DD's teacher has a "cry board" in her classroom

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Help your DD learn to write emails that state facts and then ask for an extension or a discussion regarding acceptance of her current grade in class as the final grade if there isn’t enough time to complete assignments. She should copy you and her counselor.

Unpopular opinion - elective teachers rightfully want their students to take their coursework seriously and they have to accept that other courses will take precedence for most students even when they are taking the course seriously. To that end, projects and work need to be done in class with only voluntary or extra credit work done outside of class. i’m

You don't belong here as you clearly don't understand and are ignorant of possible accommodations for students with disabilities. I assume you are the same person who keeps stating things as fact that are not facts. I hope to the heavens that you are not a teacher.

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Anonymous wrote:I think in the long run, it will be better to help your daughter deal with the failing grade than try to battle the teacher. She couldn’t do the work because she was sick, so she failed. That’s the bad thing that happened. The recovery is retaking the class, or summer school, or whatever. This is a college essay waiting to be written. The D is not an insurmountable problem.

The teacher is wrong and crappy, sure. But your daughter needs to learn which fights to fight. It doesn’t help her to try to get the teacher in trouble and it doesn’t mean she actually completed the assigned work. She’s not the teacher police, she’s a student. She couldn’t do the work because she was sick and so she failed the course. That’s OKAY. Help her work through THAT.

PS, sure, complain about the cry board thing. It’s gross. But it’s not really relevant to the failing grade except that you want to maybe leverage it to weaken the teacher and get a grade that doesn’t reflect completed coursework.

PPS I would even go so far as to say that if she is outraged about the cry board thing and wants to take a stand on that for the sake of herself and future students, wonderful. Advocacy is important. To be a good advocate on that she needs to drop the grade appeal unless she’s finished the required coursework, because having a request to change the grade clouds the water on the cry board thing. Is it about one, or the other? She’d be a stronger advocate on the cry board thing without the grade issue. Take the fail, recover it the right way.

F*** this. Oh hellllllllll no. This person should not see the inside of a classroom ever again. I say that as a teacher.

I am livid for you OP.

Last time I’m going to try this.

Can we get more info first? Before the pitchforks come out, talk to the teacher.

I’m also a teacher. Yes, I absolutely believe that this could be true. I just haven’t read anything on this thread yet that justifies a huge take-down.

I know a teacher who had her reputation destroyed by a parent who was working on false information. Get the facts first. Always.

How will OP feel if she takes this to the board before talking to the teacher, only to have new info revealed?

Where did I say she shouldn't talk to the teacher??

Read the post I am actually responding to.

I was responding to this:
“F*** this. Oh hellllllllll no. This person should not see the inside of a classroom ever again. I say that as a teacher.

I am livid for you OP.”

Or should go higher in this sub thread, where there is a reference to “weaken[ing] the teacher”?

This thread is filled with calls to take the teacher down.

I’ve seen this happen to an innocent teacher. Someone on this thread has to remind people how altercations SHOULD be handled.

If OP can get into the teacher’s classroom to talk in person. Otherwise, the teacher has a chance to remove the evidence and claim the student misunderstood. If there’s no cry board, it shouldn’t be a problem, yes?

The fact that this teacher did not cut this student - a ninth grader with multiple disabilities who endured a hospitalization with a chronic disorder - some slack makes me much less likely to give her the benefit of the doubt on anything.

If the OP cannot meet with the teacher in person with another admin present, preferably in her classroom, then OP is well within reason to meet with admin without the teacher and lay out the situation. The teacher should not be allowed to dodge this.

You do hear this tone, correct? That the teacher is already guilty?

I’ve ONLY asked that the teacher be included in a conversation. Again: I have seen an innocent teacher destroyed because a parent took a false story to admin and above. She was proven innocent later, but the damage was done. I’m now sensitive to witch-hunts.

The student very well may be correct here and should be supported. Any effort to take the teacher down or “weaken the teacher” shouldn’t occur until AFTER a conversation with the teacher and admin.

I’m an innocent-until-guilty believer, but I suppose many aren’t.

I don’t think you’re wrong in principle, but I think you’re being incredibly naive regarding the lengths that teachers and and admins will go to ignore or even cover up malfeasance. The circumstances and video strongly suggest malfeasance occurred, and the OP should absolutely be careful to not give the school an opportunity to destroy evidence or sweep the incidents under the rug.

I’m the PP you are responding to. I’ve taught for over 20 years, so I’m definitely not naive. I’ve had my own child bullied by a teacher and I have had to report a coworker for bullying a child. I KNOW what some teachers are capable of.

I’ve also had many, many students lie to me. I’ve also had many parents lie to me.

Nobody on this thread know what happened. The references to video evidence? Nobody here has actually seen it.

And to the poster who asked me about molestation: I have had to make those calls to CPS multiple times. This is NOT that situation. We don’t even know what this situation really is.

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Anonymous wrote:I think in the long run, it will be better to help your daughter deal with the failing grade than try to battle the teacher. She couldn’t do the work because she was sick, so she failed. That’s the bad thing that happened. The recovery is retaking the class, or summer school, or whatever. This is a college essay waiting to be written. The D is not an insurmountable problem.

The teacher is wrong and crappy, sure. But your daughter needs to learn which fights to fight. It doesn’t help her to try to get the teacher in trouble and it doesn’t mean she actually completed the assigned work. She’s not the teacher police, she’s a student. She couldn’t do the work because she was sick and so she failed the course. That’s OKAY. Help her work through THAT.

PS, sure, complain about the cry board thing. It’s gross. But it’s not really relevant to the failing grade except that you want to maybe leverage it to weaken the teacher and get a grade that doesn’t reflect completed coursework.

PPS I would even go so far as to say that if she is outraged about the cry board thing and wants to take a stand on that for the sake of herself and future students, wonderful. Advocacy is important. To be a good advocate on that she needs to drop the grade appeal unless she’s finished the required coursework, because having a request to change the grade clouds the water on the cry board thing. Is it about one, or the other? She’d be a stronger advocate on the cry board thing without the grade issue. Take the fail, recover it the right way.

F*** this. Oh hellllllllll no. This person should not see the inside of a classroom ever again. I say that as a teacher.

I am livid for you OP.

Last time I’m going to try this.

Can we get more info first? Before the pitchforks come out, talk to the teacher.

I’m also a teacher. Yes, I absolutely believe that this could be true. I just haven’t read anything on this thread yet that justifies a huge take-down.

I know a teacher who had her reputation destroyed by a parent who was working on false information. Get the facts first. Always.

How will OP feel if she takes this to the board before talking to the teacher, only to have new info revealed?

Where did I say she shouldn't talk to the teacher??

Read the post I am actually responding to.

I was responding to this:
“F*** this. Oh hellllllllll no. This person should not see the inside of a classroom ever again. I say that as a teacher.

I am livid for you OP.”

Or should go higher in this sub thread, where there is a reference to “weaken[ing] the teacher”?

This thread is filled with calls to take the teacher down.

I’ve seen this happen to an innocent teacher. Someone on this thread has to remind people how altercations SHOULD be handled.

If OP can get into the teacher’s classroom to talk in person. Otherwise, the teacher has a chance to remove the evidence and claim the student misunderstood. If there’s no cry board, it shouldn’t be a problem, yes?

The fact that this teacher did not cut this student - a ninth grader with multiple disabilities who endured a hospitalization with a chronic disorder - some slack makes me much less likely to give her the benefit of the doubt on anything.

If the OP cannot meet with the teacher in person with another admin present, preferably in her classroom, then OP is well within reason to meet with admin without the teacher and lay out the situation. The teacher should not be allowed to dodge this.

You do hear this tone, correct? That the teacher is already guilty?

I’ve ONLY asked that the teacher be included in a conversation. Again: I have seen an innocent teacher destroyed because a parent took a false story to admin and above. She was proven innocent later, but the damage was done. I’m now sensitive to witch-hunts.

The student very well may be correct here and should be supported. Any effort to take the teacher down or “weaken the teacher” shouldn’t occur until AFTER a conversation with the teacher and admin.

I’m an innocent-until-guilty believer, but I suppose many aren’t.

I don’t think you’re wrong in principle, but I think you’re being incredibly naive regarding the lengths that teachers and and admins will go to ignore or even cover up malfeasance. The circumstances and video strongly suggest malfeasance occurred, and the OP should absolutely be careful to not give the school an opportunity to destroy evidence or sweep the incidents under the rug.

I’m the PP you are responding to. I’ve taught for over 20 years, so I’m definitely not naive. I’ve had my own child bullied by a teacher and I have had to report a coworker for bullying a child. I KNOW what some teachers are capable of.

I’ve also had many, many students lie to me. I’ve also had many parents lie to me.

Nobody on this thread know what happened. The references to video evidence? Nobody here has actually seen it.

And to the poster who asked me about molestation: I have had to make those calls to CPS multiple times. This is NOT that situation. We don’t even know what this situation really is.

So then you presumably understand the need to take steps to prevent the this teacher from covering up the actions she's been accused of, right?

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Anonymous wrote:I think in the long run, it will be better to help your daughter deal with the failing grade than try to battle the teacher. She couldn’t do the work because she was sick, so she failed. That’s the bad thing that happened. The recovery is retaking the class, or summer school, or whatever. This is a college essay waiting to be written. The D is not an insurmountable problem.

The teacher is wrong and crappy, sure. But your daughter needs to learn which fights to fight. It doesn’t help her to try to get the teacher in trouble and it doesn’t mean she actually completed the assigned work. She’s not the teacher police, she’s a student. She couldn’t do the work because she was sick and so she failed the course. That’s OKAY. Help her work through THAT.

PS, sure, complain about the cry board thing. It’s gross. But it’s not really relevant to the failing grade except that you want to maybe leverage it to weaken the teacher and get a grade that doesn’t reflect completed coursework.

PPS I would even go so far as to say that if she is outraged about the cry board thing and wants to take a stand on that for the sake of herself and future students, wonderful. Advocacy is important. To be a good advocate on that she needs to drop the grade appeal unless she’s finished the required coursework, because having a request to change the grade clouds the water on the cry board thing. Is it about one, or the other? She’d be a stronger advocate on the cry board thing without the grade issue. Take the fail, recover it the right way.

F*** this. Oh hellllllllll no. This person should not see the inside of a classroom ever again. I say that as a teacher.

I am livid for you OP.

Last time I’m going to try this.

Can we get more info first? Before the pitchforks come out, talk to the teacher.

I’m also a teacher. Yes, I absolutely believe that this could be true. I just haven’t read anything on this thread yet that justifies a huge take-down.

I know a teacher who had her reputation destroyed by a parent who was working on false information. Get the facts first. Always.

How will OP feel if she takes this to the board before talking to the teacher, only to have new info revealed?

Where did I say she shouldn't talk to the teacher??

Read the post I am actually responding to.

I was responding to this:
“F*** this. Oh hellllllllll no. This person should not see the inside of a classroom ever again. I say that as a teacher.

I am livid for you OP.”

Or should go higher in this sub thread, where there is a reference to “weaken[ing] the teacher”?

This thread is filled with calls to take the teacher down.

I’ve seen this happen to an innocent teacher. Someone on this thread has to remind people how altercations SHOULD be handled.

If OP can get into the teacher’s classroom to talk in person. Otherwise, the teacher has a chance to remove the evidence and claim the student misunderstood. If there’s no cry board, it shouldn’t be a problem, yes?

The fact that this teacher did not cut this student - a ninth grader with multiple disabilities who endured a hospitalization with a chronic disorder - some slack makes me much less likely to give her the benefit of the doubt on anything.

If the OP cannot meet with the teacher in person with another admin present, preferably in her classroom, then OP is well within reason to meet with admin without the teacher and lay out the situation. The teacher should not be allowed to dodge this.

You do hear this tone, correct? That the teacher is already guilty?

I’ve ONLY asked that the teacher be included in a conversation. Again: I have seen an innocent teacher destroyed because a parent took a false story to admin and above. She was proven innocent later, but the damage was done. I’m now sensitive to witch-hunts.

The student very well may be correct here and should be supported. Any effort to take the teacher down or “weaken the teacher” shouldn’t occur until AFTER a conversation with the teacher and admin.

I’m an innocent-until-guilty believer, but I suppose many aren’t.

I don’t think you’re wrong in principle, but I think you’re being incredibly naive regarding the lengths that teachers and and admins will go to ignore or even cover up malfeasance. The circumstances and video strongly suggest malfeasance occurred, and the OP should absolutely be careful to not give the school an opportunity to destroy evidence or sweep the incidents under the rug.

I’m the PP you are responding to. I’ve taught for over 20 years, so I’m definitely not naive. I’ve had my own child bullied by a teacher and I have had to report a coworker for bullying a child. I KNOW what some teachers are capable of.

I’ve also had many, many students lie to me. I’ve also had many parents lie to me.

Nobody on this thread know what happened. The references to video evidence? Nobody here has actually seen it.

And to the poster who asked me about molestation: I have had to make those calls to CPS multiple times. This is NOT that situation. We don’t even know what this situation really is.

So then you presumably understand the need to take steps to prevent the this teacher from covering up the actions she's been accused of, right?

I’d simply be happy if we weren’t starting with assumptions of guilt.

If it’s already on video, what’s there to cover up? Take the video to the school and sit with admin and the teacher. Watch the video and then discuss. Perhaps the video shows exactly what OP thinks it shows. Perhaps the video shows something MUCH more benign, and the rest is interpretation.

That’s the most appropriate way to handle this.

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Anonymous wrote:Students also lie, embellish, and twist stories, too. There needs to be an investigation on both sides. This student could just be a pot-stirrer, too. The cry room may be for a student to collect themselves. The student must have been a very poor student to be failing a photography class. The admin should investigate how many days the student truly missed and what is going on in the other classes. Students are turning into bullies now with cameras. They try to create false narratives about teachers to suit their agenda. One must be careful to place total blame on the teacher. How many attempts were offered to the student and work is still not turned in? Different rules can’t be created for one student. Either the student deserves an incomplete or an F. Which is it? I find it hard to believe that this is some stellar student.

Schools absolutely make various accommodations for individual students. Do you know what an IEP is?

And yes, there’s a need to investigate. But you don't give suspects an opportunity to destroy evidence during investigations. The pp claiming to be a teacher that has been suggesting that the OP needs to talk to the teacher is being incredibly naive. Either that or she believes the OP and wants a cover-up.

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Anonymous wrote:DD's 9th grade photography teacher has a board hanging up in her classroom called "closet tears". Yesterday, DD was told by this teacher that she was going to fail her for "not trying hard enough". DD started to cry, as she HAS been trying as best she could to catch up, but the teacher refused to reduce any of the workload despite legitimate absences. DD has been very sick the second half of this year, including being in the hospital and finally getting diagnosed with an autoimmune disease a few weeks ago. The teacher told DD to walk over and put a hash mark on the "closet tears" board.

I was already livid and now I'm just in an absolute rage. She has an IEP for dyslexia, dysgraphia and slow processing speed. I contacted the school on May 24th after we got her diagnosis and asked for an IEP meeting to address her medical conditions. After several email reminders, they finally scheduled it for August 14th.

Do we have any recourse to fight the failing grade? And the teacher bullying her students by boasting about making them cry? WTF?

Oh, DD has video of the closet tears board. She took it before leaving class yesterday (last day of school).

March into the principal 's office and reach out to the media.

Oh, please. “The media” does not care.

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Anonymous wrote:Students also lie, embellish, and twist stories, too. There needs to be an investigation on both sides. This student could just be a pot-stirrer, too. The cry room may be for a student to collect themselves. The student must have been a very poor student to be failing a photography class. The admin should investigate how many days the student truly missed and what is going on in the other classes. Students are turning into bullies now with cameras. They try to create false narratives about teachers to suit their agenda. One must be careful to place total blame on the teacher. How many attempts were offered to the student and work is still not turned in? Different rules can’t be created for one student. Either the student deserves an incomplete or an F. Which is it? I find it hard to believe that this is some stellar student.

Schools absolutely make various accommodations for individual students. Do you know what an IEP is?

And yes, there’s a need to investigate. But you don't give suspects an opportunity to destroy evidence during investigations. The pp claiming to be a teacher that has been suggesting that the OP needs to talk to the teacher is being incredibly naive. Either that or she believes the OP and wants a cover-up.

This thread had jumped the shark.

I’m one of 2 (at least) posters who are saying to involve the teacher in the conversation.

This is getting silly. It’s presumably already on video. What is there to cover up, and why would I WANT a cover up?

I just don’t approve of taking people down without an investigation. I’ve seen that happen to a teacher who was 100% innocent of the allegations against her.

Just talk to admin and the teacher. Why does this need to be a big deal?

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Anonymous wrote:I think in the long run, it will be better to help your daughter deal with the failing grade than try to battle the teacher. She couldn’t do the work because she was sick, so she failed. That’s the bad thing that happened. The recovery is retaking the class, or summer school, or whatever. This is a college essay waiting to be written. The D is not an insurmountable problem.

The teacher is wrong and crappy, sure. But your daughter needs to learn which fights to fight. It doesn’t help her to try to get the teacher in trouble and it doesn’t mean she actually completed the assigned work. She’s not the teacher police, she’s a student. She couldn’t do the work because she was sick and so she failed the course. That’s OKAY. Help her work through THAT.

PS, sure, complain about the cry board thing. It’s gross. But it’s not really relevant to the failing grade except that you want to maybe leverage it to weaken the teacher and get a grade that doesn’t reflect completed coursework.

PPS I would even go so far as to say that if she is outraged about the cry board thing and wants to take a stand on that for the sake of herself and future students, wonderful. Advocacy is important. To be a good advocate on that she needs to drop the grade appeal unless she’s finished the required coursework, because having a request to change the grade clouds the water on the cry board thing. Is it about one, or the other? She’d be a stronger advocate on the cry board thing without the grade issue. Take the fail, recover it the right way.

F*** this. Oh hellllllllll no. This person should not see the inside of a classroom ever again. I say that as a teacher.

I am livid for you OP.

Last time I’m going to try this.

Can we get more info first? Before the pitchforks come out, talk to the teacher.

I’m also a teacher. Yes, I absolutely believe that this could be true. I just haven’t read anything on this thread yet that justifies a huge take-down.

I know a teacher who had her reputation destroyed by a parent who was working on false information. Get the facts first. Always.

How will OP feel if she takes this to the board before talking to the teacher, only to have new info revealed?

Where did I say she shouldn't talk to the teacher??

Read the post I am actually responding to.

I was responding to this:
“F*** this. Oh hellllllllll no. This person should not see the inside of a classroom ever again. I say that as a teacher.

I am livid for you OP.”

Or should go higher in this sub thread, where there is a reference to “weaken[ing] the teacher”?

This thread is filled with calls to take the teacher down.

I’ve seen this happen to an innocent teacher. Someone on this thread has to remind people how altercations SHOULD be handled.

If OP can get into the teacher’s classroom to talk in person. Otherwise, the teacher has a chance to remove the evidence and claim the student misunderstood. If there’s no cry board, it shouldn’t be a problem, yes?

The fact that this teacher did not cut this student - a ninth grader with multiple disabilities who endured a hospitalization with a chronic disorder - some slack makes me much less likely to give her the benefit of the doubt on anything.

If the OP cannot meet with the teacher in person with another admin present, preferably in her classroom, then OP is well within reason to meet with admin without the teacher and lay out the situation. The teacher should not be allowed to dodge this.

You do hear this tone, correct? That the teacher is already guilty?

I’ve ONLY asked that the teacher be included in a conversation. Again: I have seen an innocent teacher destroyed because a parent took a false story to admin and above. She was proven innocent later, but the damage was done. I’m now sensitive to witch-hunts.

The student very well may be correct here and should be supported. Any effort to take the teacher down or “weaken the teacher” shouldn’t occur until AFTER a conversation with the teacher and admin.

I’m an innocent-until-guilty believer, but I suppose many aren’t.

I don’t think you’re wrong in principle, but I think you’re being incredibly naive regarding the lengths that teachers and and admins will go to ignore or even cover up malfeasance. The circumstances and video strongly suggest malfeasance occurred, and the OP should absolutely be careful to not give the school an opportunity to destroy evidence or sweep the incidents under the rug.

I’m the PP you are responding to. I’ve taught for over 20 years, so I’m definitely not naive. I’ve had my own child bullied by a teacher and I have had to report a coworker for bullying a child. I KNOW what some teachers are capable of.

I’ve also had many, many students lie to me. I’ve also had many parents lie to me.

Nobody on this thread know what happened. The references to video evidence? Nobody here has actually seen it.

And to the poster who asked me about molestation: I have had to make those calls to CPS multiple times. This is NOT that situation. We don’t even know what this situation really is.

So then you presumably understand the need to take steps to prevent the this teacher from covering up the actions she's been accused of, right?

I’d simply be happy if we weren’t starting with assumptions of guilt.

If it’s already on video, what’s there to cover up? Take the video to the school and sit with admin and the teacher. Watch the video and then discuss. Perhaps the video shows exactly what OP thinks it shows. Perhaps the video shows something MUCH more benign, and the rest is interpretation.

That’s the most appropriate way to handle this.

The problem with that is that you can't realistically set up such a meeting without giving the teacher an opportunity to remove evidence or spin events before you're able to talk to the principal. Getting a meeting with the principal first, and then hearing from the teacher, is the most appropriate way to handle it.

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Anonymous wrote:Students also lie, embellish, and twist stories, too. There needs to be an investigation on both sides. This student could just be a pot-stirrer, too. The cry room may be for a student to collect themselves. The student must have been a very poor student to be failing a photography class. The admin should investigate how many days the student truly missed and what is going on in the other classes. Students are turning into bullies now with cameras. They try to create false narratives about teachers to suit their agenda. One must be careful to place total blame on the teacher. How many attempts were offered to the student and work is still not turned in? Different rules can’t be created for one student. Either the student deserves an incomplete or an F. Which is it? I find it hard to believe that this is some stellar student.

Schools absolutely make various accommodations for individual students. Do you know what an IEP is?

And yes, there’s a need to investigate. But you don't give suspects an opportunity to destroy evidence during investigations. The pp claiming to be a teacher that has been suggesting that the OP needs to talk to the teacher is being incredibly naive. Either that or she believes the OP and wants a cover-up.

This thread had jumped the shark.

I’m one of 2 (at least) posters who are saying to involve the teacher in the conversation.

This is getting silly. It’s presumably already on video. What is there to cover up, and why would I WANT a cover up?

I just don’t approve of taking people down without an investigation. I’ve seen that happen to a teacher who was 100% innocent of the allegations against her.

Just talk to admin and the teacher. Why does this need to be a big deal?

Who is saying there shouldn’t be an investigation?

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Anonymous wrote:To the PP who keeps saying to talk to the teacher- is that the same advice you would give of the student told her mom she’d been touched inappropriately by a teacher? Go in and see if the teacher can talk it away, maybe it was a misunderstanding? I sure hope not.

This is not to that extreme but I have a child who has been repeatedly lied about by a teacher in the past. Kids need to feel believed especially when someone is being a sh*t to them and they have video evidence. This is not one of those times I’d be pushing my child to see the teachers side of things. I’d be going directly to the principal on her behalf.

My kid had an accommodation that a teacher refused to provide. We complained to the admin. Teacher was adamant she was providing accommodation. We were lucky that the AP cared and checked out the class several times in a week and verified the teacher lied. She never provided the accommodation which was simple. The woman would give the class assignments orally - ie not write them down or provide documentation of assignments. Accommodation provided assignments were written even if on the board so kid could take a photo. She never did and got caught. What kind of sicko is this nasty to not provide something that is a good teaching practice. We encountered this kind of insanity constantly.

PP keep arguing for the teacher but those of us who've lived this are fed up by high school.

Also in my county teachers are not available within a week or so of school ending. Their contracts end and we found they wouldn't respond. Op will be dealing with the administration anyway. I would talk to them first but I absolutely would take this to social media so anyone else who wants to hire this psycho knows.

Please don’t go to social media. This is very bad advice. This will only make you, Op, look completely aggressive and unhinged. Social media is not the way to handle Human resource problems. The baggage of social media resides with the poster. Op, you can handle this without creating more derogatory attention to yourself and your daughter. Social media just shows the posters to be loons.

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Anonymous wrote:Students also lie, embellish, and twist stories, too. There needs to be an investigation on both sides. This student could just be a pot-stirrer, too. The cry room may be for a student to collect themselves. The student must have been a very poor student to be failing a photography class. The admin should investigate how many days the student truly missed and what is going on in the other classes. Students are turning into bullies now with cameras. They try to create false narratives about teachers to suit their agenda. One must be careful to place total blame on the teacher. How many attempts were offered to the student and work is still not turned in? Different rules can’t be created for one student. Either the student deserves an incomplete or an F. Which is it? I find it hard to believe that this is some stellar student.

Schools absolutely make various accommodations for individual students. Do you know what an IEP is?

And yes, there’s a need to investigate. But you don't give suspects an opportunity to destroy evidence during investigations. The pp claiming to be a teacher that has been suggesting that the OP needs to talk to the teacher is being incredibly naive. Either that or she believes the OP and wants a cover-up.

This thread had jumped the shark.

I’m one of 2 (at least) posters who are saying to involve the teacher in the conversation.

This is getting silly. It’s presumably already on video. What is there to cover up, and why would I WANT a cover up?

I just don’t approve of taking people down without an investigation. I’ve seen that happen to a teacher who was 100% innocent of the allegations against her.

Just talk to admin and the teacher. Why does this need to be a big deal?

Who is saying there shouldn’t be an investigation?

The posters saying to post this directly on social media.

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Anonymous wrote:I think in the long run, it will be better to help your daughter deal with the failing grade than try to battle the teacher. She couldn’t do the work because she was sick, so she failed. That’s the bad thing that happened. The recovery is retaking the class, or summer school, or whatever. This is a college essay waiting to be written. The D is not an insurmountable problem.

The teacher is wrong and crappy, sure. But your daughter needs to learn which fights to fight. It doesn’t help her to try to get the teacher in trouble and it doesn’t mean she actually completed the assigned work. She’s not the teacher police, she’s a student. She couldn’t do the work because she was sick and so she failed the course. That’s OKAY. Help her work through THAT.

PS, sure, complain about the cry board thing. It’s gross. But it’s not really relevant to the failing grade except that you want to maybe leverage it to weaken the teacher and get a grade that doesn’t reflect completed coursework.

PPS I would even go so far as to say that if she is outraged about the cry board thing and wants to take a stand on that for the sake of herself and future students, wonderful. Advocacy is important. To be a good advocate on that she needs to drop the grade appeal unless she’s finished the required coursework, because having a request to change the grade clouds the water on the cry board thing. Is it about one, or the other? She’d be a stronger advocate on the cry board thing without the grade issue. Take the fail, recover it the right way.

F*** this. Oh hellllllllll no. This person should not see the inside of a classroom ever again. I say that as a teacher.

I am livid for you OP.

Last time I’m going to try this.

Can we get more info first? Before the pitchforks come out, talk to the teacher.

I’m also a teacher. Yes, I absolutely believe that this could be true. I just haven’t read anything on this thread yet that justifies a huge take-down.

I know a teacher who had her reputation destroyed by a parent who was working on false information. Get the facts first. Always.

How will OP feel if she takes this to the board before talking to the teacher, only to have new info revealed?

Where did I say she shouldn't talk to the teacher??

Read the post I am actually responding to.

I was responding to this:
“F*** this. Oh hellllllllll no. This person should not see the inside of a classroom ever again. I say that as a teacher.

I am livid for you OP.”

Or should go higher in this sub thread, where there is a reference to “weaken[ing] the teacher”?

This thread is filled with calls to take the teacher down.

I’ve seen this happen to an innocent teacher. Someone on this thread has to remind people how altercations SHOULD be handled.

If OP can get into the teacher’s classroom to talk in person. Otherwise, the teacher has a chance to remove the evidence and claim the student misunderstood. If there’s no cry board, it shouldn’t be a problem, yes?

The fact that this teacher did not cut this student - a ninth grader with multiple disabilities who endured a hospitalization with a chronic disorder - some slack makes me much less likely to give her the benefit of the doubt on anything.

If the OP cannot meet with the teacher in person with another admin present, preferably in her classroom, then OP is well within reason to meet with admin without the teacher and lay out the situation. The teacher should not be allowed to dodge this.

You do hear this tone, correct? That the teacher is already guilty?

I’ve ONLY asked that the teacher be included in a conversation. Again: I have seen an innocent teacher destroyed because a parent took a false story to admin and above. She was proven innocent later, but the damage was done. I’m now sensitive to witch-hunts.

The student very well may be correct here and should be supported. Any effort to take the teacher down or “weaken the teacher” shouldn’t occur until AFTER a conversation with the teacher and admin.

I’m an innocent-until-guilty believer, but I suppose many aren’t.

I don’t think you’re wrong in principle, but I think you’re being incredibly naive regarding the lengths that teachers and and admins will go to ignore or even cover up malfeasance. The circumstances and video strongly suggest malfeasance occurred, and the OP should absolutely be careful to not give the school an opportunity to destroy evidence or sweep the incidents under the rug.

I’m the PP you are responding to. I’ve taught for over 20 years, so I’m definitely not naive. I’ve had my own child bullied by a teacher and I have had to report a coworker for bullying a child. I KNOW what some teachers are capable of.

I’ve also had many, many students lie to me. I’ve also had many parents lie to me.

Nobody on this thread know what happened. The references to video evidence? Nobody here has actually seen it.

And to the poster who asked me about molestation: I have had to make those calls to CPS multiple times. This is NOT that situation. We don’t even know what this situation really is.

So then you presumably understand the need to take steps to prevent the this teacher from covering up the actions she's been accused of, right?

I’d simply be happy if we weren’t starting with assumptions of guilt.

If it’s already on video, what’s there to cover up? Take the video to the school and sit with admin and the teacher. Watch the video and then discuss. Perhaps the video shows exactly what OP thinks it shows. Perhaps the video shows something MUCH more benign, and the rest is interpretation.

That’s the most appropriate way to handle this.

The problem with that is that you can't realistically set up such a meeting without giving the teacher an opportunity to remove evidence or spin events before you're able to talk to the principal. Getting a meeting with the principal first, and then hearing from the teacher, is the most appropriate way to handle it.

I think this still assumes guilt, but I’d be fine with this. The teacher I know didn’t even get this.

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Anonymous wrote:Students also lie, embellish, and twist stories, too. There needs to be an investigation on both sides. This student could just be a pot-stirrer, too. The cry room may be for a student to collect themselves. The student must have been a very poor student to be failing a photography class. The admin should investigate how many days the student truly missed and what is going on in the other classes. Students are turning into bullies now with cameras. They try to create false narratives about teachers to suit their agenda. One must be careful to place total blame on the teacher. How many attempts were offered to the student and work is still not turned in? Different rules can’t be created for one student. Either the student deserves an incomplete or an F. Which is it? I find it hard to believe that this is some stellar student.

Schools absolutely make various accommodations for individual students. Do you know what an IEP is?

And yes, there’s a need to investigate. But you don't give suspects an opportunity to destroy evidence during investigations. The pp claiming to be a teacher that has been suggesting that the OP needs to talk to the teacher is being incredibly naive. Either that or she believes the OP and wants a cover-up.

This thread had jumped the shark.

I’m one of 2 (at least) posters who are saying to involve the teacher in the conversation.

This is getting silly. It’s presumably already on video. What is there to cover up, and why would I WANT a cover up?

I just don’t approve of taking people down without an investigation. I’ve seen that happen to a teacher who was 100% innocent of the allegations against her.

Just talk to admin and the teacher. Why does this need to be a big deal?

Who is saying there shouldn’t be an investigation?

The posters saying to post this directly on social media.

Sometimes that’s what it takes to get an investigation.

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Anonymous wrote:I think in the long run, it will be better to help your daughter deal with the failing grade than try to battle the teacher. She couldn’t do the work because she was sick, so she failed. That’s the bad thing that happened. The recovery is retaking the class, or summer school, or whatever. This is a college essay waiting to be written. The D is not an insurmountable problem.

The teacher is wrong and crappy, sure. But your daughter needs to learn which fights to fight. It doesn’t help her to try to get the teacher in trouble and it doesn’t mean she actually completed the assigned work. She’s not the teacher police, she’s a student. She couldn’t do the work because she was sick and so she failed the course. That’s OKAY. Help her work through THAT.

PS, sure, complain about the cry board thing. It’s gross. But it’s not really relevant to the failing grade except that you want to maybe leverage it to weaken the teacher and get a grade that doesn’t reflect completed coursework.

PPS I would even go so far as to say that if she is outraged about the cry board thing and wants to take a stand on that for the sake of herself and future students, wonderful. Advocacy is important. To be a good advocate on that she needs to drop the grade appeal unless she’s finished the required coursework, because having a request to change the grade clouds the water on the cry board thing. Is it about one, or the other? She’d be a stronger advocate on the cry board thing without the grade issue. Take the fail, recover it the right way.

F*** this. Oh hellllllllll no. This person should not see the inside of a classroom ever again. I say that as a teacher.

I am livid for you OP.

Last time I’m going to try this.

Can we get more info first? Before the pitchforks come out, talk to the teacher.

I’m also a teacher. Yes, I absolutely believe that this could be true. I just haven’t read anything on this thread yet that justifies a huge take-down.

I know a teacher who had her reputation destroyed by a parent who was working on false information. Get the facts first. Always.

How will OP feel if she takes this to the board before talking to the teacher, only to have new info revealed?

Where did I say she shouldn't talk to the teacher??

Read the post I am actually responding to.

I was responding to this:
“F*** this. Oh hellllllllll no. This person should not see the inside of a classroom ever again. I say that as a teacher.

I am livid for you OP.”

Or should go higher in this sub thread, where there is a reference to “weaken[ing] the teacher”?

This thread is filled with calls to take the teacher down.

I’ve seen this happen to an innocent teacher. Someone on this thread has to remind people how altercations SHOULD be handled.

If OP can get into the teacher’s classroom to talk in person. Otherwise, the teacher has a chance to remove the evidence and claim the student misunderstood. If there’s no cry board, it shouldn’t be a problem, yes?

The fact that this teacher did not cut this student - a ninth grader with multiple disabilities who endured a hospitalization with a chronic disorder - some slack makes me much less likely to give her the benefit of the doubt on anything.

If the OP cannot meet with the teacher in person with another admin present, preferably in her classroom, then OP is well within reason to meet with admin without the teacher and lay out the situation. The teacher should not be allowed to dodge this.

You do hear this tone, correct? That the teacher is already guilty?

I’ve ONLY asked that the teacher be included in a conversation. Again: I have seen an innocent teacher destroyed because a parent took a false story to admin and above. She was proven innocent later, but the damage was done. I’m now sensitive to witch-hunts.

The student very well may be correct here and should be supported. Any effort to take the teacher down or “weaken the teacher” shouldn’t occur until AFTER a conversation with the teacher and admin.

I’m an innocent-until-guilty believer, but I suppose many aren’t.

I don’t think you’re wrong in principle, but I think you’re being incredibly naive regarding the lengths that teachers and and admins will go to ignore or even cover up malfeasance. The circumstances and video strongly suggest malfeasance occurred, and the OP should absolutely be careful to not give the school an opportunity to destroy evidence or sweep the incidents under the rug.

I’m the PP you are responding to. I’ve taught for over 20 years, so I’m definitely not naive. I’ve had my own child bullied by a teacher and I have had to report a coworker for bullying a child. I KNOW what some teachers are capable of.

I’ve also had many, many students lie to me. I’ve also had many parents lie to me.

Nobody on this thread know what happened. The references to video evidence? Nobody here has actually seen it.

And to the poster who asked me about molestation: I have had to make those calls to CPS multiple times. This is NOT that situation. We don’t even know what this situation really is.

So then you presumably understand the need to take steps to prevent the this teacher from covering up the actions she's been accused of, right?

I’d simply be happy if we weren’t starting with assumptions of guilt.

If it’s already on video, what’s there to cover up? Take the video to the school and sit with admin and the teacher. Watch the video and then discuss. Perhaps the video shows exactly what OP thinks it shows. Perhaps the video shows something MUCH more benign, and the rest is interpretation.

That’s the most appropriate way to handle this.

The problem with that is that you can't realistically set up such a meeting without giving the teacher an opportunity to remove evidence or spin events before you're able to talk to the principal. Getting a meeting with the principal first, and then hearing from the teacher, is the most appropriate way to handle it.

I think this still assumes guilt, but I’d be fine with this. The teacher I know didn’t even get this.

It doesn’t *assume* guilt. It acknowledges guilt is a possibility.

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Anonymous wrote:Students also lie, embellish, and twist stories, too. There needs to be an investigation on both sides. This student could just be a pot-stirrer, too. The cry room may be for a student to collect themselves. The student must have been a very poor student to be failing a photography class. The admin should investigate how many days the student truly missed and what is going on in the other classes. Students are turning into bullies now with cameras. They try to create false narratives about teachers to suit their agenda. One must be careful to place total blame on the teacher. How many attempts were offered to the student and work is still not turned in? Different rules can’t be created for one student. Either the student deserves an incomplete or an F. Which is it? I find it hard to believe that this is some stellar student.

Schools absolutely make various accommodations for individual students. Do you know what an IEP is?

And yes, there’s a need to investigate. But you don't give suspects an opportunity to destroy evidence during investigations. The pp claiming to be a teacher that has been suggesting that the OP needs to talk to the teacher is being incredibly naive. Either that or she believes the OP and wants a cover-up.

This thread had jumped the shark.

I’m one of 2 (at least) posters who are saying to involve the teacher in the conversation.

This is getting silly. It’s presumably already on video. What is there to cover up, and why would I WANT a cover up?

I just don’t approve of taking people down without an investigation. I’ve seen that happen to a teacher who was 100% innocent of the allegations against her.

Just talk to admin and the teacher. Why does this need to be a big deal?

Who is saying there shouldn’t be an investigation?

The posters saying to post this directly on social media.

Sometimes that’s what it takes to get an investigation.

So you’re suggesting starting there? Not contacting the teacher or the school at all? Not even trying?

This is how reputations are ruined. What if the teacher isn’t guilty of this, and the video doesn’t show what the student claims it does? Then the teacher’s reputation is unnecessarily damaged and the OP’s reputation is destroyed.