BCC teacher has a problem

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone saying "fire the teacher" needa an answer for "how will MCPS find a replacement?". By and large, teachers across the country are DONE. Qualified people aren't lining up form these jobs.

Not being a racist should be a qualification for being a teacher. I’d rather my kids had subs all year rather than a racist. And I’m a veteran MCPS teacher.

I’m also an MCPS teacher and I’m pretty sure I’ve been taking trainings for the past few years that teach us that we are all a little racist. They’ve had us take little unconscious bias quizzes to show it. So I don’t think he can be fired for the original sin of being racist if we all are.

Right. This isn’t about what actually happened. It’s a show trial. The adults in the room ought to know better by now how to resolve these kinds of incidents, but they do not, and meekly assume their role in the show.

The fact is - this actually sounds like it could be a case where a comment was made that was interpreted as hurtful, despite the actual intent. Eg a “microaggression.” The subjectivity of both sides means that neither side is guilty, but to resolve it, both sides need to have an honest discussion. When it gets blown up into a “hate bias incident” with jobs at risk, then discussion becomes impossible. Thus revealed - the main purpose here is a show trial where the prosecution gets to show its power, not actually generating positive change and mutual understanding.

School administrators need to get spines and stop creating this dynamic. We now have the examples of Oberlin, Hamlin, Macalester. Stop catering to “hurt” students by facilitating extreme responses. Start actually creating a learning environment where issues can be discussed and problems resolved.

+1000

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Anyone saying "fire the teacher" needa an answer for "how will MCPS find a replacement?". By and large, teachers across the country are DONE. Qualified people aren't lining up form these jobs.

Not being a racist should be a qualification for being a teacher. I’d rather my kids had subs all year rather than a racist. And I’m a veteran MCPS teacher.

I’m also an MCPS teacher and I’m pretty sure I’ve been taking trainings for the past few years that teach us that we are all a little racist. They’ve had us take little unconscious bias quizzes to show it. So I don’t think he can be fired for the original sin of being racist if we all are.

Unconscious bias doesn’t make you racist. A refusal to acknowledge your unconscious bias and make adjustments before you act are what make you racist.

--Psalm One of the new antiracist bible

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Anyone saying "fire the teacher" needa an answer for "how will MCPS find a replacement?". By and large, teachers across the country are DONE. Qualified people aren't lining up form these jobs.

Not being a racist should be a qualification for being a teacher. I’d rather my kids had subs all year rather than a racist. And I’m a veteran MCPS teacher.

I’m also an MCPS teacher and I’m pretty sure I’ve been taking trainings for the past few years that teach us that we are all a little racist. They’ve had us take little unconscious bias quizzes to show it. So I don’t think he can be fired for the original sin of being racist if we all are.

This is true. Another teacher here.
We have had many MCPS trainings on anti racism and anti bias.
They always say that everyone is at least a little bit racist. That is probably true. We all have been conditioned to have an innate preference towards our people - race, class, religion, community, etc.

The trainings also try to drill into teachers that if you give a kid a bad grade, is it because of your unconscious bias?
Maybe the teacher is the problem and not the student. To counteract the bias, you should basically be super lenient and give mostly As and a few Bs.

[Anonymous]

Both teacher comments are really thoughtful.

Asian students get this all the time. I don't think a year has gone by when one of my kids has not told us about a teacher or other staff member mixing them up with other Asian kids, repeatedly calling them the wrong name of another Asian kid, or saying you all look so alike about kids who look nothing like them but happen to also be Asian. One staff member even said something very similar which Asian are you? to one child.

Many of these teachers are actually very good teachers and I would be upset if they were fired for these comments.

I don't know the particulars of the BCC case but in general I see the value in educating rather than punishing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Both teacher comments are really thoughtful.

Asian students get this all the time. I don't think a year has gone by when one of my kids has not told us about a teacher or other staff member mixing them up with other Asian kids, repeatedly calling them the wrong name of another Asian kid, or saying you all look so alike about kids who look nothing like them but happen to also be Asian. One staff member even said something very similar which Asian are you? to one child.

Many of these teachers are actually very good teachers and I would be upset if they were fired for these comments.

I don't know the particulars of the BCC case but in general I see the value in educating rather than punishing.

Honestly, this has more to do with Asians culturally being more submissive and less likely to openly question authority. I think the more Americanized the Asian family is, the less likely they are to tolerate that. Just because Asian families have historically tolerated this kind of rude and discriminatory language, doesn't mean other races should. And black Americans have a history of protest and civil rights fights, so they don't let this stuff go down quietly.

[Anonymous]

Nobody should have to explain how this type of behavior is demeaning and unacceptable. I probably wouldn't fire someone over it, but I would require them to sit through sensitivity training to learn better.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Both teacher comments are really thoughtful.

Asian students get this all the time. I don't think a year has gone by when one of my kids has not told us about a teacher or other staff member mixing them up with other Asian kids, repeatedly calling them the wrong name of another Asian kid, or saying you all look so alike about kids who look nothing like them but happen to also be Asian. One staff member even said something very similar which Asian are you? to one child.

Many of these teachers are actually very good teachers and I would be upset if they were fired for these comments.

I don't know the particulars of the BCC case but in general I see the value in educating rather than punishing.

Honestly, this has more to do with Asians culturally being more submissive and less likely to openly question authority. I think the more Americanized the Asian family is, the less likely they are to tolerate that. Just because Asian families have historically tolerated this kind of rude and discriminatory language, doesn't mean other races should. And black Americans have a history of protest and civil rights fights, so they don't let this stuff go down quietly.

LOLOLOL!!!

So let me get this straight: trafficking in stereotypes about Asians is FINE if you are black; a possible misidentification of a black student by a white teacher is a terminating offense and “hate bias incident”?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Both teacher comments are really thoughtful.

Asian students get this all the time. I don't think a year has gone by when one of my kids has not told us about a teacher or other staff member mixing them up with other Asian kids, repeatedly calling them the wrong name of another Asian kid, or saying you all look so alike about kids who look nothing like them but happen to also be Asian. One staff member even said something very similar which Asian are you? to one child.

Many of these teachers are actually very good teachers and I would be upset if they were fired for these comments.

I don't know the particulars of the BCC case but in general I see the value in educating rather than punishing.

Honestly, this has more to do with Asians culturally being more submissive and less likely to openly question authority. I think the more Americanized the Asian family is, the less likely they are to tolerate that. Just because Asian families have historically tolerated this kind of rude and discriminatory language, doesn't mean other races should. And black Americans have a history of protest and civil rights fights, so they don't let this stuff go down quietly.

LOLOLOL!!!

So let me get this straight: trafficking in stereotypes about Asians is FINE if you are black; a possible misidentification of a black student by a white teacher is a terminating offense and “hate bias incident”?

What? That's not what I said. The PP said that as an Asian parent, Asian kids get this all the time and don't raise a stink about it and don't look to get the teacher fired over such transgressions because they prioritize the teacher's efficacy over any offenses or clumsy racial references they might make. I explained by black families are less likely to react in that way, due to historical and cultural differences.

[Anonymous]

Something doesn’t add up. In the email, BCC states that MoCo police were also contacted. I’m not sure this rises to the level of a crime. Maybe there is more to the story. I’m not sure why the police would be contacted at all. We

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Both teacher comments are really thoughtful.

Asian students get this all the time. I don't think a year has gone by when one of my kids has not told us about a teacher or other staff member mixing them up with other Asian kids, repeatedly calling them the wrong name of another Asian kid, or saying you all look so alike about kids who look nothing like them but happen to also be Asian. One staff member even said something very similar which Asian are you? to one child.

Many of these teachers are actually very good teachers and I would be upset if they were fired for these comments.

I don't know the particulars of the BCC case but in general I see the value in educating rather than punishing.

Honestly, this has more to do with Asians culturally being more submissive and less likely to openly question authority. I think the more Americanized the Asian family is, the less likely they are to tolerate that. Just because Asian families have historically tolerated this kind of rude and discriminatory language, doesn't mean other races should. And black Americans have a history of protest and civil rights fights, so they don't let this stuff go down quietly.

LOLOLOL!!!

So let me get this straight: trafficking in stereotypes about Asians is FINE if you are black; a possible misidentification of a black student by a white teacher is a terminating offense and “hate bias incident”?

What? That's not what I said. The PP said that as an Asian parent, Asian kids get this all the time and don't raise a stink about it and don't look to get the teacher fired over such transgressions because they prioritize the teacher's efficacy over any offenses or clumsy racial references they might make. I explained by black families are less likely to react in that way, due to historical and cultural differences.

If you can’t understand the irony involved when you say “All Asian families are like THIS” as a way to make your case that a white teacher (supposedly) saying “all Black kids look alike” … don’t know what to say.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Both teacher comments are really thoughtful.

Asian students get this all the time. I don't think a year has gone by when one of my kids has not told us about a teacher or other staff member mixing them up with other Asian kids, repeatedly calling them the wrong name of another Asian kid, or saying you all look so alike about kids who look nothing like them but happen to also be Asian. One staff member even said something very similar which Asian are you? to one child.

Many of these teachers are actually very good teachers and I would be upset if they were fired for these comments.

I don't know the particulars of the BCC case but in general I see the value in educating rather than punishing.

Honestly, this has more to do with Asians culturally being more submissive and less likely to openly question authority. I think the more Americanized the Asian family is, the less likely they are to tolerate that. Just because Asian families have historically tolerated this kind of rude and discriminatory language, doesn't mean other races should. And black Americans have a history of protest and civil rights fights, so they don't let this stuff go down quietly.

LOLOLOL!!!

So let me get this straight: trafficking in stereotypes about Asians is FINE if you are black; a possible misidentification of a black student by a white teacher is a terminating offense and “hate bias incident”?

What? That's not what I said. The PP said that as an Asian parent, Asian kids get this all the time and don't raise a stink about it and don't look to get the teacher fired over such transgressions because they prioritize the teacher's efficacy over any offenses or clumsy racial references they might make. I explained by black families are less likely to react in that way, due to historical and cultural differences.

Serious question: Wtf do you think would happen if this white teacher told his class, “First gen Asian families are submissive, but Black people are aggressive about racial slights. It’s just their cultures.”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Both teacher comments are really thoughtful.

Asian students get this all the time. I don't think a year has gone by when one of my kids has not told us about a teacher or other staff member mixing them up with other Asian kids, repeatedly calling them the wrong name of another Asian kid, or saying you all look so alike about kids who look nothing like them but happen to also be Asian. One staff member even said something very similar which Asian are you? to one child.

Many of these teachers are actually very good teachers and I would be upset if they were fired for these comments.

I don't know the particulars of the BCC case but in general I see the value in educating rather than punishing.

Honestly, this has more to do with Asians culturally being more submissive and less likely to openly question authority. I think the more Americanized the Asian family is, the less likely they are to tolerate that. Just because Asian families have historically tolerated this kind of rude and discriminatory language, doesn't mean other races should. And black Americans have a history of protest and civil rights fights, so they don't let this stuff go down quietly.

LOLOLOL!!!

So let me get this straight: trafficking in stereotypes about Asians is FINE if you are black; a possible misidentification of a black student by a white teacher is a terminating offense and “hate bias incident”?

What? That's not what I said. The PP said that as an Asian parent, Asian kids get this all the time and don't raise a stink about it and don't look to get the teacher fired over such transgressions because they prioritize the teacher's efficacy over any offenses or clumsy racial references they might make. I explained by black families are less likely to react in that way, due to historical and cultural differences.

Actually you did say that. You're stereotyping Asian parents as "submissive." WTH. Instead of standing with Asian parents and saying it stinks that you are also experiencing this type of bias you choose instead to perpetuate gross stereotypes of Asian-Americans as less than people of other races. Disgusting.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Both teacher comments are really thoughtful.

Asian students get this all the time. I don't think a year has gone by when one of my kids has not told us about a teacher or other staff member mixing them up with other Asian kids, repeatedly calling them the wrong name of another Asian kid, or saying you all look so alike about kids who look nothing like them but happen to also be Asian. One staff member even said something very similar which Asian are you? to one child.

Many of these teachers are actually very good teachers and I would be upset if they were fired for these comments.

I don't know the particulars of the BCC case but in general I see the value in educating rather than punishing.

Honestly, this has more to do with Asians culturally being more submissive and less likely to openly question authority. I think the more Americanized the Asian family is, the less likely they are to tolerate that. Just because Asian families have historically tolerated this kind of rude and discriminatory language, doesn't mean other races should. And black Americans have a history of protest and civil rights fights, so they don't let this stuff go down quietly.

WTH is your problem? Our family is plenty "Americanized" whatever that means and we feel the same way that these incidents happen all the time and while no one is saying "let this stuff go down quietly" they are also saying don't hang the teacher without knowing all the facts. I don't know what the teacher said. He could have acted in a very racist way but he could have also just made a mistake.

The most racist teachers we've met are smart enough to hide it. A teacher who has no filter sometimes says things they should not say but they do not necessarily feel the same as people who are really racist and working behind the scenes to put people down. Again, no idea what happened in this situation.

[Anonymous]

I have non-identical twin DDs. Teachers frequently call them by the wrong name. Do I get to be offended?

[Anonymous]

I teach HS in MCPS.
We have about 150 names to remember every semester.
We also need to remember individual pronouns for some students.
Also, it is not uncommon for a kid to ask us to call them by a random name rather than what their actual listed name is.
It is a lot to juggle. Mistakes happen.
Last semester I had two white boys with long hair and I would occasionally mix up their names.
I also can differentiate between most AA kids but for some reason there were 3 AA kids who sat together whose names always got jumbled up in my head.
I am not sure why I had so much trouble with those specific kids.
I am Asian myself. I still don’t know the names of all my semester 2 kids.
But I would never say to any bunch of kids - you all look the same.
That is pretty bad. Although I believe it should be dealt with internally rather than be made into a public spectacle