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Anonymous wrote:It’s sad and incredible that some on this thread equate US military actions with those of Russia and the like. Sure, the US is not perfect, but there is a MASSIVE difference. For example, compare how the US fights with precise bombs on military targets vs. Russia’s indiscriminate shelling of towns, civilian infrastructure, train stations, and civilian convoys. Sure, the US sometimes hits the wrong target, but ON THE WHOLE, the US actually fights MUCH more cleanly. Also, consider how prisoners of war are treated. Yes, the US lost its moral compass a bit immediately following 9/11, but we stopped those practices and they were the exception, not the rule. Russia ROUTINELY beats, tortures, and mutilates its POWs. Again, there is no equivalency.

The body count speaks for itself. The rest is just stories you tell yourself.

Yes it does. So does the reasoning. We're not the ones defending a chosen war of genocidal agression. We're not defending torture, rape and castration. We're not defending nuclear threats against the entire world. We are not defending environmental terrorism. We are not the ones pretending. We are not the ones telling stories. And for what? Whataboutism is not a cause. Whataboutism is not a reason. Whataboutism is not a justification. Whataboutism is not an excuse.

LOL half a million Iraqis are pushing up daisies and no WMD were ever found but sure, "we are not telling stories" and "we are not targeting civilians". I wonder how all these untargeted civilians in Iraq and Afghanistan ended up dead. Must be from sheer wonder of American awesomeness.

The Iraq War was promoted by Republicans and launched by a Republican administration. The people to blame for the deaths of Iraqi civilians are the same ones who are supporting Russia now.

Liar. Liar. Liar. The invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan was universally cheered on across the party spectrum. Do you really want me to dig out the CNN, MSNBC, NYT etc. headlines about it? Don't lie. America loves itself a "righteous war" so the hard-on for the invasions was unanimous. You're a liar if you claim it was a Republican thing. Liar.

126 out of 133 members of Congress who voted against the Iraq War were Democrats. That’s 95%. Of the 23 Senators who voted against the Iraq War, only *one* was a Republican. And FWIW Al Gore strongly opposed the Iraq War. If he were president at that time, there’s no chance in hell it would have happened. Iraq was a Republican war.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s sad and incredible that some on this thread equate US military actions with those of Russia and the like. Sure, the US is not perfect, but there is a MASSIVE difference. For example, compare how the US fights with precise bombs on military targets vs. Russia’s indiscriminate shelling of towns, civilian infrastructure, train stations, and civilian convoys. Sure, the US sometimes hits the wrong target, but ON THE WHOLE, the US actually fights MUCH more cleanly. Also, consider how prisoners of war are treated. Yes, the US lost its moral compass a bit immediately following 9/11, but we stopped those practices and they were the exception, not the rule. Russia ROUTINELY beats, tortures, and mutilates its POWs. Again, there is no equivalency.

The body count speaks for itself. The rest is just stories you tell yourself.

Yes it does. So does the reasoning. We're not the ones defending a chosen war of genocidal agression. We're not defending torture, rape and castration. We're not defending nuclear threats against the entire world. We are not defending environmental terrorism. We are not the ones pretending. We are not the ones telling stories. And for what? Whataboutism is not a cause. Whataboutism is not a reason. Whataboutism is not a justification. Whataboutism is not an excuse.

LOL half a million Iraqis are pushing up daisies and no WMD were ever found but sure, "we are not telling stories" and "we are not targeting civilians". I wonder how all these untargeted civilians in Iraq and Afghanistan ended up dead. Must be from sheer wonder of American awesomeness.

The Iraq War was promoted by Republicans and launched by a Republican administration. The people to blame for the deaths of Iraqi civilians are the same ones who are supporting Russia now.

Liar. Liar. Liar. The invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan was universally cheered on across the party spectrum. Do you really want me to dig out the CNN, MSNBC, NYT etc. headlines about it? Don't lie. America loves itself a "righteous war" so the hard-on for the invasions was unanimous. You're a liar if you claim it was a Republican thing. Liar.

126 out of 133 members of Congress who voted against the Iraq War were Democrats. That’s 95%. Of the 23 Senators who voted against the Iraq War, only *one* was a Republican. And FWIW Al Gore strongly opposed the Iraq War. If he were president at that time, there’s no chance in hell it would have happened. Iraq was a Republican war.

LOL now do the numbers for how many Democrats voted FOR the invasion of Iraq. And Afghanistan.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s sad and incredible that some on this thread equate US military actions with those of Russia and the like. Sure, the US is not perfect, but there is a MASSIVE difference. For example, compare how the US fights with precise bombs on military targets vs. Russia’s indiscriminate shelling of towns, civilian infrastructure, train stations, and civilian convoys. Sure, the US sometimes hits the wrong target, but ON THE WHOLE, the US actually fights MUCH more cleanly. Also, consider how prisoners of war are treated. Yes, the US lost its moral compass a bit immediately following 9/11, but we stopped those practices and they were the exception, not the rule. Russia ROUTINELY beats, tortures, and mutilates its POWs. Again, there is no equivalency.

The body count speaks for itself. The rest is just stories you tell yourself.

Yes it does. So does the reasoning. We're not the ones defending a chosen war of genocidal agression. We're not defending torture, rape and castration. We're not defending nuclear threats against the entire world. We are not defending environmental terrorism. We are not the ones pretending. We are not the ones telling stories. And for what? Whataboutism is not a cause. Whataboutism is not a reason. Whataboutism is not a justification. Whataboutism is not an excuse.

LOL half a million Iraqis are pushing up daisies and no WMD were ever found but sure, "we are not telling stories" and "we are not targeting civilians". I wonder how all these untargeted civilians in Iraq and Afghanistan ended up dead. Must be from sheer wonder of American awesomeness.

The Iraq War was promoted by Republicans and launched by a Republican administration. The people to blame for the deaths of Iraqi civilians are the same ones who are supporting Russia now.

Liar. Liar. Liar. The invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan was universally cheered on across the party spectrum. Do you really want me to dig out the CNN, MSNBC, NYT etc. headlines about it? Don't lie. America loves itself a "righteous war" so the hard-on for the invasions was unanimous. You're a liar if you claim it was a Republican thing. Liar.

It was a Republican administration that set it in motion. You seem confused.

Was there a Democratic opposition to it, in significant numbers? Was there a significant movement against the invasion in Democrat-leaning media, think tanks, opinion makers?

You know the answer is no.

And therefore you're lying when you're trying to present the Iraq and Afghanistan invasions as Republican wars. They weren't. The hard-ons for war were universal.

Invading iraq was a bad decision, but you know it was because we were briefly insane due to 9-11. that was a horrific attack on American soil. We still should not have done it. But Putin had no reason at all for invading Ukraine.

Oh yes putting half a million people six feet under is, like...a youthful indiscretion. 'Cause we were all upset or something and therefore aren't really to blame. And it's not like they were blue-eyed white people, like the kind who matters. And besides, they were killed by us, the good guys, so it doesn't count.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It’s sad and incredible that some on this thread equate US military actions with those of Russia and the like. Sure, the US is not perfect, but there is a MASSIVE difference. For example, compare how the US fights with precise bombs on military targets vs. Russia’s indiscriminate shelling of towns, civilian infrastructure, train stations, and civilian convoys. Sure, the US sometimes hits the wrong target, but ON THE WHOLE, the US actually fights MUCH more cleanly. Also, consider how prisoners of war are treated. Yes, the US lost its moral compass a bit immediately following 9/11, but we stopped those practices and they were the exception, not the rule. Russia ROUTINELY beats, tortures, and mutilates its POWs. Again, there is no equivalency.

The body count speaks for itself. The rest is just stories you tell yourself.

Yes it does. So does the reasoning. We're not the ones defending a chosen war of genocidal agression. We're not defending torture, rape and castration. We're not defending nuclear threats against the entire world. We are not defending environmental terrorism. We are not the ones pretending. We are not the ones telling stories. And for what? Whataboutism is not a cause. Whataboutism is not a reason. Whataboutism is not a justification. Whataboutism is not an excuse.

LOL half a million Iraqis are pushing up daisies and no WMD were ever found but sure, "we are not telling stories" and "we are not targeting civilians". I wonder how all these untargeted civilians in Iraq and Afghanistan ended up dead. Must be from sheer wonder of American awesomeness.

The Iraq War was promoted by Republicans and launched by a Republican administration. The people to blame for the deaths of Iraqi civilians are the same ones who are supporting Russia now.

Liar. Liar. Liar. The invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan was universally cheered on across the party spectrum. Do you really want me to dig out the CNN, MSNBC, NYT etc. headlines about it? Don't lie. America loves itself a "righteous war" so the hard-on for the invasions was unanimous. You're a liar if you claim it was a Republican thing. Liar.

It was a Republican administration that set it in motion. You seem confused.

Was there a Democratic opposition to it, in significant numbers? Was there a significant movement against the invasion in Democrat-leaning media, think tanks, opinion makers?

You know the answer is no.

And therefore you're lying when you're trying to present the Iraq and Afghanistan invasions as Republican wars. They weren't. The hard-ons for war were universal.

Yes, there was a pretty big backlash against it. You might remember a little band then called The Dixie Chicks and the absolute and utter insanity that Republicans experienced after they rightly said they were ashamed that W was from Texas. That was pre-invasion. Lots of progressives, Democrats and Greens (and boy do I hate to give those people any wins) were against the GOP’s offense into Iraq and time has proven them right. Literally nothing was accomplished there except bloodshed and further destabilization. Oh I guess the military industrial complex got a boost and Erik Prince ended up making even more money, which was pretty much the point of that useless war.

True but then guess what? Nothing happened to the guys who went in. And nothing happened to the country that did it. Half a million people killed but there are no killers. It's a miracle!

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The US can and should stand with the people of Ukraine against Russian aggression. However to act like our own recent history is spotless displays the hypocrisy and arrogance so many find disdainful about this country. In short, many of our political and military leaders are guilty of crimes against humanity in the decision to make war against a country on made up grounds and the conduct of that war in Iraq.