America was founded on religious freedom; why do atheists want to ban organized religion?

[Anonymous]

Also- some of the tribes sacrificed a significant percentage of their own people to please/appease their gods.

Yes, their own people.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m not an atheist. I am extremely concerned that many people now believe that their own freedom of religion can be used politically and legally to limit the freedoms of those of us who do not share their particular brand of religious beliefs. This is both dangerous and contrary to the freedoms that the founders of this country intended. Many religious beliefs and behaviors are indeed evil — and parts of this country are rapidly becoming, as you put it, terrible places to live for many of us.

Your appeals to “our” forefathers don’t move me very much. The ideals that this country was founded upon are extremely important. As a Black female, though, I get that my freedom and Liberty and that of most of MY forefathers — on any level, from physical to religious— wasn’t on their list of priorities. Evil is still evil — no matter how many flags you wave or Bibles you clutch.

What parts of the country are becoming terrible places to live because of religion?

What do you think of the pervasiveness of predominantly female and child slavery in non- christian countries?

Are you concerned for the women and children worldwide who will live short miserable lives as slaves while you have complete freedom in America and complain about Christianity?

Would you trade places with them to live a life free from Christianity?

https://states.guttmacher.org/policies/?gad_source=1&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIxcD2uNf_ggMVh4JaBR1Y3gDUEAAYASAAEgKcQPD_BwE

States decide their own stances on abortion, and have done so legislatively and through elections.

You don’t agree that each state should be allowed to do that? Why do you think your opinion about abortion is more important than the right of states to have free elections and states to make their own decisions and laws about any issue?

61 percent of Americans agree with abortion https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/fact-sheet/public-opinion-on-abortion/.

Places like Texas are going against the will of the people. As are most states that are trying to ban it. That’s why you are seeing Rs lose because of their stance on abortion. Where were you during mid terms and again during the most recent elections in Virginia when the House flipped. That is all because Rs are overstepping, trying to impose their religious views on others.

[Anonymous]

Please stop with these hypotheticals about atheists. I don’t want to ban any religion. Let it go.

[Anonymous]

Lol @ christian colonizers saving the indigenous
Do you really believe this stuff?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Please stop with these hypotheticals about atheists. I don’t want to ban any religion. Let it go.

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Lol @ christian colonizers saving the indigenous
Do you really believe this stuff?

You don’t like the facts. What you have learned (if anything) has been manipulated and sanitized for various reasons.

The world our ancestors lived in was harsh, inhumane, and dangerous beyond our nightmares. We are beyond lucky to live where we live and during the period of time we live.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The world our ancestors lived in was harsh, inhumane, and dangerous beyond our nightmares.

And who gave them that world?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The world our ancestors lived in was harsh, inhumane, and dangerous beyond our nightmares.

And who gave them that world?

You are ok with Native Americans genociding other NA tribes and taking other Native Americans as slaves. It’s wrong no matter who does it. You just want to pretend all NA were smoking peace pipes and hanging out in nature communing with forest creatures like a Disney princess.

Actually go for it- let’s make federal government give back all the land to it’s original owners.

Who knows who the original owners are; lots of people will claim to be descendants of those people.

The federal government can spend billions and billions and trillions of taxpayer dollars figuring out who were the original owners, because the Native American tribes living on the land when Europeans arrived are not the original inhabitants.

Then everyone in America can give up their homes and businesses and close down all the hospitals and malls and restaurants and military posts and manufacturing facilities. We will have to give all that land back to the “original owners,” who I can guarantee you, no matter who were, were engaged in brutally subjugating anyone who got in their way and prevented them from surviving; kept slaves, etc.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The world our ancestors lived in was harsh, inhumane, and dangerous beyond our nightmares.

And who gave them that world?

You are ok with Native Americans genociding other NA tribes and taking other Native Americans as slaves. It’s wrong no matter who does it. You just want to pretend all NA were smoking peace pipes and hanging out in nature communing with forest creatures like a Disney princess.

Actually go for it- let’s make federal government give back all the land to it’s original owners.

Who knows who the original owners are; lots of people will claim to be descendants of those people.

The federal government can spend billions and billions and trillions of taxpayer dollars figuring out who were the original owners, because the Native American tribes living on the land when Europeans arrived are not the original inhabitants.

Then everyone in America can give up their homes and businesses and close down all the hospitals and malls and restaurants and military posts and manufacturing facilities. We will have to give all that land back to the “original owners,” who I can guarantee you, no matter who were, were engaged in brutally subjugating anyone who got in their way and prevented them from surviving; kept slaves, etc.

Why are you setting up arguments that nobody even made?

The assertion was that this is a christian nation. There was another assertion that Christians ended slavery and generally made this land better.

The response was that founders, largely engaged in genocide.

Which is true. Whether other people were doing it as well is beside the point. And nobody even mentioned anything else you are arguing with yourself about.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The world our ancestors lived in was harsh, inhumane, and dangerous beyond our nightmares.

And who gave them that world?

You are ok with Native Americans genociding other NA tribes and taking other Native Americans as slaves. It’s wrong no matter who does it. You just want to pretend all NA were smoking peace pipes and hanging out in nature communing with forest creatures like a Disney princess.

Actually go for it- let’s make federal government give back all the land to it’s original owners.

Who knows who the original owners are; lots of people will claim to be descendants of those people.

The federal government can spend billions and billions and trillions of taxpayer dollars figuring out who were the original owners, because the Native American tribes living on the land when Europeans arrived are not the original inhabitants.

Then everyone in America can give up their homes and businesses and close down all the hospitals and malls and restaurants and military posts and manufacturing facilities. We will have to give all that land back to the “original owners,” who I can guarantee you, no matter who were, were engaged in brutally subjugating anyone who got in their way and prevented them from surviving; kept slaves, etc.

Why are you setting up arguments that nobody even made?

The assertion was that this is a christian nation. There was another assertion that Christians ended slavery and generally made this land better.

The response was that founders, largely engaged in genocide.

Which is true. Whether other people were doing it as well is beside the point. And nobody even mentioned anything else you are arguing with yourself about.

Yes, talking about genocide and slavery perpetrated by anyone other than white Americans is forbidden.

Meanwhile Communism happily genociding their own people (we don’t count that because of the connection with state mandated atheism) and Native American tribes genociding each other and keeping their captives as slaves and the tribes in Mexico, CA, SA, Hawaii, sacrificing their own people etc we have to ignore.

We should give back our entire country to the descendants of the ancient people who lived here (way before the Natives Americans we pretend “own” the land) and follow whatever religion they followed. If it involves human sacrifice, even of our own people, that’s just fine. We definitely don’t want to live in the country created by our FF, those white christian bigots. We will live in the world of paleo-indians. In the ancient Americas, cultures saw human sacrifice as a necessary part of everyday life. It was practiced to appease the gods or ensure success in battle and agriculture.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The world our ancestors lived in was harsh, inhumane, and dangerous beyond our nightmares.

And who gave them that world?

You are ok with Native Americans genociding other NA tribes and taking other Native Americans as slaves. It’s wrong no matter who does it. You just want to pretend all NA were smoking peace pipes and hanging out in nature communing with forest creatures like a Disney princess.

Actually go for it- let’s make federal government give back all the land to it’s original owners.

Who knows who the original owners are; lots of people will claim to be descendants of those people.

The federal government can spend billions and billions and trillions of taxpayer dollars figuring out who were the original owners, because the Native American tribes living on the land when Europeans arrived are not the original inhabitants.

Then everyone in America can give up their homes and businesses and close down all the hospitals and malls and restaurants and military posts and manufacturing facilities. We will have to give all that land back to the “original owners,” who I can guarantee you, no matter who were, were engaged in brutally subjugating anyone who got in their way and prevented them from surviving; kept slaves, etc.

Why are you setting up arguments that nobody even made?

The assertion was that this is a christian nation. There was another assertion that Christians ended slavery and generally made this land better.

The response was that founders, largely engaged in genocide.

Which is true. Whether other people were doing it as well is beside the point. And nobody even mentioned anything else you are arguing with yourself about.

Yes, talking about genocide and slavery perpetrated by anyone other than white Americans is forbidden.

Meanwhile Communism happily genociding their own people (we don’t count that because of the connection with state mandated atheism) and Native American tribes genociding each other and keeping their captives as slaves and the tribes in Mexico, CA, SA, Hawaii, sacrificing their own people etc we have to ignore.

We should give back our entire country to the descendants of the ancient people who lived here (way before the Natives Americans we pretend “own” the land) and follow whatever religion they followed. If it involves human sacrifice, even of our own people, that’s just fine. We definitely don’t want to live in the country created by our FF, those white christian bigots. We will live in the world of paleo-indians. In the ancient Americas, cultures saw human sacrifice as a necessary part of everyday life. It was practiced to appease the gods or ensure success in battle and agriculture.

So ou're just going to continue arguing with yourself?

[Anonymous]

Slavery is bad by anyone who does it, whether or not they follow the biblical rules of slavery to a tee.

Can we end this part now? Can you stop making strawman arguments? No one says slavery was OK by anybody.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The world our ancestors lived in was harsh, inhumane, and dangerous beyond our nightmares.

And who gave them that world?

You are ok with Native Americans genociding other NA tribes and taking other Native Americans as slaves. It’s wrong no matter who does it. You just want to pretend all NA were smoking peace pipes and hanging out in nature communing with forest creatures like a Disney princess.

Actually go for it- let’s make federal government give back all the land to it’s original owners.

Who knows who the original owners are; lots of people will claim to be descendants of those people.

The federal government can spend billions and billions and trillions of taxpayer dollars figuring out who were the original owners, because the Native American tribes living on the land when Europeans arrived are not the original inhabitants.

Then everyone in America can give up their homes and businesses and close down all the hospitals and malls and restaurants and military posts and manufacturing facilities. We will have to give all that land back to the “original owners,” who I can guarantee you, no matter who were, were engaged in brutally subjugating anyone who got in their way and prevented them from surviving; kept slaves, etc.

Why are you setting up arguments that nobody even made?

The assertion was that this is a christian nation. There was another assertion that Christians ended slavery and generally made this land better.

The response was that founders, largely engaged in genocide.

Which is true. Whether other people were doing it as well is beside the point. And nobody even mentioned anything else you are arguing with yourself about.

Yes, talking about genocide and slavery perpetrated by anyone other than white Americans is forbidden.

Meanwhile Communism happily genociding their own people (we don’t count that because of the connection with state mandated atheism) and Native American tribes genociding each other and keeping their captives as slaves and the tribes in Mexico, CA, SA, Hawaii, sacrificing their own people etc we have to ignore.

We should give back our entire country to the descendants of the ancient people who lived here (way before the Natives Americans we pretend “own” the land) and follow whatever religion they followed. If it involves human sacrifice, even of our own people, that’s just fine. We definitely don’t want to live in the country created by our FF, those white christian bigots. We will live in the world of paleo-indians. In the ancient Americas, cultures saw human sacrifice as a necessary part of everyday life. It was practiced to appease the gods or ensure success in battle and agriculture.

So ou're just going to continue arguing with yourself?

evil white christian founding fathers stole America.

We don’t need to live on their stolen land within their fake religion. (Christianity)

We need to return the land and live as the true owners of America see fit. If we end up as slaves and have to sacrifice each other for good harvests and victory in war, that’s how it should be.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The world our ancestors lived in was harsh, inhumane, and dangerous beyond our nightmares.

And who gave them that world?

You are ok with Native Americans genociding other NA tribes and taking other Native Americans as slaves. It’s wrong no matter who does it. You just want to pretend all NA were smoking peace pipes and hanging out in nature communing with forest creatures like a Disney princess.

Actually go for it- let’s make federal government give back all the land to it’s original owners.

Who knows who the original owners are; lots of people will claim to be descendants of those people.

The federal government can spend billions and billions and trillions of taxpayer dollars figuring out who were the original owners, because the Native American tribes living on the land when Europeans arrived are not the original inhabitants.

Then everyone in America can give up their homes and businesses and close down all the hospitals and malls and restaurants and military posts and manufacturing facilities. We will have to give all that land back to the “original owners,” who I can guarantee you, no matter who were, were engaged in brutally subjugating anyone who got in their way and prevented them from surviving; kept slaves, etc.

Why are you setting up arguments that nobody even made?

The assertion was that this is a christian nation. There was another assertion that Christians ended slavery and generally made this land better.

The response was that founders, largely engaged in genocide.

Which is true. Whether other people were doing it as well is beside the point. And nobody even mentioned anything else you are arguing with yourself about.

Yes, talking about genocide and slavery perpetrated by anyone other than white Americans is forbidden.

Meanwhile Communism happily genociding their own people (we don’t count that because of the connection with state mandated atheism) and Native American tribes genociding each other and keeping their captives as slaves and the tribes in Mexico, CA, SA, Hawaii, sacrificing their own people etc we have to ignore.

We should give back our entire country to the descendants of the ancient people who lived here (way before the Natives Americans we pretend “own” the land) and follow whatever religion they followed. If it involves human sacrifice, even of our own people, that’s just fine. We definitely don’t want to live in the country created by our FF, those white christian bigots. We will live in the world of paleo-indians. In the ancient Americas, cultures saw human sacrifice as a necessary part of everyday life. It was practiced to appease the gods or ensure success in battle and agriculture.

So ou're just going to continue arguing with yourself?

evil white christian founding fathers stole America.

We don’t need to live on their stolen land within their fake religion. (Christianity)

We need to return the land and live as the true owners of America see fit. If we end up as slaves and have to sacrifice each other for good harvests and victory in war, that’s how it should be.

OK, so I guess you are going to keep arguing with yourself about an issue that is not the subject of this thread. Have fun!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The world our ancestors lived in was harsh, inhumane, and dangerous beyond our nightmares.

And who gave them that world?

You are ok with Native Americans genociding other NA tribes and taking other Native Americans as slaves. It’s wrong no matter who does it. You just want to pretend all NA were smoking peace pipes and hanging out in nature communing with forest creatures like a Disney princess.

Actually go for it- let’s make federal government give back all the land to it’s original owners.

Who knows who the original owners are; lots of people will claim to be descendants of those people.

The federal government can spend billions and billions and trillions of taxpayer dollars figuring out who were the original owners, because the Native American tribes living on the land when Europeans arrived are not the original inhabitants.

Then everyone in America can give up their homes and businesses and close down all the hospitals and malls and restaurants and military posts and manufacturing facilities. We will have to give all that land back to the “original owners,” who I can guarantee you, no matter who were, were engaged in brutally subjugating anyone who got in their way and prevented them from surviving; kept slaves, etc.

Why are you setting up arguments that nobody even made?

The assertion was that this is a christian nation. There was another assertion that Christians ended slavery and generally made this land better.

The response was that founders, largely engaged in genocide.

Which is true. Whether other people were doing it as well is beside the point. And nobody even mentioned anything else you are arguing with yourself about.

Yes, talking about genocide and slavery perpetrated by anyone other than white Americans is forbidden.

Meanwhile Communism happily genociding their own people (we don’t count that because of the connection with state mandated atheism) and Native American tribes genociding each other and keeping their captives as slaves and the tribes in Mexico, CA, SA, Hawaii, sacrificing their own people etc we have to ignore.

We should give back our entire country to the descendants of the ancient people who lived here (way before the Natives Americans we pretend “own” the land) and follow whatever religion they followed. If it involves human sacrifice, even of our own people, that’s just fine. We definitely don’t want to live in the country created by our FF, those white christian bigots. We will live in the world of paleo-indians. In the ancient Americas, cultures saw human sacrifice as a necessary part of everyday life. It was practiced to appease the gods or ensure success in battle and agriculture.

So ou're just going to continue arguing with yourself?

Hopefully it will now be contained to this thread, rather than taking over other threads and getting them locked.