The state of MCPS is atrocious

[Anonymous]

I was in Catholic school in the 80s. Discipline was serious bordering on criminal. Misbehaving kids picked up and physically thrown into hallways or out the front door. Students locked into closets. And things we whispered out later turned out to be true.

Going private? Nope.

[Anonymous]

We moved our kids from MCPS to private 2 years ago and haven't looked back. $104k is a big stretch for us, but it's worth it, and this thread only confirms that.

I feel bad for the kids who aren't as lucky.

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Anonymous wrote:I was in Catholic school in the 80s. Discipline was serious bordering on criminal. Misbehaving kids picked up and physically thrown into hallways or out the front door. Students locked into closets. And things we whispered out later turned out to be true.

Going private? Nope.

I'm not a big defender of private schools, but you are talking about the 80s when this kind of thing was more accepted.

Also public schools in the south still allow corporal punishment, and there are stories of misbehaving kids put in closets today in public schools.

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Anonymous wrote:I work in a Title One elementary school in MCPS. Our behaviors are off the charts this year. I honestly don't know how our admin continues to come to work each day. They constantly have kids in their offices. Even our staff development teacher, reading specialist, math coach AND both counselors are constantly with kids displaying behavior issues or eloping class. Admin can't suspend kids for running the halls, even in elementary school. I feel bad for our core team above because they can't do their actual jobs as they basically play security all day. I have some difficult kids but at least I can close my classroom door and ignore the chaos that's unfolding in rooms across the school.
Parents need to wake up and start parenting their kids rather than ignoring them on their phones or trying to be their friend. I applaud all of you who are trying your best to do right by your kids. Raise hell with the county council and board of ed. Your neighborhood school's principal can't do anything to make the changes we need to see.

You all need to work with the parents and let them know what's going on and have parents come in and volunteer and help vs. complaining. This isn't something new. Even before covid, may schools were closed to parents and yet, the teachers and admin complained bitterly about the parents. We cannot help if we don't know what's going on. Kids behave differently so they may be behaving at home and not school so if that's the situation it's on the teachers to communicate. We'd email the teachers and rarely get a response back.

Please point out where I said we were NOT calling parents on a daily basis about their child's behaviors? We do call and we either get sent to voicemail or cussed out and called racist. Trust me, teachers are trying everything under the sun.

Parents who curse out school staff and admin should suffer repercussions. The government, which funds and runs MCPS, needs to start holding people accountable for this stuff.

Repercussions? Like taking away the recess they don’t get? What exactly do you think MCPS can do to parents who aren’t breaking a law?

Documentation on the parent's behavior would be a start. And then don't be afraid to call the police. Parents who come shouting and hollering can and do get charged for disorderly conduct and aggressive encounters with school staff.

It just happened in Florida over a father who got aggressive with a bus aide: https://nypost.com/2023/05/09/florida-dad-attacks-school-worker-after-son-banned-from-riding-from-bus/

Document, call the police, hold the aggressive, violent parents accountable.

Yes, hitting school staff should be reported. Attempting to report missed phone calls and raised voices is a waste of everyone’s time.

Look at the other examples I posted as well. Parents who yelled and cursed also got police called on them.

Read them again— verbal threats. I strongly suspect they were told to leave as well. And the police certainly isn’t going to respond to a complaint about someone yelling over the phone.

Yes, obviously in-person is what I'm referencing for disorderly conduct. But that applies to the poster who said the mom showed up at the school "enraged" and cursing at them cause her daughter was in the ER. That sounds like a disorderly conduct charge to me.

If that’s all she did, then it isn’t disorderly conduct. That’s more than just being “mean.”

Definitely call the police and report back!

Ever sense they removed the SROs it's like MCPD is purposefully neglecting to enforce laws at our schools.

It's like ever since they removed t he SROs your brain cells died.

Nah, I think MCPD is being spiteful to retaliate unfortunately this puts our kids at risk.

It does seem like ever since Elrich got rid of the cushy SRO jobs they started ignoring schools as retaliation. People say the bathrooms at some schools are open air drug marts but the cops do nothing.

yea, cause Elrich and his progressive minions don't want cops to do their job.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I was in Catholic school in the 80s. Discipline was serious bordering on criminal. Misbehaving kids picked up and physically thrown into hallways or out the front door. Students locked into closets. And things we whispered out later turned out to be true.

Going private? Nope.

I'm not a big defender of private schools, but you are talking about the 80s when this kind of thing was more accepted.

Also public schools in the south still allow corporal punishment, and there are stories of misbehaving kids put in closets today in public schools.

You think only schools in the south allow corporal punishment?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I was in Catholic school in the 80s. Discipline was serious bordering on criminal. Misbehaving kids picked up and physically thrown into hallways or out the front door. Students locked into closets. And things we whispered out later turned out to be true.

Going private? Nope.

Our experience is about the opposite of yours, with an out-of-control public school and a disciplined private. We consider going private the best decision we could make for our family.

That’s just our experience, however. You simply can’t make judgments about all schools.

[Anonymous]

You get what you vote for. The people whom most of us voted for (I didn't) did the following in an attempt to help poor black and brown kids:
1. Got rid of SROs
2. Instituted Restorative Justice
3. Implemented the 50 percent rule
These things actually made things worse especially for the kids they were trying to help...unless they never wanted to help them in the first place. Teachers and parents with means will just leave, leaving behind schools that actually do need help. And these aren't the W schools.

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Anonymous wrote:I was in Catholic school in the 80s. Discipline was serious bordering on criminal. Misbehaving kids picked up and physically thrown into hallways or out the front door. Students locked into closets. And things we whispered out later turned out to be true.

Going private? Nope.

I'm not a big defender of private schools, but you are talking about the 80s when this kind of thing was more accepted.

Also public schools in the south still allow corporal punishment, and there are stories of misbehaving kids put in closets today in public schools.

You think only schools in the south allow corporal punishment?

Yes, for the most part, it's the southern (and red) states.

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Anonymous wrote:I work in a Title One elementary school in MCPS. Our behaviors are off the charts this year. I honestly don't know how our admin continues to come to work each day. They constantly have kids in their offices. Even our staff development teacher, reading specialist, math coach AND both counselors are constantly with kids displaying behavior issues or eloping class. Admin can't suspend kids for running the halls, even in elementary school. I feel bad for our core team above because they can't do their actual jobs as they basically play security all day. I have some difficult kids but at least I can close my classroom door and ignore the chaos that's unfolding in rooms across the school.
Parents need to wake up and start parenting their kids rather than ignoring them on their phones or trying to be their friend. I applaud all of you who are trying your best to do right by your kids. Raise hell with the county council and board of ed. Your neighborhood school's principal can't do anything to make the changes we need to see.

You all need to work with the parents and let them know what's going on and have parents come in and volunteer and help vs. complaining. This isn't something new. Even before covid, may schools were closed to parents and yet, the teachers and admin complained bitterly about the parents. We cannot help if we don't know what's going on. Kids behave differently so they may be behaving at home and not school so if that's the situation it's on the teachers to communicate. We'd email the teachers and rarely get a response back.

Please point out where I said we were NOT calling parents on a daily basis about their child's behaviors? We do call and we either get sent to voicemail or cussed out and called racist. Trust me, teachers are trying everything under the sun.

Parents who curse out school staff and admin should suffer repercussions. The government, which funds and runs MCPS, needs to start holding people accountable for this stuff.

Repercussions? Like taking away the recess they don’t get? What exactly do you think MCPS can do to parents who aren’t breaking a law?

Documentation on the parent's behavior would be a start. And then don't be afraid to call the police. Parents who come shouting and hollering can and do get charged for disorderly conduct and aggressive encounters with school staff.

It just happened in Florida over a father who got aggressive with a bus aide: https://nypost.com/2023/05/09/florida-dad-attacks-school-worker-after-son-banned-from-riding-from-bus/

Document, call the police, hold the aggressive, violent parents accountable.

Yes, hitting school staff should be reported. Attempting to report missed phone calls and raised voices is a waste of everyone’s time.

Look at the other examples I posted as well. Parents who yelled and cursed also got police called on them.

Read them again— verbal threats. I strongly suspect they were told to leave as well. And the police certainly isn’t going to respond to a complaint about someone yelling over the phone.

Yes, obviously in-person is what I'm referencing for disorderly conduct. But that applies to the poster who said the mom showed up at the school "enraged" and cursing at them cause her daughter was in the ER. That sounds like a disorderly conduct charge to me.

If that’s all she did, then it isn’t disorderly conduct. That’s more than just being “mean.”

Definitely call the police and report back!

Ever sense they removed the SROs it's like MCPD is purposefully neglecting to enforce laws at our schools.

It's like ever since they removed t he SROs your brain cells died.

Nah, I think MCPD is being spiteful to retaliate unfortunately this puts our kids at risk.

It does seem like ever since Elrich got rid of the cushy SRO jobs they started ignoring schools as retaliation. People say the bathrooms at some schools are open air drug marts but the cops do nothing.

yea, cause Elrich and his progressive minions don't want cops to do their job.

It doesn't matter what Elrich wants. MCPD has an obligation to do their job.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You get what you vote for. The people whom most of us voted for (I didn't) did the following in an attempt to help poor black and brown kids:
1. Got rid of SROs
2. Instituted Restorative Justice
3. Implemented the 50 percent rule
These things actually made things worse especially for the kids they were trying to help...unless they never wanted to help them in the first place. Teachers and parents with means will just leave, leaving behind schools that actually do need help. And these aren't the W schools.

Those seem like mostly positive changes. Further, all the detentions and suspensions that have been reported here recently mean your narrative is false and misleading.

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Anonymous wrote:I work in a Title One elementary school in MCPS. Our behaviors are off the charts this year. I honestly don't know how our admin continues to come to work each day. They constantly have kids in their offices. Even our staff development teacher, reading specialist, math coach AND both counselors are constantly with kids displaying behavior issues or eloping class. Admin can't suspend kids for running the halls, even in elementary school. I feel bad for our core team above because they can't do their actual jobs as they basically play security all day. I have some difficult kids but at least I can close my classroom door and ignore the chaos that's unfolding in rooms across the school.
Parents need to wake up and start parenting their kids rather than ignoring them on their phones or trying to be their friend. I applaud all of you who are trying your best to do right by your kids. Raise hell with the county council and board of ed. Your neighborhood school's principal can't do anything to make the changes we need to see.

You all need to work with the parents and let them know what's going on and have parents come in and volunteer and help vs. complaining. This isn't something new. Even before covid, may schools were closed to parents and yet, the teachers and admin complained bitterly about the parents. We cannot help if we don't know what's going on. Kids behave differently so they may be behaving at home and not school so if that's the situation it's on the teachers to communicate. We'd email the teachers and rarely get a response back.

Please point out where I said we were NOT calling parents on a daily basis about their child's behaviors? We do call and we either get sent to voicemail or cussed out and called racist. Trust me, teachers are trying everything under the sun.

Parents who curse out school staff and admin should suffer repercussions. The government, which funds and runs MCPS, needs to start holding people accountable for this stuff.

Repercussions? Like taking away the recess they don’t get? What exactly do you think MCPS can do to parents who aren’t breaking a law?

Documentation on the parent's behavior would be a start. And then don't be afraid to call the police. Parents who come shouting and hollering can and do get charged for disorderly conduct and aggressive encounters with school staff.

It just happened in Florida over a father who got aggressive with a bus aide: https://nypost.com/2023/05/09/florida-dad-attacks-school-worker-after-son-banned-from-riding-from-bus/

Document, call the police, hold the aggressive, violent parents accountable.

Yes, hitting school staff should be reported. Attempting to report missed phone calls and raised voices is a waste of everyone’s time.

Look at the other examples I posted as well. Parents who yelled and cursed also got police called on them.

Read them again— verbal threats. I strongly suspect they were told to leave as well. And the police certainly isn’t going to respond to a complaint about someone yelling over the phone.

Yes, obviously in-person is what I'm referencing for disorderly conduct. But that applies to the poster who said the mom showed up at the school "enraged" and cursing at them cause her daughter was in the ER. That sounds like a disorderly conduct charge to me.

If that’s all she did, then it isn’t disorderly conduct. That’s more than just being “mean.”

Definitely call the police and report back!

Ever sense they removed the SROs it's like MCPD is purposefully neglecting to enforce laws at our schools.

It's like ever since they removed t he SROs your brain cells died.

Nah, I think MCPD is being spiteful to retaliate unfortunately this puts our kids at risk.

It does seem like ever since Elrich got rid of the cushy SRO jobs they started ignoring schools as retaliation. People say the bathrooms at some schools are open air drug marts but the cops do nothing.

NAILED IT!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Teachers need legal immunity to whoop some ass. Bring back public switching. Fail out any kid with more than 10 absences.

Kids that can't even read or write a paragraph in AP courses according to that discussion. Absolutely absurd. And they'll push trash students onto universities who'll be forced to water down their standards for these lowlifes in the classroom.

Whip some ass.

You seem to have anger issues and an inability to control yourself.

I assure you that you are no better than the lowlifes you complain about.

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Anonymous wrote:I work in a Title One elementary school in MCPS. Our behaviors are off the charts this year. I honestly don't know how our admin continues to come to work each day. They constantly have kids in their offices. Even our staff development teacher, reading specialist, math coach AND both counselors are constantly with kids displaying behavior issues or eloping class. Admin can't suspend kids for running the halls, even in elementary school. I feel bad for our core team above because they can't do their actual jobs as they basically play security all day. I have some difficult kids but at least I can close my classroom door and ignore the chaos that's unfolding in rooms across the school.
Parents need to wake up and start parenting their kids rather than ignoring them on their phones or trying to be their friend. I applaud all of you who are trying your best to do right by your kids. Raise hell with the county council and board of ed. Your neighborhood school's principal can't do anything to make the changes we need to see.

You all need to work with the parents and let them know what's going on and have parents come in and volunteer and help vs. complaining. This isn't something new. Even before covid, may schools were closed to parents and yet, the teachers and admin complained bitterly about the parents. We cannot help if we don't know what's going on. Kids behave differently so they may be behaving at home and not school so if that's the situation it's on the teachers to communicate. We'd email the teachers and rarely get a response back.

Please point out where I said we were NOT calling parents on a daily basis about their child's behaviors? We do call and we either get sent to voicemail or cussed out and called racist. Trust me, teachers are trying everything under the sun.

Parents who curse out school staff and admin should suffer repercussions. The government, which funds and runs MCPS, needs to start holding people accountable for this stuff.

Repercussions? Like taking away the recess they don’t get? What exactly do you think MCPS can do to parents who aren’t breaking a law?

Documentation on the parent's behavior would be a start. And then don't be afraid to call the police. Parents who come shouting and hollering can and do get charged for disorderly conduct and aggressive encounters with school staff.

It just happened in Florida over a father who got aggressive with a bus aide: https://nypost.com/2023/05/09/florida-dad-attacks-school-worker-after-son-banned-from-riding-from-bus/

Document, call the police, hold the aggressive, violent parents accountable.

Yes, hitting school staff should be reported. Attempting to report missed phone calls and raised voices is a waste of everyone’s time.

Look at the other examples I posted as well. Parents who yelled and cursed also got police called on them.

Read them again— verbal threats. I strongly suspect they were told to leave as well. And the police certainly isn’t going to respond to a complaint about someone yelling over the phone.

Yes, obviously in-person is what I'm referencing for disorderly conduct. But that applies to the poster who said the mom showed up at the school "enraged" and cursing at them cause her daughter was in the ER. That sounds like a disorderly conduct charge to me.

If that’s all she did, then it isn’t disorderly conduct. That’s more than just being “mean.”

Definitely call the police and report back!

Ever sense they removed the SROs it's like MCPD is purposefully neglecting to enforce laws at our schools.

It's like ever since they removed t he SROs your brain cells died.

Nah, I think MCPD is being spiteful to retaliate unfortunately this puts our kids at risk.

It does seem like ever since Elrich got rid of the cushy SRO jobs they started ignoring schools as retaliation. People say the bathrooms at some schools are open air drug marts but the cops do nothing.

yea, cause Elrich and his progressive minions don't want cops to do their job.

It doesn't matter what Elrich wants. MCPD has an obligation to do their job.

Spoken like someone who doesn’t understand the political climate.

Elrich and the council absolutely get to determine how much police can do their job.

Upthread someone complained police aren’t keeping eyes on bathrooms. They can’t. The new SRO model keeps officers from patrolling schools. That’s on the politicians. It isn’t MCPD failing to do their job. It’s MCPD doing only what they are allowed to do.

(If Jawando’s new plan passes, expect everyone on DCUM to be complaining that police aren’t stopping cars for low-level offenses. MCPD will be accused of being lazy, but it’s really the fact politicians are forcing police NOT to act.)

This is 100% on the county. If you don’t see that, then you aren’t paying attention.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You get what you vote for. The people whom most of us voted for (I didn't) did the following in an attempt to help poor black and brown kids:
1. Got rid of SROs
2. Instituted Restorative Justice
3. Implemented the 50 percent rule
These things actually made things worse especially for the kids they were trying to help...unless they never wanted to help them in the first place. Teachers and parents with means will just leave, leaving behind schools that actually do need help. And these aren't the W schools.

Those seem like mostly positive changes. Further, all the detentions and suspensions that have been reported here recently mean your narrative is false and misleading.

You've got your head in the sand. Yes, suspensions and detentions are still happening but not nearly as much as they should be. The idea of RJ is to reduce suspension rates which is forcing schools to do everything possible not to suspend kids even when they need to be. If you think all those were positive changes then tell me what you think is causing the increase in fights, disrespectful behavior, lack of discipline in the schools? Why are teachers wanting to leave the system?

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Anonymous wrote:I work in a Title One elementary school in MCPS. Our behaviors are off the charts this year. I honestly don't know how our admin continues to come to work each day. They constantly have kids in their offices. Even our staff development teacher, reading specialist, math coach AND both counselors are constantly with kids displaying behavior issues or eloping class. Admin can't suspend kids for running the halls, even in elementary school. I feel bad for our core team above because they can't do their actual jobs as they basically play security all day. I have some difficult kids but at least I can close my classroom door and ignore the chaos that's unfolding in rooms across the school.
Parents need to wake up and start parenting their kids rather than ignoring them on their phones or trying to be their friend. I applaud all of you who are trying your best to do right by your kids. Raise hell with the county council and board of ed. Your neighborhood school's principal can't do anything to make the changes we need to see.

You all need to work with the parents and let them know what's going on and have parents come in and volunteer and help vs. complaining. This isn't something new. Even before covid, may schools were closed to parents and yet, the teachers and admin complained bitterly about the parents. We cannot help if we don't know what's going on. Kids behave differently so they may be behaving at home and not school so if that's the situation it's on the teachers to communicate. We'd email the teachers and rarely get a response back.

Please point out where I said we were NOT calling parents on a daily basis about their child's behaviors? We do call and we either get sent to voicemail or cussed out and called racist. Trust me, teachers are trying everything under the sun.

Parents who curse out school staff and admin should suffer repercussions. The government, which funds and runs MCPS, needs to start holding people accountable for this stuff.

Repercussions? Like taking away the recess they don’t get? What exactly do you think MCPS can do to parents who aren’t breaking a law?

Documentation on the parent's behavior would be a start. And then don't be afraid to call the police. Parents who come shouting and hollering can and do get charged for disorderly conduct and aggressive encounters with school staff.

It just happened in Florida over a father who got aggressive with a bus aide: https://nypost.com/2023/05/09/florida-dad-attacks-school-worker-after-son-banned-from-riding-from-bus/

Document, call the police, hold the aggressive, violent parents accountable.

Yes, hitting school staff should be reported. Attempting to report missed phone calls and raised voices is a waste of everyone’s time.

Look at the other examples I posted as well. Parents who yelled and cursed also got police called on them.

Read them again— verbal threats. I strongly suspect they were told to leave as well. And the police certainly isn’t going to respond to a complaint about someone yelling over the phone.

Yes, obviously in-person is what I'm referencing for disorderly conduct. But that applies to the poster who said the mom showed up at the school "enraged" and cursing at them cause her daughter was in the ER. That sounds like a disorderly conduct charge to me.

If that’s all she did, then it isn’t disorderly conduct. That’s more than just being “mean.”

Definitely call the police and report back!

Ever sense they removed the SROs it's like MCPD is purposefully neglecting to enforce laws at our schools.

It's like ever since they removed t he SROs your brain cells died.

Nah, I think MCPD is being spiteful to retaliate unfortunately this puts our kids at risk.

It does seem like ever since Elrich got rid of the cushy SRO jobs they started ignoring schools as retaliation. People say the bathrooms at some schools are open air drug marts but the cops do nothing.

yea, cause Elrich and his progressive minions don't want cops to do their job.

It doesn't matter what Elrich wants. MCPD has an obligation to do their job.

That's the bottom line here. MCPD is failing our children.