Gilmore Girls? What am I missing?

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My mom and I were never close and so I found it kind of painful to watch. I went on the Warner Bros studio tour in LA and they have a huge Gilmore Girls section and people were OBSESSED

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Anonymous wrote:It’s not woke enough today

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If you enjoy diversity, it is not the show for you

Most popular shows today aren’t diverse. These may not be your favorite shows. Schitt’s Creek is lily white.

NP. So the town residents (and recurring characters) played by a black woman, an Indian-Canadian man, and a Turkish-Canadian man, don't count? The show's leads are white, but "lily white" sounds as if there's not a single non-white person in the whole recurring cast. I'm not a Schitt's Creek superfan here to defend it, I just know that I immediately recalled several characters of color even though I only watched it pretty casually, and quite a while ago now.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t think teen mothers’ relationships IRL tend to be healthier than what’s depicted in this show.

Woah, thats not true at all! If the Lorelai/Rory relationship look like the norm to you, it may be beneficial to speak with a parent coach or therapist. I'm serious.

I meant that the relationships between moms who were teen mothers (in other words, had a baby while they were a teenager) and their children tend to be very unhealthy, in my experience. And I have seen that many times over.

How many of those teen mothers, from your experience, come from very wealthy homes and are highly intelligent?

NP. While that’s true. Lorelei had pretty bad boundaries with Rory.

She started expressing boundaries when Rory became more enmeshed in her parents' world - Emily and Richard's world - and then their relationship blew up for a while. They effectively operated as a single unit up until then - and it was a rough transition for them both when Rory started enjoying being a rich brat.

I wonder what more boundaries would have looked like when Rory was younger?

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Anonymous wrote:Even though this discussion has gone a little wacky, there are some good points here. I don't think it holds up well. Rory was more compelling as a young girl than as a grown woman.

She was more mature as a 16 y/o than she was in her 30s.

I agree. The problem wasn't that she was a floundering 30 something in AYITL. The problem was that she was a 30 something who was a horrible person - carrying on an affair, treating her supposed boyfriend horribly, squandering career opportunities because she felt like she was too good...
You know, I'd rather see a fully formed character who was successful and still kind. She could still be interesting. Not just omg, life is so rough postgrad, we all go through this!

30 isn't exactly post-grad! But I think a series where Rory actually finally starts to struggle with life as an adult - not as a precocious child - is pretty interesting. And we SORT of got that in AYITL. I think the problem - and this is always the problem with Rory - is that ASP doesn't see her as deeply flawed and problematic like viewers do. So we see her struggle to find herself, but I think we're always supposed to be on her side, if that makes sense? Like I think we're supposed to think she's too good for the job she turns down, too. I think? I don't know what we're supposed to make of her affair, or of the fact she has a boyfriend who she can't remember exists. Are we supposed to think that this is the hard stuff of life and everything she's doing is normal, or that she's become morally bankrupt but will come out of it, or that everything is actually fine? I really don't know!

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Anonymous wrote:Even though this discussion has gone a little wacky, there are some good points here. I don't think it holds up well. Rory was more compelling as a young girl than as a grown woman.

She was more mature as a 16 y/o than she was in her 30s.

I agree. The problem wasn't that she was a floundering 30 something in AYITL. The problem was that she was a 30 something who was a horrible person - carrying on an affair, treating her supposed boyfriend horribly, squandering career opportunities because she felt like she was too good...
You know, I'd rather see a fully formed character who was successful and still kind. She could still be interesting. Not just omg, life is so rough postgrad, we all go through this!

30 isn't exactly post-grad! But I think a series where Rory actually finally starts to struggle with life as an adult - not as a precocious child - is pretty interesting. And we SORT of got that in AYITL. I think the problem - and this is always the problem with Rory - is that ASP doesn't see her as deeply flawed and problematic like viewers do. So we see her struggle to find herself, but I think we're always supposed to be on her side, if that makes sense? Like I think we're supposed to think she's too good for the job she turns down, too. I think? I don't know what we're supposed to make of her affair, or of the fact she has a boyfriend who she can't remember exists. Are we supposed to think that this is the hard stuff of life and everything she's doing is normal, or that she's become morally bankrupt but will come out of it, or that everything is actually fine? I really don't know!

No no no. She's just human. She's not morally bankrupt. She realizes she missed out on someone she loves because the timing was never right and his family did not consider her good enough. She's not in love with her "boyfriend", and both of them are at fault for not seeing sooner that it wasn't working. The teen rebel who was in love with her was messed up and took his sweet time to grow up.

It's a portrayal of life and what could have been and what is. There are no bad guys here. Everyone is trying to do the best they can, with conflicting interests and desires.

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Anonymous wrote:Even though this discussion has gone a little wacky, there are some good points here. I don't think it holds up well. Rory was more compelling as a young girl than as a grown woman.

She was more mature as a 16 y/o than she was in her 30s.

I agree. The problem wasn't that she was a floundering 30 something in AYITL. The problem was that she was a 30 something who was a horrible person - carrying on an affair, treating her supposed boyfriend horribly, squandering career opportunities because she felt like she was too good...
You know, I'd rather see a fully formed character who was successful and still kind. She could still be interesting. Not just omg, life is so rough postgrad, we all go through this!

30 isn't exactly post-grad! But I think a series where Rory actually finally starts to struggle with life as an adult - not as a precocious child - is pretty interesting. And we SORT of got that in AYITL. I think the problem - and this is always the problem with Rory - is that ASP doesn't see her as deeply flawed and problematic like viewers do. So we see her struggle to find herself, but I think we're always supposed to be on her side, if that makes sense? Like I think we're supposed to think she's too good for the job she turns down, too. I think? I don't know what we're supposed to make of her affair, or of the fact she has a boyfriend who she can't remember exists. Are we supposed to think that this is the hard stuff of life and everything she's doing is normal, or that she's become morally bankrupt but will come out of it, or that everything is actually fine? I really don't know!

No no no. She's just human. She's not morally bankrupt. She realizes she missed out on someone she loves because the timing was never right and his family did not consider her good enough. She's not in love with her "boyfriend", and both of them are at fault for not seeing sooner that it wasn't working. The teen rebel who was in love with her was messed up and took his sweet time to grow up.

It's a portrayal of life and what could have been and what is. There are no bad guys here. Everyone is trying to do the best they can, with conflicting interests and desires.

I guess that's it, isn't it! Do we see her as doing the best she can, or don't we. I think adult Rory really isn't doing the best she can. She's still sort of drifting around, acting entitled and put out, sleeping with her ex even though he's engaged to someone else, ignoring the guy she is with. And look, I was a very late bloomer who made some VERY bad choices myself, including sleeping with lots of the wrong people, treating people badly, and not really knowing how to support myself. So it's not like I find that unrelatable.

Maybe I jsut talked myself into seeing Rory your way.

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My 80-year-old mom just started watching this on reruns and it cracks me up. She loves it.

I was sad to find that by the end I didn't really like Rory anymore, and I was therefore disappointed with how Lorelei parented, but that's how life is. I'm not sure how the show runners wanted us to feel about them and I think that's a failure on their part. But I will always watch if I flip past a rerun.

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Anonymous wrote:Even though this discussion has gone a little wacky, there are some good points here. I don't think it holds up well. Rory was more compelling as a young girl than as a grown woman.

She was more mature as a 16 y/o than she was in her 30s.

I agree. The problem wasn't that she was a floundering 30 something in AYITL. The problem was that she was a 30 something who was a horrible person - carrying on an affair, treating her supposed boyfriend horribly, squandering career opportunities because she felt like she was too good...
You know, I'd rather see a fully formed character who was successful and still kind. She could still be interesting. Not just omg, life is so rough postgrad, we all go through this!

She also slept with a wookie!

30 isn't exactly post-grad! But I think a series where Rory actually finally starts to struggle with life as an adult - not as a precocious child - is pretty interesting. And we SORT of got that in AYITL. I think the problem - and this is always the problem with Rory - is that ASP doesn't see her as deeply flawed and problematic like viewers do. So we see her struggle to find herself, but I think we're always supposed to be on her side, if that makes sense? Like I think we're supposed to think she's too good for the job she turns down, too. I think? I don't know what we're supposed to make of her affair, or of the fact she has a boyfriend who she can't remember exists. Are we supposed to think that this is the hard stuff of life and everything she's doing is normal, or that she's become morally bankrupt but will come out of it, or that everything is actually fine? I really don't know!

No no no. She's just human. She's not morally bankrupt. She realizes she missed out on someone she loves because the timing was never right and his family did not consider her good enough. She's not in love with her "boyfriend", and both of them are at fault for not seeing sooner that it wasn't working. The teen rebel who was in love with her was messed up and took his sweet time to grow up.

It's a portrayal of life and what could have been and what is. There are no bad guys here. Everyone is trying to do the best they can, with conflicting interests and desires.

I guess that's it, isn't it! Do we see her as doing the best she can, or don't we. I think adult Rory really isn't doing the best she can. She's still sort of drifting around, acting entitled and put out, sleeping with her ex even though he's engaged to someone else, ignoring the guy she is with. And look, I was a very late bloomer who made some VERY bad choices myself, including sleeping with lots of the wrong people, treating people badly, and not really knowing how to support myself. So it's not like I find that unrelatable.

Maybe I jsut talked myself into seeing Rory your way.

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Anonymous wrote:Even though this discussion has gone a little wacky, there are some good points here. I don't think it holds up well. Rory was more compelling as a young girl than as a grown woman.

She was more mature as a 16 y/o than she was in her 30s.

I agree. The problem wasn't that she was a floundering 30 something in AYITL. The problem was that she was a 30 something who was a horrible person - carrying on an affair, treating her supposed boyfriend horribly, squandering career opportunities because she felt like she was too good...
You know, I'd rather see a fully formed character who was successful and still kind. She could still be interesting. Not just omg, life is so rough postgrad, we all go through this!

30 isn't exactly post-grad! But I think a series where Rory actually finally starts to struggle with life as an adult - not as a precocious child - is pretty interesting. And we SORT of got that in AYITL. I think the problem - and this is always the problem with Rory - is that ASP doesn't see her as deeply flawed and problematic like viewers do. So we see her struggle to find herself, but I think we're always supposed to be on her side, if that makes sense? Like I think we're supposed to think she's too good for the job she turns down, too. I think? I don't know what we're supposed to make of her affair, or of the fact she has a boyfriend who she can't remember exists. Are we supposed to think that this is the hard stuff of life and everything she's doing is normal, or that she's become morally bankrupt but will come out of it, or that everything is actually fine? I really don't know!

No no no. She's just human. She's not morally bankrupt. She realizes she missed out on someone she loves because the timing was never right and his family did not consider her good enough. She's not in love with her "boyfriend", and both of them are at fault for not seeing sooner that it wasn't working. The teen rebel who was in love with her was messed up and took his sweet time to grow up.

It's a portrayal of life and what could have been and what is. There are no bad guys here. Everyone is trying to do the best they can, with conflicting interests and desires.

I guess that's it, isn't it! Do we see her as doing the best she can, or don't we. I think adult Rory really isn't doing the best she can. She's still sort of drifting around, acting entitled and put out, sleeping with her ex even though he's engaged to someone else, ignoring the guy she is with. And look, I was a very late bloomer who made some VERY bad choices myself, including sleeping with lots of the wrong people, treating people badly, and not really knowing how to support myself. So it's not like I find that unrelatable.

Maybe I jsut talked myself into seeing Rory your way.

She also sleeps with a wookie!

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My favorite character was Kirk. I loved how he worked in every establishment.

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Anonymous wrote:My favorite character was Kirk. I loved how he worked in every establishment.

Kirk is awesome!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELS3OQUqVOE&t=145s

I liked Mary Lynn Rajskub playing guitar in random places in the background. I think that was before she was Chloe on 24.

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I thought Rory in the revival was very realistic. I went to a very well known elite private school. Everyone went to good colleges and many were superstars in their teens. Now in our late 40s? Most are doing fine, but no one is famous or living a particularly enviable life. My girl friends are a mix of SAHMs, realtors, teachers, lawyers, one was a partner at a consulting firm who quit a few years ago to spend more time with her teens/family. One owned a yoga studio for several years. There is a marine biologist which is pretty cool. Many are just like mid level director type jobs (like me). Not bad, but no one is doing anything that would make you go, wow.

It makes sense that Rory is doing....fine. That she published some good articles but is floundering a bit. That she is coming to terms that adulthood isn't one amazing ride after another. That boyfriends and loves disappoint you and you them. I thought it was totally relatable!

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Started watching reruns while nursing my daughter - and got totally sucked into the show. Was the daughter of a teen mother (married - it was long ago!) who also struggled and had to fall back on her parents after my parents divorced when I was in my teens. So very relatable - the stressed young mother who was raised in affluence, trying her best to give something like that to her daughter. My mother also graduated from college around the time I graduated from high school.

While the rest of the show was often a little too pretty, the money and education tension and the close mother-daughter and then daughter-grandparent relationship really resonated with me.

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Anonymous wrote:Even though this discussion has gone a little wacky, there are some good points here. I don't think it holds up well. Rory was more compelling as a young girl than as a grown woman.

She was more mature as a 16 y/o than she was in her 30s.

I agree. The problem wasn't that she was a floundering 30 something in AYITL. The problem was that she was a 30 something who was a horrible person - carrying on an affair, treating her supposed boyfriend horribly, squandering career opportunities because she felt like she was too good...
You know, I'd rather see a fully formed character who was successful and still kind. She could still be interesting. Not just omg, life is so rough postgrad, we all go through this!

30 isn't exactly post-grad! But I think a series where Rory actually finally starts to struggle with life as an adult - not as a precocious child - is pretty interesting. And we SORT of got that in AYITL. I think the problem - and this is always the problem with Rory - is that ASP doesn't see her as deeply flawed and problematic like viewers do. So we see her struggle to find herself, but I think we're always supposed to be on her side, if that makes sense? Like I think we're supposed to think she's too good for the job she turns down, too. I think? I don't know what we're supposed to make of her affair, or of the fact she has a boyfriend who she can't remember exists. Are we supposed to think that this is the hard stuff of life and everything she's doing is normal, or that she's become morally bankrupt but will come out of it, or that everything is actually fine? I really don't know!

No no no. She's just human. She's not morally bankrupt. She realizes she missed out on someone she loves because the timing was never right and his family did not consider her good enough. She's not in love with her "boyfriend", and both of them are at fault for not seeing sooner that it wasn't working. The teen rebel who was in love with her was messed up and took his sweet time to grow up.

It's a portrayal of life and what could have been and what is. There are no bad guys here. Everyone is trying to do the best they can, with conflicting interests and desires.

I guess that's it, isn't it! Do we see her as doing the best she can, or don't we. I think adult Rory really isn't doing the best she can. She's still sort of drifting around, acting entitled and put out, sleeping with her ex even though he's engaged to someone else, ignoring the guy she is with. And look, I was a very late bloomer who made some VERY bad choices myself, including sleeping with lots of the wrong people, treating people badly, and not really knowing how to support myself. So it's not like I find that unrelatable.

Maybe I jsut talked myself into seeing Rory your way.

She also sleeps with a wookie!

Most relatable part of her storyline, TBH

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I really liked it -- not sure I can really articulate why. I didn't realize it was so divisive!