Ward 3 Crime Meeting w/CM Frumin, USAO Graves and AG Schwab 1/17 6pm Cleveland Park library

[Anonymous]

The truancy rate is shockingly higher than even 10-12 years ago. A whole generation of kids is missing out on basics like literacy and getting involved in criminal behavior instead.

The literal basics of government are in shambles here, not just criminal justice, but education, a key chance to intervene for kids at risk.

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Anonymous wrote:Matt trying to seem plugged in on crime issue. Good work by MPD. Ball is in USAO's court now.

I only see an MPD announcement about the murder arrest. Where are the announcements about the other two crimes?

What are the chances that every single person who perpetuated these crimes would have been locked up had they lived in any other place than DC? I'm putting it at 75 percent.

This killer was completely comfortable carrying an illegal gun throughout DC knowing that he could drive crazy, jump the metro turnstile or do any number of other criminal acts without having a police confrontation that would lead to a gun charge. Now this young woman is dead.

I don't even know what you are talking about. First of all, they've been pretty openly making gun related arrests on metro. Secondly, I don't know how any policy the police have in place would have caught this person with a gun before the shooting. Some of you process trauma by blaming people and while its understandable, it's also really frustrated how much misplaced blame gets passed around.

You’re not intelligent, so this conversation is not for you.

Are you just not sure how to respond? Because I don't think what I said was all that confusing. I'll try rephrasing the question: What council policies would have prevented this person from carrying a gun into a hotel room?

How did he get there? Did he pay for his metro ride? Does the car he arrived in have up-to-date plates and no outstanding tickets? What previous charges against him were dropped?

How many broken windows were allowed to remain broken enabling this killer?

As mentioned earlier, they have had a major crackdown on Fare Evasion and have been making gun related arrests (and posting them on Twitter if you need to look!)
I don't have any idea about this persons transportation modality, but I don't know that there is a practical way, or what you would want the council to do, in order to stop someone from driving with outstanding tickets, or an out of state plate. As a bike commuter I would love to get these bad drivers off the road as well, but without reciprocity from MD/VA, there's not many options. I don't think taking away someones license would stop them from getting where they want to go.

Bowser should be pressed on reciprocity, by the public and the Council. I am not convinced that the Council wants enforcement, but it would certainly be a revenue booster and a boon to public safety. Maybe someone could start a petition on socials and get the Council to promote it. They love to bash Bowser, so should be all in. VA and MD expressed surprise it had not happened. Let's have that achieved in 2024.

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That kid had REPEATEDLY been reported missing by MPD, just like this shooter was reported missing. Just like So'Fine Charles, a 14 year old girl is reported missing so often from Forest Hills that her name is recognizable. Several girls have gone missing from Cleveland Park. Kids being gone is a sign of crisis, of effective interventions being URGENT with continued oversight of child and family. Instead so often when a kid is shot or killed or shoots, their name is familiar from having been missing so often. I wonder about the truancy being so high and not effectively addressed after covid. If Relisha Rudd were to go missing today, how long would it take to even be reported by the school?

The current fad in social work (and endorsed by our current AG) is for family unification at all costs. That means that at-risk children are subject to a revolving foster-care system with the continuous goal of reunifying those children with their families---even when those families have shown themselves time and time again as unfit to raise them.

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Anonymous wrote:Matt trying to seem plugged in on crime issue. Good work by MPD. Ball is in USAO's court now.

I only see an MPD announcement about the murder arrest. Where are the announcements about the other two crimes?

What are the chances that every single person who perpetuated these crimes would have been locked up had they lived in any other place than DC? I'm putting it at 75 percent.

This killer was completely comfortable carrying an illegal gun throughout DC knowing that he could drive crazy, jump the metro turnstile or do any number of other criminal acts without having a police confrontation that would lead to a gun charge. Now this young woman is dead.

I would guess that 95 percent of those committing violent and other serious crimes on Metro also evaded the fare. Enforcing fare evasion not only will recoup some $40 million in lost annual Metro revenue, it will also deter and stop other crimes in the Metro system.

I don't even know what you are talking about. First of all, they've been pretty openly making gun related arrests on metro. Secondly, I don't know how any policy the police have in place would have caught this person with a gun before the shooting. Some of you process trauma by blaming people and while its understandable, it's also really frustrated how much misplaced blame gets passed around.

You’re not intelligent, so this conversation is not for you.

Are you just not sure how to respond? Because I don't think what I said was all that confusing. I'll try rephrasing the question: What council policies would have prevented this person from carrying a gun into a hotel room?

Oh look Janeese Lewis George is here. Hey everyone it turns out that none of our elected leaders bear any responsibility for our out-of-control crime. Helpful reminder: There's only four big cities in this country (Memphis, Baltimore, New Orleans and Cleveland) with worse crime rates than DC.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/interactive/2024/dc-crime-homicide-victims-shooting-violence/

What council policies would have prevented this person from carrying a gun into a hotel room?

Allowing turnstile jumpers. Allowing fake dealer plates. Mandating cops not pursue suspects. Legalizing unlicensed sidewalk stores.

This all creates an atmosphere of lawlessness where criminals feel impervious to consequences.

Okay, so you're just throwing things at a wall and hoping something sticks in order to try and rationalize this very sad instance of an 18 year old losing their sh**t at a party and shooting another young person. Again, this was an incredibly sad situation, but the rush to blame our CMs whenever there is a shooting is so misplaced. The situation was awful. Guns allow people who are prone to violence and escalation to create tragedies. I really don't know what else there is to say about it.

The rush to blame is very well placed, actually. We are watching the broken windows theory being proven before our eyes. This Council has created an environment where public fencing of stolen goods is allowed. Public use of marijuana is not prosecuted. And violent criminals are released the next day. The Council has created an environment of shocking lawlessness to the point where no one is safe at any hour of the day. Professional athletes, members of congress, diplomats, or just regular folks. We’re all in danger.

Well said.

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And in danger in broad daylight, witnesses and even law enforcement nearby are no longer a deterrent. Even cooperative victims are being shot or stabbed and even witnesses have been shot at. A rifle sprays, doesn't take a marksman to be hit by a stray.

Metro is very unsafe now, it stems from changes made by DC Council, which WMATA, VA and MD advocated AGAINST. What was safe or made you safer in the 90s has also been lost.

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Anonymous wrote:Matt trying to seem plugged in on crime issue. Good work by MPD. Ball is in USAO's court now.

I only see an MPD announcement about the murder arrest. Where are the announcements about the other two crimes?

What are the chances that every single person who perpetuated these crimes would have been locked up had they lived in any other place than DC? I'm putting it at 75 percent.

This killer was completely comfortable carrying an illegal gun throughout DC knowing that he could drive crazy, jump the metro turnstile or do any number of other criminal acts without having a police confrontation that would lead to a gun charge. Now this young woman is dead.

I don't even know what you are talking about. First of all, they've been pretty openly making gun related arrests on metro. Secondly, I don't know how any policy the police have in place would have caught this person with a gun before the shooting. Some of you process trauma by blaming people and while its understandable, it's also really frustrated how much misplaced blame gets passed around.

You’re not intelligent, so this conversation is not for you.

Are you just not sure how to respond? Because I don't think what I said was all that confusing. I'll try rephrasing the question: What council policies would have prevented this person from carrying a gun into a hotel room?

Oh look Janeese Lewis George is here. Hey everyone it turns out that none of our elected leaders bear any responsibility for our out-of-control crime. Helpful reminder: There's only four big cities in this country (Memphis, Baltimore, New Orleans and Cleveland) with worse crime rates than DC.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/interactive/2024/dc-crime-homicide-victims-shooting-violence/

What council policies would have prevented this person from carrying a gun into a hotel room?

Allowing turnstile jumpers. Allowing fake dealer plates. Mandating cops not pursue suspects. Legalizing unlicensed sidewalk stores.

This all creates an atmosphere of lawlessness where criminals feel impervious to consequences.

Okay, so you're just throwing things at a wall and hoping something sticks in order to try and rationalize this very sad instance of an 18 year old losing their sh**t at a party and shooting another young person. Again, this was an incredibly sad situation, but the rush to blame our CMs whenever there is a shooting is so misplaced. The situation was awful. Guns allow people who are prone to violence and escalation to create tragedies. I really don't know what else there is to say about it.

The rush to blame is very well placed, actually. We are watching the broken windows theory being proven before our eyes. This Council has created an environment where public fencing of stolen goods is allowed. Public use of marijuana is not prosecuted. And violent criminals are released the next day. The Council has created an environment of shocking lawlessness to the point where no one is safe at any hour of the day. Professional athletes, members of congress, diplomats, or just regular folks. We’re all in danger.

Well said.

+1,000

And in danger in broad daylight, witnesses and even law enforcement nearby are no longer a deterrent. Even cooperative victims are being shot or stabbed and even witnesses have been shot at. A rifle sprays, doesn't take a marksman to be hit by a stray.

Metro is very unsafe now, it stems from changes made by DC Council, which WMATA, VA and MD advocated AGAINST. What was safe or made you safer in the 90s has also been lost.

The DC Council needs to reverse its current stance and law and re-criminalize Metro fare evasion. I'd bet that 95 percent of violent and other serious crimes on Metro are committed by people who evaded paying their fares. Fare enforcement not only will help to fill a current $40 annual revenue shortfall from fare evasion, it will have a very noticeable impact on other crimes in the Metro system. Enough is enough!

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Anonymous wrote:I will preface this by saying I am a former prosecutor. Even if we increase law enforcement, what do we about a generation of teens and young adults who feel like they have nothing to lose? Until we address that issue, nothing will change. We can jail all of the people who commit crimes in DC but there is another batch coming right behind them that are poor, uneducated or undereducated, have no life skills, received limited parenting and can’t get a job that will allow them to live in a SAFE neighborhood with adequate resources (food, transportation, clothing, etc.). If even educated people making $60/70k are barely making it in DC and these people don’t make even a fraction of that and know that there is literally no way out of the poverty cycle they are in unless they become an athlete, what do we do? They literally have nothing to lose.

Jail or the hug a thug programs provide food and shelter. On the street, they have neither. Having gone out into the community to meet with crime victims, I can say I’ve seen so many hopeless people in living situations that make jail seem like the Four Seasons (infested with roaches and rodents, overcrowded with unemployed and unemployable people,
etc.). Truly depressing situations that made me so grateful for my life. I don’t have the answer to this question but would be curious about your responses.

These are not new issues. They were debated when Lyndon Johnson was president. We don't have to solve all the world's problems or end poverty before we're allowed to prosecute murderers.

You are responding to me. Then
you will continue to have murderers. 🤷🏻‍♀️

You know what is a proven way to reduce murders?

Put them in jail. Turns out it’s a lot harder to murder people when you’re locked up.

That in turn has an outsized impact on crime rates because most violent crimes are committed by a small number of recidivists.

Exactly. Something like 90% of the repeat violent crime is committed by 1% of the population. For people who want to say it's about race - it isn't. Compare the 1% of the DC population that are violent criminals to the fact that 45% of DC is black. Clearly those numbers show that an overwhelming majority of blacks are not criminals. Nor are most other people in DC. Again, we are just talking about the 1% who are, not some sweeping generalities about race.

And for people who want to say "but jailing them doesn't rehabilitate them" - maybe not, but that's an issue to figure out separately. If you care about rehabilitating them, then figure out how to rehabilitate them while they are in a place where they can't continue to do harm to innocents. But if they are on the streets unrehabilitated, they will continue to commit violent crime - so until they can be rehabilitated, they need to be removed from society to keep society safe.

And for people who say "we don't have enough room/resources to lock them up" - we should instead prioritize release of lesser and non-violent offenders and should put prisoners to work to pay their own keep. That will help rehabilitate them by giving them job skills and work ethic for an honest and legitimate life after release. And for the people who say "but it's cruel and unusual to put them to work" - bullshit. If it isn't cruel and unusual to expect the rest of us to work and pay our rents and bills and put food on the table then it isn't cruel for them to do the same.

This. Why aren't DC prisoners out picking up trash along DC roadways or doing other manual labor? All except for the most violent should be working, whether in jailhouse workshops or on guarded day labor forces.

[Anonymous]

Man attacked by teens walking home from grocery store in Cathedral Heights, near Swiss Embassy, early Tuesday evening. 3600 Wisconsin Ave. NW

https://www.reddit.com/r/washdc/comments/18yn6e1/man_assaulted_by_group_of_teens_while_walking/

No idea of the man's age but there are a lot of older folks in that area who moved there for walkability. Used to be very safe. Vouchers are a big problem on Wisconsin, not just Connecticut.

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Anonymous wrote:our elected leaders get more pissed off about legislation to crack down on crime than they do actual crime. shows you what they really think.

True. 274 murders this year in D.C. Only one outraged Frumin enough that he tweeted about it - the car thief that was shot by a resident when he and a group of others got into a confrontation with the resident while stealing cars at 4 am:

https://twitter.com/CMFrumin/status/1612821886580449281

Not the child murdered in her car with her family on mothers day. Not the hard working kid sensely murdered walking to his job. Not the woman stabbed to death by a violent felon that a judge said was too dangerous to release, but got released anyway. Not the hard working construction worker who was murdered walking to work in the morning. People should ask Frumin why a resident shooting a car thief is the only murder out of the hundreds that bothered them and that they called for action on.

Also, people joke about pickleball, but it’s true. Looking at his budget requests, he brags about asking for 5 new pickleball courts, but didn’t bother trying to get anything to combat crime:

https://twitter.com/CMFrumin/status/1626257299797946368

Frumin has this weird racism fetish. He keeps telling this decades old story about a colleague who could not buy a house in AU Park because he was black. It’s very Biden like and it’s hard not to ask if it’s even true or even happened. Hopefully his new found interest in crime is sincere, because 2024 is off to a really bad start.

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Anonymous wrote:our elected leaders get more pissed off about legislation to crack down on crime than they do actual crime. shows you what they really think.

True. 274 murders this year in D.C. Only one outraged Frumin enough that he tweeted about it - the car thief that was shot by a resident when he and a group of others got into a confrontation with the resident while stealing cars at 4 am:

https://twitter.com/CMFrumin/status/1612821886580449281

Not the child murdered in her car with her family on mothers day. Not the hard working kid sensely murdered walking to his job. Not the woman stabbed to death by a violent felon that a judge said was too dangerous to release, but got released anyway. Not the hard working construction worker who was murdered walking to work in the morning. People should ask Frumin why a resident shooting a car thief is the only murder out of the hundreds that bothered them and that they called for action on.

Also, people joke about pickleball, but it’s true. Looking at his budget requests, he brags about asking for 5 new pickleball courts, but didn’t bother trying to get anything to combat crime:

https://twitter.com/CMFrumin/status/1626257299797946368

Frumin has this weird racism fetish. He keeps telling this decades old story about a colleague who could not buy a house in AU Park because he was black. It’s very Biden like and it’s hard not to ask if it’s even true or even happened. Hopefully his new found interest in crime is sincere, because 2024 is off to a really bad start.

Wow, quackery. And I've noticed in community talks that the people he hires seem to be stuck in a "but we need to be more understanding, give more services, get to the root problem" kind of groove. Yes, and? It's really annoying when they drift into this kind of talk. Not the right time or place. Offer some practical measures for right now.

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Anonymous wrote:Matt trying to seem plugged in on crime issue. Good work by MPD. Ball is in USAO's court now.

I only see an MPD announcement about the murder arrest. Where are the announcements about the other two crimes?

What are the chances that every single person who perpetuated these crimes would have been locked up had they lived in any other place than DC? I'm putting it at 75 percent.

This killer was completely comfortable carrying an illegal gun throughout DC knowing that he could drive crazy, jump the metro turnstile or do any number of other criminal acts without having a police confrontation that would lead to a gun charge. Now this young woman is dead.

I don't even know what you are talking about. First of all, they've been pretty openly making gun related arrests on metro. Secondly, I don't know how any policy the police have in place would have caught this person with a gun before the shooting. Some of you process trauma by blaming people and while its understandable, it's also really frustrated how much misplaced blame gets passed around.

You’re not intelligent, so this conversation is not for you.

Are you just not sure how to respond? Because I don't think what I said was all that confusing. I'll try rephrasing the question: What council policies would have prevented this person from carrying a gun into a hotel room?

Oh look Janeese Lewis George is here. Hey everyone it turns out that none of our elected leaders bear any responsibility for our out-of-control crime. Helpful reminder: There's only four big cities in this country (Memphis, Baltimore, New Orleans and Cleveland) with worse crime rates than DC.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/interactive/2024/dc-crime-homicide-victims-shooting-violence/

All of these cities are really poor -- except for one.

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Anonymous wrote:Frumin has this weird racism fetish. He keeps telling this decades old story about a colleague who could not buy a house in AU Park because he was black.

It’s important to remember that in Frumin’s story, it’s not that his black friend couldn’t buy a house in AU Park, it’s that his black friend didn’t want to. Then Frumin speculated that it was because his friend didn’t want to be around so many white people:

“I said, ‘Come look at this place; it’s really great.’ But he never did, never said why, and it puzzled me,” Frumin recalled. Years later, he came across an article about the ordeal of “buying a home while Black,” in which the writer was reluctant to live in a neighborhood where few people looked like him and his children.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2023/01/31/making-dcs-ward-3-an-example-all-land/

It’s just a weird story, weird speculation, and it’s weird that Ward 3 voted in someone like this. But Frumin’s kind of a weird guy in general, he was still doing social distancing as a councilmember in 2023, having ANC members stand in his front lawn during the winter to do their swearing in:

https://twitter.com/CMFrumin/status/1612146690563215362

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The head of 911 has been added to the panel and there is a Zoom link

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Anonymous wrote:Matt trying to seem plugged in on crime issue. Good work by MPD. Ball is in USAO's court now.

I only see an MPD announcement about the murder arrest. Where are the announcements about the other two crimes?

What are the chances that every single person who perpetuated these crimes would have been locked up had they lived in any other place than DC? I'm putting it at 75 percent.

This killer was completely comfortable carrying an illegal gun throughout DC knowing that he could drive crazy, jump the metro turnstile or do any number of other criminal acts without having a police confrontation that would lead to a gun charge. Now this young woman is dead.

I don't even know what you are talking about. First of all, they've been pretty openly making gun related arrests on metro. Secondly, I don't know how any policy the police have in place would have caught this person with a gun before the shooting. Some of you process trauma by blaming people and while its understandable, it's also really frustrated how much misplaced blame gets passed around.

You’re not intelligent, so this conversation is not for you.

Are you just not sure how to respond? Because I don't think what I said was all that confusing. I'll try rephrasing the question: What council policies would have prevented this person from carrying a gun into a hotel room?

Oh look Janeese Lewis George is here. Hey everyone it turns out that none of our elected leaders bear any responsibility for our out-of-control crime. Helpful reminder: There's only four big cities in this country (Memphis, Baltimore, New Orleans and Cleveland) with worse crime rates than DC.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/interactive/2024/dc-crime-homicide-victims-shooting-violence/

All of these cities are really poor -- except for one.

Baltimore is making tremendous strides and had lower homicides than DC.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/baltimore-city-marks-historic-drop-in-homicides-for-2023/vi-AA1mdDLw

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Frumin has this weird racism fetish. He keeps telling this decades old story about a colleague who could not buy a house in AU Park because he was black.


It’s important to remember that in Frumin’s story, it’s not that his black friend couldn’t buy a house in AU Park, it’s that his black friend didn’t want to. Then Frumin speculated that it was because his friend didn’t want to be around so many white people:

“I said, ‘Come look at this place; it’s really great.’ But he never did, never said why, and it puzzled me,” Frumin recalled. Years later, he came across an article about the ordeal of “buying a home while Black,” in which the writer was reluctant to live in a neighborhood where few people looked like him and his children.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2023/...an-example-all-land/

It’s just a weird story, weird speculation, and it’s weird that Ward 3 voted in someone like this. But Frumin’s kind of a weird guy in general, he was still doing social distancing as a councilmember in 2023, having ANC members stand in his front lawn during the winter to do their swearing in:

https://twitter.com/CMFrumin/status/1612146690563215362

Have heard Frumin tell this story too. Then laughed about it with an AA colleague who grew up in Ward 8. While white lawyers are more than willing to pay $1M to live in a tiny brick rowhouse in Glover Park, that is NOT the definition of success to a lot of AA professionals who grew up in very similar aged rowhouses scattered across the District. To them success is 5000 brand new square feet of SFH built by Toll Bros. in Upper Marlboro. Like my elderly mom in Georgia, who grew up in old houses with hardwood and radiators. She has been perpetually baffled by my love for old houses---to her the definition of upward mobility was being able to have central heat and wall to wall carpet.

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Anonymous wrote:The head of 911 has been added to the panel and there is a Zoom link

A separate meeting with each of them is a good idea. One meeting with all of them is a cluster. This is Frumin’s way of filibustering so he doesn’t have to take a lot of questions. He’s going to look at his watch at 7:30pm and say “we only have the room for a few more minutes because the parcheesi club has it at 8pm. Wish we had more time.” Then he’s going to sneak away to his car he has hidden around the block away from the judgmental socialist ANC Commissioners waiting to flip him off.