Disruptive student in class

Anonymous

So let me tell you what you do.

You can't do anything if this kid hits someone who is not your child.

But the second this child hits your kid, and your kid reports it to you after school, YOU CALL 911 to report an assault.

I've been in MCPS for years, and have followed all the major assault cases (mostly in high schools). Families who relied on the school found that evidence was destroyed, witnesses were tampered with and justice was delayed. It's not that school employees want to hurt victims. It's that MCPS regulations are not built for assault cases. Families who called 911 and reported an assault to police immediately made the system work for them. Bypass MCPS completely. They will be forced to comply with the law.
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Anonymous wrote:Every kid who disrupts class should be moved into online-only classes and stay home


You are a horrible human being. A young child that is unable to control their impulses and has behavior issues has a disability. They are not behaving poorly on purpose. Luckily children with disabilities have a right to the same public education as their non disabled peers. The solution is not to punish the child or remove the child from society; the solution is to provide the necessary support and medical assistance that the child requires.


You are a horrible human being for forcing the child into a classroom and setting him up for failure.

The child can learn how to control his impulses and THEN return to the classroom.

Until then, online school is a fantastic alternative option.


Luckily that’s not how IDEA works. Does it sound like there’s a legitimate problem? Absolutely. The school should bring in additional support to the classroom. The parents of neurotypical kids in this thread should be pushing the school district to do that, rather than sending this unsupported child with a presumed developmental disability home (or, as one poster suggested, jail).


Why is this the school’s problem?


Because they have an obligation to educate children, even those with special needs, in the least restrictive environment. And based on the offensive and ignorant comments in this thread, I'm very glad this obligation is ingrained in state and federal law.


Why are you dismissing online education when it actually makes the most sense?


Who is going to supervise this child in an online environment? Are you assuming that anyone that needs behavioral support has a SAHP?


Public school is not daycare, it provides education. Parents need to be responsible for their children.
Anonymous
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So let me tell you what you do.

You can't do anything if this kid hits someone who is not your child.

But the second this child hits your kid, and your kid reports it to you after school, YOU CALL 911 to report an assault.

I've been in MCPS for years, and have followed all the major assault cases (mostly in high schools). Families who relied on the school found that evidence was destroyed, witnesses were tampered with and justice was delayed. It's not that school employees want to hurt victims. It's that MCPS regulations are not built for assault cases. Families who called 911 and reported an assault to police immediately made the system work for them. Bypass MCPS completely. They will be forced to comply with the law.


Me again. I also have a child with special needs, and another child who was hit by a child with special needs. Please consider that you are HELPING the school, and the perpetrator, by forcing the issue if your child is hit. The Principal will be able to request funds to get a one-on-one aide for this child (like they did when I reported my child's assault), or they will finally have enough documentation to send this child to a special school with wrap-around services, where he belongs. The school will be relieved, the family will get the best placement for their child, the child will have more support, the other students will cease to be victimized.

There is no downside to calling 911.

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Why is there nowhere else to stick these kids?


These kids are usually mainstream kids. Take it from a mom whose special Ed kid was in a mainstream class. The kids who act up most often are NOT special Ed.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:Every kid who disrupts class should be moved into online-only classes and stay home


You are a horrible human being. A young child that is unable to control their impulses and has behavior issues has a disability. They are not behaving poorly on purpose. Luckily children with disabilities have a right to the same public education as their non disabled peers. The solution is not to punish the child or remove the child from society; the solution is to provide the necessary support and medical assistance that the child requires.


You are a horrible human being for forcing the child into a classroom and setting him up for failure.

The child can learn how to control his impulses and THEN return to the classroom.

Until then, online school is a fantastic alternative option.


Luckily that’s not how IDEA works. Does it sound like there’s a legitimate problem? Absolutely. The school should bring in additional support to the classroom. The parents of neurotypical kids in this thread should be pushing the school district to do that, rather than sending this unsupported child with a presumed developmental disability home (or, as one poster suggested, jail).


Why is this the school’s problem?


Because they have an obligation to educate children, even those with special needs, in the least restrictive environment. And based on the offensive and ignorant comments in this thread, I'm very glad this obligation is ingrained in state and federal law.


Why are you dismissing online education when it actually makes the most sense?


It doesn’t make sense at all. Clearly this student needs help. The online model is substantially more limited in the services and supports that can be effectively provided. And provides fewer educational opportunities in areas that appear to be of particular need for this student, such as social/peer interaction.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Every kid who disrupts class should be moved into online-only classes and stay home


You are a horrible human being. A young child that is unable to control their impulses and has behavior issues has a disability. They are not behaving poorly on purpose. Luckily children with disabilities have a right to the same public education as their non disabled peers. The solution is not to punish the child or remove the child from society; the solution is to provide the necessary support and medical assistance that the child requires.


You are a horrible human being for forcing the child into a classroom and setting him up for failure.

The child can learn how to control his impulses and THEN return to the classroom.

Until then, online school is a fantastic alternative option.


Luckily that’s not how IDEA works. Does it sound like there’s a legitimate problem? Absolutely. The school should bring in additional support to the classroom. The parents of neurotypical kids in this thread should be pushing the school district to do that, rather than sending this unsupported child with a presumed developmental disability home (or, as one poster suggested, jail).


Why is this the school’s problem?


Because they have an obligation to educate children, even those with special needs, in the least restrictive environment. And based on the offensive and ignorant comments in this thread, I'm very glad this obligation is ingrained in state and federal law.


Why are you dismissing online education when it actually makes the most sense?


It doesn’t make sense at all. Clearly this student needs help. The online model is substantially more limited in the services and supports that can be effectively provided. And provides fewer educational opportunities in areas that appear to be of particular need for this student, such as social/peer interaction.


Online education would allow the child to succeed rather than fail.
Anonymous
Honestly, if the school won't take proper disciplinary action against a kid who chronically hits other kids, I would tell my 8 yo that if they get hit they should hit back as hard as they possibly can. I would never tell my child NOT to defend themselves. Sometimes standing up to a bully is the fastest way to get them to stop.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Every kid who disrupts class should be moved into online-only classes and stay home


You are a horrible human being. A young child that is unable to control their impulses and has behavior issues has a disability. They are not behaving poorly on purpose. Luckily children with disabilities have a right to the same public education as their non disabled peers. The solution is not to punish the child or remove the child from society; the solution is to provide the necessary support and medical assistance that the child requires.


You are a horrible human being for forcing the child into a classroom and setting him up for failure.

The child can learn how to control his impulses and THEN return to the classroom.

Until then, online school is a fantastic alternative option.


Luckily that’s not how IDEA works. Does it sound like there’s a legitimate problem? Absolutely. The school should bring in additional support to the classroom. The parents of neurotypical kids in this thread should be pushing the school district to do that, rather than sending this unsupported child with a presumed developmental disability home (or, as one poster suggested, jail).


Why is this the school’s problem?


Because they have an obligation to educate children, even those with special needs, in the least restrictive environment. And based on the offensive and ignorant comments in this thread, I'm very glad this obligation is ingrained in state and federal law.


Why are you dismissing online education when it actually makes the most sense?


It doesn’t make sense at all. Clearly this student needs help. The online model is substantially more limited in the services and supports that can be effectively provided. And provides fewer educational opportunities in areas that appear to be of particular need for this student, such as social/peer interaction.


Violence against classmates is not an educational opportunity we need
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So let me tell you what you do.

You can't do anything if this kid hits someone who is not your child.

But the second this child hits your kid, and your kid reports it to you after school, YOU CALL 911 to report an assault.

I've been in MCPS for years, and have followed all the major assault cases (mostly in high schools). Families who relied on the school found that evidence was destroyed, witnesses were tampered with and justice was delayed. It's not that school employees want to hurt victims. It's that MCPS regulations are not built for assault cases. Families who called 911 and reported an assault to police immediately made the system work for them. Bypass MCPS completely. They will be forced to comply with the law.


Me again. I also have a child with special needs, and another child who was hit by a child with special needs. Please consider that you are HELPING the school, and the perpetrator, by forcing the issue if your child is hit. The Principal will be able to request funds to get a one-on-one aide for this child (like they did when I reported my child's assault), or they will finally have enough documentation to send this child to a special school with wrap-around services, where he belongs. The school will be relieved, the family will get the best placement for their child, the child will have more support, the other students will cease to be victimized.

There is no downside to calling 911.



Well, you shouldn’t be calling 911 is there isn’t an emergency. Other than that, I was inclined to agree with your post until I got to the “where he belongs” part.

Common mistake for bigots: you said the quiet part out loud.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Every kid who disrupts class should be moved into online-only classes and stay home


You are a horrible human being. A young child that is unable to control their impulses and has behavior issues has a disability. They are not behaving poorly on purpose. Luckily children with disabilities have a right to the same public education as their non disabled peers. The solution is not to punish the child or remove the child from society; the solution is to provide the necessary support and medical assistance that the child requires.


You are a horrible human being for forcing the child into a classroom and setting him up for failure.

The child can learn how to control his impulses and THEN return to the classroom.

Until then, online school is a fantastic alternative option.


Luckily that’s not how IDEA works. Does it sound like there’s a legitimate problem? Absolutely. The school should bring in additional support to the classroom. The parents of neurotypical kids in this thread should be pushing the school district to do that, rather than sending this unsupported child with a presumed developmental disability home (or, as one poster suggested, jail).


Why is this the school’s problem?


Because they have an obligation to educate children, even those with special needs, in the least restrictive environment. And based on the offensive and ignorant comments in this thread, I'm very glad this obligation is ingrained in state and federal law.


Why are you dismissing online education when it actually makes the most sense?


It doesn’t make sense at all. Clearly this student needs help. The online model is substantially more limited in the services and supports that can be effectively provided. And provides fewer educational opportunities in areas that appear to be of particular need for this student, such as social/peer interaction.


Violence against classmates is not an educational opportunity we need


Agreed. Which is why the school needs to provide services and supports to the child with a disability. Everyone benefits.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Every kid who disrupts class should be moved into online-only classes and stay home


You are a horrible human being. A young child that is unable to control their impulses and has behavior issues has a disability. They are not behaving poorly on purpose. Luckily children with disabilities have a right to the same public education as their non disabled peers. The solution is not to punish the child or remove the child from society; the solution is to provide the necessary support and medical assistance that the child requires.


You are a horrible human being for forcing the child into a classroom and setting him up for failure.

The child can learn how to control his impulses and THEN return to the classroom.

Until then, online school is a fantastic alternative option.


Luckily that’s not how IDEA works. Does it sound like there’s a legitimate problem? Absolutely. The school should bring in additional support to the classroom. The parents of neurotypical kids in this thread should be pushing the school district to do that, rather than sending this unsupported child with a presumed developmental disability home (or, as one poster suggested, jail).


Why is this the school’s problem?


Because they have an obligation to educate children, even those with special needs, in the least restrictive environment. And based on the offensive and ignorant comments in this thread, I'm very glad this obligation is ingrained in state and federal law.


Why are you dismissing online education when it actually makes the most sense?


It doesn’t make sense at all. Clearly this student needs help. The online model is substantially more limited in the services and supports that can be effectively provided. And provides fewer educational opportunities in areas that appear to be of particular need for this student, such as social/peer interaction.


Violence against classmates is not an educational opportunity we need


Agreed. Which is why the school needs to provide services and supports to the child with a disability. Everyone benefits.


Schools should not have to deal with violence period.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Every kid who disrupts class should be moved into online-only classes and stay home


You are a horrible human being. A young child that is unable to control their impulses and has behavior issues has a disability. They are not behaving poorly on purpose. Luckily children with disabilities have a right to the same public education as their non disabled peers. The solution is not to punish the child or remove the child from society; the solution is to provide the necessary support and medical assistance that the child requires.


You are a horrible human being for forcing the child into a classroom and setting him up for failure.

The child can learn how to control his impulses and THEN return to the classroom.

Until then, online school is a fantastic alternative option.


Luckily that’s not how IDEA works. Does it sound like there’s a legitimate problem? Absolutely. The school should bring in additional support to the classroom. The parents of neurotypical kids in this thread should be pushing the school district to do that, rather than sending this unsupported child with a presumed developmental disability home (or, as one poster suggested, jail).


Why is this the school’s problem?


Because they have an obligation to educate children, even those with special needs, in the least restrictive environment. And based on the offensive and ignorant comments in this thread, I'm very glad this obligation is ingrained in state and federal law.


Why are you dismissing online education when it actually makes the most sense?


It doesn’t make sense at all. Clearly this student needs help. The online model is substantially more limited in the services and supports that can be effectively provided. And provides fewer educational opportunities in areas that appear to be of particular need for this student, such as social/peer interaction.


Online education would allow the child to succeed rather than fail.


Almost certainly not, given that they wouldn’t be able to receive the services and supports that they obviously need to develop important academic and life skills.
Anonymous
Everyone is still assuming the child in OP’s story has SN with no basis for that assumption.

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Anonymous wrote:Every kid who disrupts class should be moved into online-only classes and stay home


You are a horrible human being. A young child that is unable to control their impulses and has behavior issues has a disability. They are not behaving poorly on purpose. Luckily children with disabilities have a right to the same public education as their non disabled peers. The solution is not to punish the child or remove the child from society; the solution is to provide the necessary support and medical assistance that the child requires.


You are a horrible human being for forcing the child into a classroom and setting him up for failure.

The child can learn how to control his impulses and THEN return to the classroom.

Until then, online school is a fantastic alternative option.


Luckily that’s not how IDEA works. Does it sound like there’s a legitimate problem? Absolutely. The school should bring in additional support to the classroom. The parents of neurotypical kids in this thread should be pushing the school district to do that, rather than sending this unsupported child with a presumed developmental disability home (or, as one poster suggested, jail).


Why is this the school’s problem?


Because they have an obligation to educate children, even those with special needs, in the least restrictive environment. And based on the offensive and ignorant comments in this thread, I'm very glad this obligation is ingrained in state and federal law.


Why are you dismissing online education when it actually makes the most sense?


It doesn’t make sense at all. Clearly this student needs help. The online model is substantially more limited in the services and supports that can be effectively provided. And provides fewer educational opportunities in areas that appear to be of particular need for this student, such as social/peer interaction.


Violence against classmates is not an educational opportunity we need


Agreed. Which is why the school needs to provide services and supports to the child with a disability. Everyone benefits.


Schools should not have to deal with violence period.


Again, agreed. It’s unfortunate that schools are so reluctant to provide the necessary services and supports until the situation is dire. Perhaps this gives you some perspective on the struggles that parents of kids with special needs face as they deal with schools.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Is the hitter sped?


No sh&t. Good luck, OP!
Wait until high school. It only gets worse.
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