WSJ - To Increase Equity, School Districts Eliminate Honors Classes

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Anonymous wrote:Article from WSJ today. Too bad for the schools doing this, it's much better to have all honors so all can have inflated grades.


https://www.wsj.com/articles/to-increase-equity-school-districts-eliminate-honors-classes-d5985dee

American education is getting systematically dismantled. If you care, fight.


At least that's what Fox News and its associated properties would have us believe.


I'm also skeptical because the quality of education available to my children at MCPS is vastly better than the education available at MCPS 30 years ago when I graduated from a W. Sure, the county's demographics are different today. Still, there are amazing opportunities for anyone interested.


+1000


What opportunities does my kid have if she wants to be prepared for IB English in 11th and is a strong writer? There is only one English course offered in 9th and 10th at her school unless you are an ELL student. Why can't there be more options like there are for math?
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Anonymous wrote:Article from WSJ today. Too bad for the schools doing this, it's much better to have all honors so all can have inflated grades.


https://www.wsj.com/articles/to-increase-equity-school-districts-eliminate-honors-classes-d5985dee

American education is getting systematically dismantled. If you care, fight.


At least that's what Fox News and its associated properties would have us believe.


I'm also skeptical because the quality of education available to my children at MCPS is vastly better than the education available at MCPS 30 years ago when I graduated from a W. Sure, the county's demographics are different today. Still, there are amazing opportunities for anyone interested.


+1000


What opportunities does my kid have if she wants to be prepared for IB English in 11th and is a strong writer? There is only one English course offered in 9th and 10th at her school unless you are an ELL student. Why can't there be more options like there are for math?


What gets me is that your daughter will be prepared for IB English because you will ensure is. The kid with a FT working single mom will not be prepared because her only option is “honors for all.” But if she had been placed in reals honors classes in MS she could have been prepared. I honestly cannot wrap my head around what these “progressives” theories are for how disadvantaged kids can achieve academic excellence. They are making it harder.
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Anonymous wrote:What gets me about this is that it hurts bright, motivated disadvantaged kids (and girls, in the context of STEM) the most. Advantaged kids will get tutoring and pushed into APs as soon as they are available. Bright kids without that won’t be prepared. I literally cannot - as in, cognitively do not understand - why schools are abandoning able, disadvantaged kids. I get that the radial composition of magnet/gifted programs etc was a problem. The answer to that is to create *more* gifted programs that scoop up every kid in Title 1 schools that shows academic ability and focus. It makes me tear my hair out to think about those kids.


I don’t know that you should be tearing your hair out about kids at title I schools. My kids go to a title I elementary school, and they have smaller class sizes, great teachers, and a strong peer group of smart and motivated kids.


Spare me. What happens to that “strong peer group” as time goes on? Your kids do fine (b/c you will get tutoring as needed and get them into good MS and HS programs.) The kids without that will not.


I was responding to the overwrought hand-wringing about kids based on your classist assumptions and the implication that if kids from lower socioeconomic households are not pulled out of their schools to attend magnet programs at other (I guess maybe you think better?) schools, they are somehow being failed. I’m not sure what you mean by “good MS and HS programs,” but I’m assuming you mean magnet programs. Hopefully you’ll be pleased to know that the regular middle and high schools in MCPS still have strong peer groups, and all schools offer free tutoring.

I personally think all MCPS schools should offer the classes they have in magnets as well as real honors English classes.


Yes, all kids with potenial need to be challenged. It’s truly ironic that you think it is “classist” to say so. I know parents like you. They expressly reason “my kid is smart and doesn’t need to be challenged!” Until they realize they do, and they send them to a better MS/HS.

And no, it is not a “strong peer group” to be one of 10 kids in your grade who aren’t failing the state exams.


That’s both not what I said and not what ironic means.
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Anonymous wrote:Article from WSJ today. Too bad for the schools doing this, it's much better to have all honors so all can have inflated grades.


https://www.wsj.com/articles/to-increase-equity-school-districts-eliminate-honors-classes-d5985dee

American education is getting systematically dismantled. If you care, fight.


At least that's what Fox News and its associated properties would have us believe.


I'm also skeptical because the quality of education available to my children at MCPS is vastly better than the education available at MCPS 30 years ago when I graduated from a W. Sure, the county's demographics are different today. Still, there are amazing opportunities for anyone interested.


+1000


What opportunities does my kid have if she wants to be prepared for IB English in 11th and is a strong writer? There is only one English course offered in 9th and 10th at her school unless you are an ELL student. Why can't there be more options like there are for math?


What gets me is that your daughter will be prepared for IB English because you will ensure is. The kid with a FT working single mom will not be prepared because her only option is “honors for all.” But if she had been placed in reals honors classes in MS she could have been prepared. I honestly cannot wrap my head around what these “progressives” theories are for how disadvantaged kids can achieve academic excellence. They are making it harder.


Pp here and I agree. It's counterproductive and does a disservice to all kids who could benefit from being challenged and better prepared for IB/AP coursework. I will say there is a creative writing elective for 11th and 12th graders but by then, their schedules are packed so it seems to be too little too late.
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:What gets me about this is that it hurts bright, motivated disadvantaged kids (and girls, in the context of STEM) the most. Advantaged kids will get tutoring and pushed into APs as soon as they are available. Bright kids without that won’t be prepared. I literally cannot - as in, cognitively do not understand - why schools are abandoning able, disadvantaged kids. I get that the radial composition of magnet/gifted programs etc was a problem. The answer to that is to create *more* gifted programs that scoop up every kid in Title 1 schools that shows academic ability and focus. It makes me tear my hair out to think about those kids.


I don’t know that you should be tearing your hair out about kids at title I schools. My kids go to a title I elementary school, and they have smaller class sizes, great teachers, and a strong peer group of smart and motivated kids.


Spare me. What happens to that “strong peer group” as time goes on? Your kids do fine (b/c you will get tutoring as needed and get them into good MS and HS programs.) The kids without that will not.


I was responding to the overwrought hand-wringing about kids based on your classist assumptions and the implication that if kids from lower socioeconomic households are not pulled out of their schools to attend magnet programs at other (I guess maybe you think better?) schools, they are somehow being failed. I’m not sure what you mean by “good MS and HS programs,” but I’m assuming you mean magnet programs. Hopefully you’ll be pleased to know that the regular middle and high schools in MCPS still have strong peer groups, and all schools offer free tutoring.

I personally think all MCPS schools should offer the classes they have in magnets as well as real honors English classes.


Yes, all kids with potenial need to be challenged. It’s truly ironic that you think it is “classist” to say so. I know parents like you. They expressly reason “my kid is smart and doesn’t need to be challenged!” Until they realize they do, and they send them to a better MS/HS.

And no, it is not a “strong peer group” to be one of 10 kids in your grade who aren’t failing the state exams.


That’s both not what I said and not what ironic means.


irony - defined as a state of affairs contrary to what one expects.

example: privileged parent believes she is demonstrating wokeness by sending kids to Title 1 school and advocating to get rid of gifted programs for “equity” - is actually just hoarding opportunities for own kids and blocking less advantaged kids from appropriately challenging academics.
Anonymous
This turns an English class into a one room school house in terms of ability. Huge mistake. Kids who are behind act out because they can’t keep up. Kids who are ahead act out because they are bored.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:This turns an English class into a one room school house in terms of ability. Huge mistake. Kids who are behind act out because they can’t keep up. Kids who are ahead act out because they are bored.

It's English! Not Math or Physics.
I don't see the big deal with English for all, at all.
Anonymous
I think the most frustrating part of this for me is that I am willing to fight but central office keeps making changes to course offerings that by the time parents (and even teachers) are aware, it is too late because our kids need to finalize their schedules. If my kid's teacher is frustrated that she has no course to recommend to strong writers because only one course is offered, that is a problem.
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Article from WSJ today. Too bad for the schools doing this, it's much better to have all honors so all can have inflated grades.


https://www.wsj.com/articles/to-increase-equity-school-districts-eliminate-honors-classes-d5985dee

American education is getting systematically dismantled. If you care, fight.


At least that's what Fox News and its associated properties would have us believe.


I'm also skeptical because the quality of education available to my children at MCPS is vastly better than the education available at MCPS 30 years ago when I graduated from a W. Sure, the county's demographics are different today. Still, there are amazing opportunities for anyone interested.


+1000


What opportunities does my kid have if she wants to be prepared for IB English in 11th and is a strong writer? There is only one English course offered in 9th and 10th at her school unless you are an ELL student. Why can't there be more options like there are for math?


You need to supplement.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Article from WSJ today. Too bad for the schools doing this, it's much better to have all honors so all can have inflated grades.


https://www.wsj.com/articles/to-increase-equity-school-districts-eliminate-honors-classes-d5985dee

American education is getting systematically dismantled. If you care, fight.


At least that's what Fox News and its associated properties would have us believe.


I'm also skeptical because the quality of education available to my children at MCPS is vastly better than the education available at MCPS 30 years ago when I graduated from a W. Sure, the county's demographics are different today. Still, there are amazing opportunities for anyone interested.


+1000


What opportunities does my kid have if she wants to be prepared for IB English in 11th and is a strong writer? There is only one English course offered in 9th and 10th at her school unless you are an ELL student. Why can't there be more options like there are for math?


You need to supplement.


Inequity, defined.
Anonymous
F this.

Lower the mean so no one can truly succeed is how we lose to every other nation. Especially the Chinese. How about we drill all students and remove under performance students from their families that clearly have failed them?
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Article from WSJ today. Too bad for the schools doing this, it's much better to have all honors so all can have inflated grades.


https://www.wsj.com/articles/to-increase-equity-school-districts-eliminate-honors-classes-d5985dee


Doesn't Fox News own the WSJ?

Yep. More Faux News propaganda


So, there is nothing real here, eh? What is your gold-plated news source, where you trust everything they say?

I think you are incredibly naive and close-minded to dismiss news sources because they don't confirm your bias. But you are probably the frequent poster that accuses every post critical of MCPS of being "right-wing," so we can dismiss your analysis in return.


I know! I heard about this on Tucker the other night. LIbs are so sneaky!


Are you 12? Your argumentation skills are laughable.


It’s called being dismissive of your premise. Your bad-faith “argument” isn’t worthy of consideration, let alone debate. You don’t clear the hurdle of validity.
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Anonymous wrote:Why is this on MCPS forum? The right wingers are trying hard to create chaos and destroy public schools.


No way. It's the crazy left wing that has destroyed public education in this county in the name of #Equity. That and Covid where our local leaders threw kids under the bus and kept schools closed for way longer than necessary.



Sorry, you’re going to need to come up with better excuses. This one is long expired.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Article from WSJ today. Too bad for the schools doing this, it's much better to have all honors so all can have inflated grades.


https://www.wsj.com/articles/to-increase-equity-school-districts-eliminate-honors-classes-d5985dee


Doesn't Fox News own the WSJ?

Yep. More Faux News propaganda


So, there is nothing real here, eh? What is your gold-plated news source, where you trust everything they say?

I think you are incredibly naive and close-minded to dismiss news sources because they don't confirm your bias. But you are probably the frequent poster that accuses every post critical of MCPS of being "right-wing," so we can dismiss your analysis in return.


The news source is the Wall Street Journal which runs leftist on news articles (which this is.)


HAHAHAHAHAHA.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Why is this on MCPS forum? The right wingers are trying hard to create chaos and destroy public schools.


No way. It's the crazy left wing that has destroyed public education in this county in the name of #Equity. That and Covid where our local leaders threw kids under the bus and kept schools closed for way longer than necessary.



totally. i have voted democratic but making our schools unusable is pushing me in a different direction. If they are going to do this, at least let me have my tax $ back so i can enroll in private.


Liar.
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