The PD video teachers must watch on Monday

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I work with special ed kids, and I see them marginalized all the time. This PD actually speaks to it in reasonable ways.

I'm sorry it's threatening or triggering to so many of you.

My child, with autism, did not make it in a Montessori classroom. There was not enough structure for him. The classrooms right now are chaotic and not good environments for many with special needs, including DS.

This woman wants less structure and that does not work for all of your SN children even if you think it does.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I work with special ed kids, and I see them marginalized all the time. This PD actually speaks to it in reasonable ways.

I'm sorry it's threatening or triggering to so many of you.

I teach special Ed children. I actually find this insulting to them, as well.

We really expect nothing from them? We assume they can’t be held accountable?

That’s sick and crippling.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I work with special ed kids, and I see them marginalized all the time. This PD actually speaks to it in reasonable ways.

I'm sorry it's threatening or triggering to so many of you.

I teach special Ed children. I actually find this insulting to them, as well.

We really expect nothing from them? We assume they can’t be held accountable?

That’s sick and crippling.

Special Ed serves kids who are sick and crippled.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It just occurred to me that maybe some of the people making these videos are not even teachers or parents themselves. They have no recent experience managing students in the world of screen addiction, modern parenting, and dis regulation.

My favorite question to ask in any PD meeting is "how does this really look in practice? "

Once I gave an example of a time that I did exactly what they were saying, and the outcome was problematic. I asked what I could have done differently or how we should proceed if xyz happens. Presenter froze, got visibly upset, and someone else took over and changed the subject. They're not trained to go off script.

No good idea survives institutional bureaucratization.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It just occurred to me that maybe some of the people making these videos are not even teachers or parents themselves. They have no recent experience managing students in the world of screen addiction, modern parenting, and dis regulation.

My favorite question to ask in any PD meeting is "how does this really look in practice? "

Once I gave an example of a time that I did exactly what they were saying, and the outcome was problematic. I asked what I could have done differently or how we should proceed if xyz happens. Presenter froze, got visibly upset, and someone else took over and changed the subject. They're not trained to go off script.

The presenter needs this training on how to handle a troublemaker.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I work with special ed kids, and I see them marginalized all the time. This PD actually speaks to it in reasonable ways.

I'm sorry it's threatening or triggering to so many of you.

My child, with autism, did not make it in a Montessori classroom. There was not enough structure for him. The classrooms right now are chaotic and not good environments for many with special needs, including DS.

This woman wants less structure and that does not work for all of your SN children even if you think it does.

She didn't say less structure. She said less punishment. There's a difference.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I work with special ed kids, and I see them marginalized all the time. This PD actually speaks to it in reasonable ways.

I'm sorry it's threatening or triggering to so many of you.

I teach special Ed children. I actually find this insulting to them, as well.

We really expect nothing from them? We assume they can’t be held accountable?

That’s sick and crippling.

Special Ed serves kids who are sick and crippled.

Are you the pro-speaker PP? If so, know that I don’t view my special Ed students as “sick and crippled.”

[Anonymous]

I cannot believe I actually took 20 minutes out of my life to watch this train wreck. Holy Molu. Teachers I feel for you.

If I was expected to sit through an hour of perky “Carla” condescending to me like she does in this video, I swear I would get up and walk out of the room.

And no, sweetheart, the definition of “freedom” is not keeping people and their feelings “safe.”

Where in the hell do they find these people?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I cannot believe I actually took 20 minutes out of my life to watch this train wreck. Holy Molu. Teachers I feel for you.

If I was expected to sit through an hour of perky “Carla” condescending to me like she does in this video, I swear I would get up and walk out of the room.

And no, sweetheart, the definition of “freedom” is not keeping people and their feelings “safe.”

Where in the hell do they find these people?

Here in Montgomery County!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I work with special ed kids, and I see them marginalized all the time. This PD actually speaks to it in reasonable ways.

I'm sorry it's threatening or triggering to so many of you.

This is patronizing, condescending, dismissive response to the real problems people have with messages and “trainings” like this. It improves nothing about the situation and just attempts to establish you as superior and anyone who disagrees, to be wrong and evil.

In short, you’re as bad as those of us you are attempting to criticize.

[Anonymous]

MCPS already follows this plan. There are no major consequences allowed at the elementary level. Teachers are expected to allow kids to destroy classrooms, cuss them out, rip up other kid’s work, do nothing in class, etc…

I actually think this PD is supposed to explain McKnight’s reasoning- to show teachers that she’s not the only quack.

The big problem is that we are already using this strategy and schools are a cluster f***. But as both the presenter and central office loons are not in the classroom, they can continue to pat each other on the back and pretend this works in the real world.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:MCPS already follows this plan. There are no major consequences allowed at the elementary level. Teachers are expected to allow kids to destroy classrooms, cuss them out, rip up other kid’s work, do nothing in class, etc…

I actually think this PD is supposed to explain McKnight’s reasoning- to show teachers that she’s not the only quack.

The big problem is that we are already using this strategy and schools are a cluster f***. But as both the presenter and central office loons are not in the classroom, they can continue to pat each other on the back and pretend this works in the real world.

Yes! School-based staff are pretty much ignored when we bring up the lack of consequences in elementary school. I'm an administrator and at our cluster meetings we bring up these issues and our director just nods their head in an attempt to show understanding but nothing changes. I currently have about three students who consistently disrupt the learning environment multiple times a day. Our core team has been in these students' classrooms multiple times daily for the last month to help the teacher manage the behaviors to no avail. We respond, attempt to problem-solve, call home, and the parents refuse to meet us halfway in doing a FBA or BIP. We're in a viscous cycle of students disrupting the classroom and learning that nothing is going to happen. I understand that trauma can play a huge role in behaviors but with the lack of clear boundaries, we're removing the guard rails from the bridge.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I work with special ed kids, and I see them marginalized all the time. This PD actually speaks to it in reasonable ways.

I'm sorry it's threatening or triggering to so many of you.

I have a special Ed kid and I agree in general that discipline should not be the goal especially at lower grades but this woman is condescending and doesn’t give any real concrete tools. I feel like a better approach would be a short course in the Ross Greene research along with an acknowledgement that it’s really difficult to implement in a public school Gen Ed setting and then letting senior teachers from the school share tips of what has actually worked for them. The successful teachers have much much better tools than this woman’s thereotetical goobblydygook.

[Anonymous]

I also think the combination of no discipline plus parental veto power over FBAs or special placements is a disastrous combo. If you don’t let schools discipline OR provide appropriate services, what do you expect? I think it would take a state law change to be able to implement services over a parental veto though, right?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:MCPS already follows this plan. There are no major consequences allowed at the elementary level. Teachers are expected to allow kids to destroy classrooms, cuss them out, rip up other kid’s work, do nothing in class, etc…

I actually think this PD is supposed to explain McKnight’s reasoning- to show teachers that she’s not the only quack.

The big problem is that we are already using this strategy and schools are a cluster f***. But as both the presenter and central office loons are not in the classroom, they can continue to pat each other on the back and pretend this works in the real world.

Yes! School-based staff are pretty much ignored when we bring up the lack of consequences in elementary school. I'm an administrator and at our cluster meetings we bring up these issues and our director just nods their head in an attempt to show understanding but nothing changes. I currently have about three students who consistently disrupt the learning environment multiple times a day. Our core team has been in these students' classrooms multiple times daily for the last month to help the teacher manage the behaviors to no avail. We respond, attempt to problem-solve, call home, and the parents refuse to meet us halfway in doing a FBA or BIP. We're in a viscous cycle of students disrupting the classroom and learning that nothing is going to happen. I understand that trauma can play a huge role in behaviors but with the lack of clear boundaries, we're removing the guard rails from the bridge.

This is not ok. How parents help you to communicate to CO that as parents, we care about consequences and want behavior to be managed. We do not subscribe to the idea that all punishment is bad. Punishment is a way to teach kids about natural consequences.