our out-of-control crime. Helpful reminder: There's only four big cities in this country (Memphis, Baltimore, New Orleans and Cleveland) with worse crime rates than DC.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/interactive/2024/dc-crime-homicide-victims-shooting-violence/



Four deeply poor cities and DC, one of the wealthiest big cities in the country
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Matt trying to seem plugged in on crime issue. Good work by MPD. Ball is in USAO's court now.



I only see an MPD announcement about the murder arrest. Where are the announcements about the other two crimes?

What are the chances that every single person who perpetuated these crimes would have been locked up had they lived in any other place than DC? I'm putting it at 75 percent.


This killer was completely comfortable carrying an illegal gun throughout DC knowing that he could drive crazy, jump the metro turnstile or do any number of other criminal acts without having a police confrontation that would lead to a gun charge. Now this young woman is dead.


I don't even know what you are talking about. First of all, they've been pretty openly making gun related arrests on metro. Secondly, I don't know how any policy the police have in place would have caught this person with a gun before the shooting. Some of you process trauma by blaming people and while its understandable, it's also really frustrated how much misplaced blame gets passed around.


You’re not intelligent, so this conversation is not for you.


Are you just not sure how to respond? Because I don't think what I said was all that confusing. I'll try rephrasing the question: What council policies would have prevented this person from carrying a gun into a hotel room?


Oh look Janeese Lewis George is here. Hey everyone it turns out that none of our elected leaders bear any responsibility for our out-of-control crime. Helpful reminder: There's only four big cities in this country (Memphis, Baltimore, New Orleans and Cleveland) with worse crime rates than DC.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/interactive/2024/dc-crime-homicide-victims-shooting-violence/



What council policies would have prevented this person from carrying a gun into a hotel room?


Allowing turnstile jumpers. Allowing fake dealer plates. Mandating cops not pursue suspects. Legalizing unlicensed sidewalk stores.

This all creates an atmosphere of lawlessness where criminals feel impervious to consequences.


Okay, so you're just throwing things at a wall and hoping something sticks in order to try and rationalize this very sad instance of an 18 year old losing their sh**t at a party and shooting another young person. Again, this was an incredibly sad situation, but the rush to blame our CMs whenever there is a shooting is so misplaced. The situation was awful. Guns allow people who are prone to violence and escalation to create tragedies. I really don't know what else there is to say about it.


The rush to blame is very well placed, actually. We are watching the broken windows theory being proven before our eyes. This Council has created an environment where public fencing of stolen goods is allowed. Public use of marijuana is not prosecuted. And violent criminals are released the next day. The Council has created an environment of shocking lawlessness to the point where no one is safe at any hour of the day. Professional athletes, members of congress, diplomats, or just regular folks. We’re all in danger.
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Anonymous wrote:Matt trying to seem plugged in on crime issue. Good work by MPD. Ball is in USAO's court now.



I only see an MPD announcement about the murder arrest. Where are the announcements about the other two crimes?

What are the chances that every single person who perpetuated these crimes would have been locked up had they lived in any other place than DC? I'm putting it at 75 percent.


This killer was completely comfortable carrying an illegal gun throughout DC knowing that he could drive crazy, jump the metro turnstile or do any number of other criminal acts without having a police confrontation that would lead to a gun charge. Now this young woman is dead.


I don't even know what you are talking about. First of all, they've been pretty openly making gun related arrests on metro. Secondly, I don't know how any policy the police have in place would have caught this person with a gun before the shooting. Some of you process trauma by blaming people and while its understandable, it's also really frustrated how much misplaced blame gets passed around.


You’re not intelligent, so this conversation is not for you.


Are you just not sure how to respond? Because I don't think what I said was all that confusing. I'll try rephrasing the question: What council policies would have prevented this person from carrying a gun into a hotel room?


Oh look Janeese Lewis George is here. Hey everyone it turns out that none of our elected leaders bear any responsibility for our out-of-control crime. Helpful reminder: There's only four big cities in this country (Memphis, Baltimore, New Orleans and Cleveland) with worse crime rates than DC.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/interactive/2024/dc-crime-homicide-victims-shooting-violence/



What council policies would have prevented this person from carrying a gun into a hotel room?


Allowing turnstile jumpers. Allowing fake dealer plates. Mandating cops not pursue suspects. Legalizing unlicensed sidewalk stores.

This all creates an atmosphere of lawlessness where criminals feel impervious to consequences.


Okay, so you're just throwing things at a wall and hoping something sticks in order to try and rationalize this very sad instance of an 18 year old losing their sh**t at a party and shooting another young person. Again, this was an incredibly sad situation, but the rush to blame our CMs whenever there is a shooting is so misplaced. The situation was awful. Guns allow people who are prone to violence and escalation to create tragedies. I really don't know what else there is to say about it.


The rush to blame is very well placed, actually. We are watching the broken windows theory being proven before our eyes. This Council has created an environment where public fencing of stolen goods is allowed. Public use of marijuana is not prosecuted. And violent criminals are released the next day. The Council has created an environment of shocking lawlessness to the point where no one is safe at any hour of the day. Professional athletes, members of congress, diplomats, or just regular folks. We’re all in danger.


Well said.
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Anonymous wrote:Pinto has a common sense bill to fight crime. Hopefully Frumin can be pushed to support it:

https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/local/dc/gun-violence-bill-criticized-as-dc-returns-to-stop-and-frisk/65-114a1f32-526c-4ad6-aeed-127a756a95ce

It’s unsettling that when these crime bills are discussed, Frumin’s only concern seems to be that they’re going too far. I imagine he’ll also respond in his usual dismissive manned: “Well, there are many interesting parts, but we have to look into the details and…” He’s been there for a year, the bill was introduced 4 months ago. The guy doesn’t seem to take this issue seriously at all, he only seems to want to get his constituents off his back about it.

Frumin also needs to be pressed on the voucher issue, especially with regard to Connecticut. It’s insane that the city is paying to put violent criminals in these buildings, and then doing nothing when they assault the residents.


All of this.

I get the sense he is a 1 termer and is not really invested in staying there, so, doesn't really care about constituent views.

Goulet would have been better imo. And without Silverman's antics and those of other dem machine pols at the last minute, Frumin may well have lost.
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Anonymous wrote:Okay, so you're just throwing things at a wall and hoping something sticks in order to try and rationalize this very sad instance of an 18 year old losing their sh**t at a party and shooting another young person. Again, this was an incredibly sad situation, but the rush to blame our CMs whenever there is a shooting is so misplaced.


We should listen to what the victim’s relative’s say, instead of trying to run defense for the failures of our city leaders:

Thomas, 71, pastor of Johnson Memorial Baptist Church in Southeast Washington, said his granddaughter “had big dreams and big plans. And we had big dreams and big plans for her. And now she’s gone. And for what? Because somebody was being stupid. And this city tells these kids they can be stupid, and that nobody is going to be held accountable. It’s shameful.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2024/01/03/homicide-dc-student-college/

And you see this every single time these murders happen. The victims family and those in the community ask leaders say the city has to be tougher on crime to prevent these tragedies. People unaffected by the deaths shrug them off and say that there shouldn’t be any accountability to the massive failures from our elected leaders.


Yet, we have the DC City Council appointing a convicted murderer to the Sentencing Commission rather than a loved one of a crime victim! Mendo then tried to hide it by publishing the public notice AFTER the hearings had been held. These people are so slippery and DO appear to value criminals over victims, over and over again. Allen even wrote to a judge on behalf of a man who had raped a mother and her elementary aged daughter.
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Anonymous wrote:our elected leaders get more pissed off about legislation to crack down on crime than they do actual crime. shows you what they really think.


True. 274 murders this year in D.C. Only one outraged Frumin enough that he tweeted about it - the car thief that was shot by a resident when he and a group of others got into a confrontation with the resident while stealing cars at 4 am:

https://twitter.com/CMFrumin/status/1612821886580449281

Not the child murdered in her car with her family on mothers day. Not the hard working kid sensely murdered walking to his job. Not the woman stabbed to death by a violent felon that a judge said was too dangerous to release, but got released anyway. Not the hard working construction worker who was murdered walking to work in the morning. People should ask Frumin why a resident shooting a car thief is the only murder out of the hundreds that bothered them and that they called for action on.

Also, people joke about pickleball, but it’s true. Looking at his budget requests, he brags about asking for 5 new pickleball courts, but didn’t bother trying to get anything to combat crime:

https://twitter.com/CMFrumin/status/1626257299797946368



That kid had REPEATEDLY been reported missing by MPD, just like this shooter was reported missing. Just like So'Fine Charles, a 14 year old girl is reported missing so often from Forest Hills that her name is recognizable. Several girls have gone missing from Cleveland Park. Kids being gone is a sign of crisis, of effective interventions being URGENT with continued oversight of child and family. Instead so often when a kid is shot or killed or shoots, their name is familiar from having been missing so often. I wonder about the truancy being so high and not effectively addressed after covid. If Relisha Rudd were to go missing today, how long would it take to even be reported by the school?
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Who can enjoy pickleball when the car or bike you use to get there may be stolen while you play, the park is used for pretty open drug dealing and you may be hit by stray gunfire?
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Anonymous wrote:Matt trying to seem plugged in on crime issue. Good work by MPD. Ball is in USAO's court now.



I only see an MPD announcement about the murder arrest. Where are the announcements about the other two crimes?

What are the chances that every single person who perpetuated these crimes would have been locked up had they lived in any other place than DC? I'm putting it at 75 percent.


This killer was completely comfortable carrying an illegal gun throughout DC knowing that he could drive crazy, jump the metro turnstile or do any number of other criminal acts without having a police confrontation that would lead to a gun charge. Now this young woman is dead.


I don't even know what you are talking about. First of all, they've been pretty openly making gun related arrests on metro. Secondly, I don't know how any policy the police have in place would have caught this person with a gun before the shooting. Some of you process trauma by blaming people and while its understandable, it's also really frustrated how much misplaced blame gets passed around.


You’re not intelligent, so this conversation is not for you.


Are you just not sure how to respond? Because I don't think what I said was all that confusing. I'll try rephrasing the question: What council policies would have prevented this person from carrying a gun into a hotel room?


Oh look Janeese Lewis George is here. Hey everyone it turns out that none of our elected leaders bear any responsibility for our out-of-control crime. Helpful reminder: There's only four big cities in this country (Memphis, Baltimore, New Orleans and Cleveland) with worse crime rates than DC.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/interactive/2024/dc-crime-homicide-victims-shooting-violence/



What council policies would have prevented this person from carrying a gun into a hotel room?


Allowing turnstile jumpers. Allowing fake dealer plates. Mandating cops not pursue suspects. Legalizing unlicensed sidewalk stores.

This all creates an atmosphere of lawlessness where criminals feel impervious to consequences.


Okay, so you're just throwing things at a wall and hoping something sticks in order to try and rationalize this very sad instance of an 18 year old losing their sh**t at a party and shooting another young person. Again, this was an incredibly sad situation, but the rush to blame our CMs whenever there is a shooting is so misplaced. The situation was awful. Guns allow people who are prone to violence and escalation to create tragedies. I really don't know what else there is to say about it.


The rush to blame is very well placed, actually. We are watching the broken windows theory being proven before our eyes. This Council has created an environment where public fencing of stolen goods is allowed. Public use of marijuana is not prosecuted. And violent criminals are released the next day. The Council has created an environment of shocking lawlessness to the point where no one is safe at any hour of the day. Professional athletes, members of congress, diplomats, or just regular folks. We’re all in danger.


Well said.


+1,000

And in danger in broad daylight, witnesses and even law enforcement nearby are no longer a deterrent. Even cooperative victims are being shot or stabbed and even witnesses have been shot at. A rifle sprays, doesn't take a marksman to be hit by a stray.

Metro is very unsafe now, it stems from changes made by DC Council, which WMATA, VA and MD advocated AGAINST. What was safe or made you safer in the 90s has also been lost.
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