BCC teacher has a problem

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Nobody should have to explain how this type of behavior is demeaning and unacceptable. I probably wouldn't fire someone over it, but I would require them to sit through sensitivity training to learn better.

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Anonymous wrote:Both teacher comments are really thoughtful.

Asian students get this all the time. I don't think a year has gone by when one of my kids has not told us about a teacher or other staff member mixing them up with other Asian kids, repeatedly calling them the wrong name of another Asian kid, or saying you all look so alike about kids who look nothing like them but happen to also be Asian. One staff member even said something very similar which Asian are you? to one child.

Many of these teachers are actually very good teachers and I would be upset if they were fired for these comments.

I don't know the particulars of the BCC case but in general I see the value in educating rather than punishing.

Honestly, this has more to do with Asians culturally being more submissive and less likely to openly question authority. I think the more Americanized the Asian family is, the less likely they are to tolerate that. Just because Asian families have historically tolerated this kind of rude and discriminatory language, doesn't mean other races should. And black Americans have a history of protest and civil rights fights, so they don't let this stuff go down quietly.

LOLOLOL!!!

So let me get this straight: trafficking in stereotypes about Asians is FINE if you are black; a possible misidentification of a black student by a white teacher is a terminating offense and “hate bias incident”?

What? That's not what I said. The PP said that as an Asian parent, Asian kids get this all the time and don't raise a stink about it and don't look to get the teacher fired over such transgressions because they prioritize the teacher's efficacy over any offenses or clumsy racial references they might make. I explained by black families are less likely to react in that way, due to historical and cultural differences.

Actually you did say that. You're stereotyping Asian parents as "submissive." WTH. Instead of standing with Asian parents and saying it stinks that you are also experiencing this type of bias you choose instead to perpetuate gross stereotypes of Asian-Americans as less than people of other races. Disgusting.

Are you denying that culture has any effect on people?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I have non-identical twin DDs. Teachers frequently call them by the wrong name. Do I get to be offended?

Yes, if you're a PoC

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Both teacher comments are really thoughtful.

Asian students get this all the time. I don't think a year has gone by when one of my kids has not told us about a teacher or other staff member mixing them up with other Asian kids, repeatedly calling them the wrong name of another Asian kid, or saying you all look so alike about kids who look nothing like them but happen to also be Asian. One staff member even said something very similar which Asian are you? to one child.

Many of these teachers are actually very good teachers and I would be upset if they were fired for these comments.

I don't know the particulars of the BCC case but in general I see the value in educating rather than punishing.

Honestly, this has more to do with Asians culturally being more submissive and less likely to openly question authority. I think the more Americanized the Asian family is, the less likely they are to tolerate that. Just because Asian families have historically tolerated this kind of rude and discriminatory language, doesn't mean other races should. And black Americans have a history of protest and civil rights fights, so they don't let this stuff go down quietly.

LOLOLOL!!!

So let me get this straight: trafficking in stereotypes about Asians is FINE if you are black; a possible misidentification of a black student by a white teacher is a terminating offense and “hate bias incident”?

What? That's not what I said. The PP said that as an Asian parent, Asian kids get this all the time and don't raise a stink about it and don't look to get the teacher fired over such transgressions because they prioritize the teacher's efficacy over any offenses or clumsy racial references they might make. I explained by black families are less likely to react in that way, due to historical and cultural differences.

Actually you did say that. You're stereotyping Asian parents as "submissive." WTH. Instead of standing with Asian parents and saying it stinks that you are also experiencing this type of bias you choose instead to perpetuate gross stereotypes of Asian-Americans as less than people of other races. Disgusting.

Are you denying that culture has any effect on people?

What's wrong with you? You get all offended about things that happen to people who look like you, and then you think it's okay to come here insulting people of another color and putting them down as less than you and implying it's because they are weak and they let people step all over them?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I have non-identical twin DDs. Teachers frequently call them by the wrong name. Do I get to be offended?

Yes, if you're a PoC

Define PoC. Does an Asian parent get to be offended too?

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Anonymous wrote:I have non-identical twin DDs. Teachers frequently call them by the wrong name. Do I get to be offended?

Yes, if you're a PoC

Define PoC. Does an Asian parent get to be offended too?

I can guarantee that if a teacher told his Asian students that they all look alike to him, it would be a 50 page thread here.

[Anonymous]

Then why is everyone telling the Asian parent not to be offended but just criticizing them for being "submissive"?

I guarantee you that if it was an Asian parent or child reporting that no one would care because I know children who have reported those types of incidents and no one gives a s---.

[Anonymous]

So what happened today? Was there a sub instead of this particular teacher?

[Anonymous]

How odd.

Head of PTSA, who has been oddly silent on this matter, today sent us a link to the student paper. The lead story is that said teacher (unnamed in the article) is planning to sue the school for defamation. A short, weak article that reads like it was vetted by MCPS lawyers.

What was the point of writing such an article? Why is head of PTSA even bothering?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How odd.

Head of PTSA, who has been oddly silent on this matter, today sent us a link to the student paper. The lead story is that said teacher (unnamed in the article) is planning to sue the school for defamation. A short, weak article that reads like it was vetted by MCPS lawyers.

What was the point of writing such an article? Why is head of PTSA even bothering?

If MCPS lawyers were vetting Tattler articles they would have never let them expose the drug situation going on in the bathrooms the way that they did.

It sounds more like the situation is more nuanced and contested than what it might look like on the surface, which is precisely what numerous people in this very thread pointed out.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Both teacher comments are really thoughtful.

Asian students get this all the time. I don't think a year has gone by when one of my kids has not told us about a teacher or other staff member mixing them up with other Asian kids, repeatedly calling them the wrong name of another Asian kid, or saying you all look so alike about kids who look nothing like them but happen to also be Asian. One staff member even said something very similar which Asian are you? to one child.

Many of these teachers are actually very good teachers and I would be upset if they were fired for these comments.

I don't know the particulars of the BCC case but in general I see the value in educating rather than punishing.

Honestly, this has more to do with Asians culturally being more submissive and less likely to openly question authority. I think the more Americanized the Asian family is, the less likely they are to tolerate that. Just because Asian families have historically tolerated this kind of rude and discriminatory language, doesn't mean other races should. And black Americans have a history of protest and civil rights fights, so they don't let this stuff go down quietly.

LOLOLOL!!!

So let me get this straight: trafficking in stereotypes about Asians is FINE if you are black; a possible misidentification of a black student by a white teacher is a terminating offense and “hate bias incident”?

What? That's not what I said. The PP said that as an Asian parent, Asian kids get this all the time and don't raise a stink about it and don't look to get the teacher fired over such transgressions because they prioritize the teacher's efficacy over any offenses or clumsy racial references they might make. I explained by black families are less likely to react in that way, due to historical and cultural differences.

If you can’t understand the irony involved when you say “All Asian families are like THIS” as a way to make your case that a white teacher (supposedly) saying “all Black kids look alike” … don’t know what to say.

that's an example of hypocrisy, not irony.

but i agree it's not good to stereotype.

i do think these situations should be handled on a case-by-case basis. in most cases, i do think no harm was meant, and that we need to let things roll and grow a thicker skin. but there are some rarer cases where the teacher is a flaming racist, in which case they should be removed following an investigation.

[Anonymous]

They aren’t firing anyone immediately without a full investigation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:To the PP who said it's February, the teacher has had months to get to know the teacher, were you aware that many classes are single semester and many classes that run full year will switch teachers in late January. So the teacher may well have only had about 2 weeks with the students and that teacher probably teaches hundreds of students every day.

Stop bringing intelligence and common sense into their slavering witch hunt.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How odd.

Head of PTSA, who has been oddly silent on this matter, today sent us a link to the student paper. The lead story is that said teacher (unnamed in the article) is planning to sue the school for defamation. A short, weak article that reads like it was vetted by MCPS lawyers.

What was the point of writing such an article? Why is head of PTSA even bothering?

What was the point of the article? Rumors are flying around the school about what happened, what the teacher said, what the teacher meant, what the kids heard, how the kids felt, who reported the situation, what the school did, whether the school’s actions were appropriate, whether the teacher’s behavior was appropriate, etc. Parents are getting dragged into it also. The student journalists tried to write as much as they could about what happened to their fellow classmates and teacher without getting sued themselves. That’s good journalism.

As a parent, I was glad to have a heads up from the PTSA on the Tattler article. Talking with my kids made me aware of some things I did not previously know and made me aware that my kids were going through a lot more emotions surrounding this than I had expected.

The head of the PTSA has been “oddly silent” because she, like the rest of us parents, has no real factual information about what happened and can only forward what sources of authority or public record say.

[Anonymous]

Some people have more trouble than others discerning facial features. I'm a professor and I'm white. I have a photo roster of all of my (many) students. And I honestly cannot link the photos to the students... almost all are white. There's a group of white girls with long blonde hair who literally are all the same to me. Another group with long brown hair-- same. I have the photo roster in front of me, look back and forth among the students, and I can't figure out which photo matches which kid.

I have no idea anything about this situation and I would never say out loud to the students that I can't tell them apart. But it's just my reality.