Lawsuit challenging MCPS magnet admissions dismissed

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Anonymous wrote:If you see the Takoma Park MS Magnet program. From the website of https://www.edufair.us/

The main beneficiaries were White students gaining the most number of seats via this lottery system - but no one seems to note that: +8.3%, followed by Black: +5.3%, and then Hispanic +2.7%. With Asian students losing: -14.1%

Was that the outcome MCPS was trying to achieve? I am not aware of the latest data.

Notably - if you want magnet schools and you live in the wrong neighbhorhood - eg, Bethesda, Potomac type locations geographically - good luck getting your kids to the magnet program - they have to spend a tremendous amount of time commuting - because well naturally that's what MCPC thinks is equitable approach for resource distribution.

Naturally - your taxes should be redistributed too- because that's only fair, reasonable and equitable for Asians/immigrants - as you have obviously had an advantaged up-bringing because you were born rich and privileged when you arrived to this country, and exploited people generationally.

Yep..this is the American dream we all signed-up for - to be discriminated against to advantage other 'minority - majorities' - but in the end result of advantaging Whites.

I didn't read all of this but I do wish everyone would stop making this *so* important. I graduated both from TPMS and Blair, a long time back. Now my own two kids are in MCPS, about to be in the "pool".
I honestly don't care if they get selected. Why? Because they will be fine if they don't get in. I would have been fine if I hadn't gotten into either school too. Because the important things that are stressed in so many Asian families were already there (hard work, respect, time management, discipline, sacrifice) and would have still been there had I gone to other schools.

And that's the truth - in my day (late 90s), most of my fellow Asian classmates' parents were docs, engineers, and researchers at NIH - it's SUCH a leg up in life to have educated parents. You cannot tell me the reason why they are all for the most part doing well in life was because of Blair and taking thermodynamics in high school. I imagine, before lottery, it was much the same. Yes, the program and teacher matter, but it most matters to the students who didn't come from homes like mine and who needed the extra encouragement and stimulation. It would be much much better for the school to just take an income based admission process honestly.

Anyway, magnets are not that important. It's the values you create as parents that's important which actually translate to everything that follows.

Great..do me a huge - solid - if your kid 'wins the lottery' the please decline...can't believe education and kids futures and the nations future is being made into a gambling game by MCPS!

Can't believe how hyperbolic everyone on this forum is.

So are you fine with MCPS not providing opportunities to equally qualified highly abled students and pick only certain students send them to magnet?

Are you two a comedy duo? Which one is the straight man? Which is the stooge?

Typical MCPS public relations tactics to call name, online bully parents and distract and divert serious conversation. Do you have answers to why MCPS is denying opportunities for highly abled students and pick only few that they like and admit them into magnet? Why is lottery process is not transparent? what is there to hide?

Typical troll to call anyone who disagrees with them an MCPS PR person.

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Anonymous wrote:If you see the Takoma Park MS Magnet program. From the website of https://www.edufair.us/

The main beneficiaries were White students gaining the most number of seats via this lottery system - but no one seems to note that: +8.3%, followed by Black: +5.3%, and then Hispanic +2.7%. With Asian students losing: -14.1%

Was that the outcome MCPS was trying to achieve? I am not aware of the latest data.

Notably - if you want magnet schools and you live in the wrong neighbhorhood - eg, Bethesda, Potomac type locations geographically - good luck getting your kids to the magnet program - they have to spend a tremendous amount of time commuting - because well naturally that's what MCPC thinks is equitable approach for resource distribution.

Naturally - your taxes should be redistributed too- because that's only fair, reasonable and equitable for Asians/immigrants - as you have obviously had an advantaged up-bringing because you were born rich and privileged when you arrived to this country, and exploited people generationally.

Yep..this is the American dream we all signed-up for - to be discriminated against to advantage other 'minority - majorities' - but in the end result of advantaging Whites.

I didn't read all of this but I do wish everyone would stop making this *so* important. I graduated both from TPMS and Blair, a long time back. Now my own two kids are in MCPS, about to be in the "pool".
I honestly don't care if they get selected. Why? Because they will be fine if they don't get in. I would have been fine if I hadn't gotten into either school too. Because the important things that are stressed in so many Asian families were already there (hard work, respect, time management, discipline, sacrifice) and would have still been there had I gone to other schools.

And that's the truth - in my day (late 90s), most of my fellow Asian classmates' parents were docs, engineers, and researchers at NIH - it's SUCH a leg up in life to have educated parents. You cannot tell me the reason why they are all for the most part doing well in life was because of Blair and taking thermodynamics in high school. I imagine, before lottery, it was much the same. Yes, the program and teacher matter, but it most matters to the students who didn't come from homes like mine and who needed the extra encouragement and stimulation. It would be much much better for the school to just take an income based admission process honestly.

Anyway, magnets are not that important. It's the values you create as parents that's important which actually translate to everything that follows.

That is jut your opinion. With due respect, many disagree with your statement that "magnets are not that important". Can we ask you not to preach your experience and assume that everyone who desire to be in magnet is like you?

You are correct, this is just my opinion. But i've maintained my friendships with many of my classmates from over 20 years ago and my opinion is *quite* common. So take it with a grain of salt - but hindsight can be pretty illuminating. I also remember feeling like my life would be over if I didn't get into Blair and had to go to my home school. The truth is, most of my friends that were relegated to their home schools ended up in similar places in life.

I'm not against magnets but I do think they are more impactful for kids who are truly brilliant OR who are really coming from lower-income or difficult home situations. I wasn't a genius, and neither were most of my friends, and most of your kids likely aren't either. It's hard to hear in this area - but highly intelligent people are commonplace, while very hard working and very kind people are much less so.

Look at you, so sanctimonious. First of all, how do you know about other kids that you have not even met? Second, define genius for us local schoolers. All your statements are backsword looking and makes wild predictions about future generations. Are you still living in 1990s or something?

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Anonymous wrote:If you see the Takoma Park MS Magnet program. From the website of https://www.edufair.us/

The main beneficiaries were White students gaining the most number of seats via this lottery system - but no one seems to note that: +8.3%, followed by Black: +5.3%, and then Hispanic +2.7%. With Asian students losing: -14.1%

Was that the outcome MCPS was trying to achieve? I am not aware of the latest data.

Notably - if you want magnet schools and you live in the wrong neighbhorhood - eg, Bethesda, Potomac type locations geographically - good luck getting your kids to the magnet program - they have to spend a tremendous amount of time commuting - because well naturally that's what MCPC thinks is equitable approach for resource distribution.

Naturally - your taxes should be redistributed too- because that's only fair, reasonable and equitable for Asians/immigrants - as you have obviously had an advantaged up-bringing because you were born rich and privileged when you arrived to this country, and exploited people generationally.

Yep..this is the American dream we all signed-up for - to be discriminated against to advantage other 'minority - majorities' - but in the end result of advantaging Whites.

I didn't read all of this but I do wish everyone would stop making this *so* important. I graduated both from TPMS and Blair, a long time back. Now my own two kids are in MCPS, about to be in the "pool".
I honestly don't care if they get selected. Why? Because they will be fine if they don't get in. I would have been fine if I hadn't gotten into either school too. Because the important things that are stressed in so many Asian families were already there (hard work, respect, time management, discipline, sacrifice) and would have still been there had I gone to other schools.

And that's the truth - in my day (late 90s), most of my fellow Asian classmates' parents were docs, engineers, and researchers at NIH - it's SUCH a leg up in life to have educated parents. You cannot tell me the reason why they are all for the most part doing well in life was because of Blair and taking thermodynamics in high school. I imagine, before lottery, it was much the same. Yes, the program and teacher matter, but it most matters to the students who didn't come from homes like mine and who needed the extra encouragement and stimulation. It would be much much better for the school to just take an income based admission process honestly.

Anyway, magnets are not that important. It's the values you create as parents that's important which actually translate to everything that follows.

Great..do me a huge - solid - if your kid 'wins the lottery' the please decline...can't believe education and kids futures and the nations future is being made into a gambling game by MCPS!

Can't believe how hyperbolic everyone on this forum is.

So are you fine with MCPS not providing opportunities to equally qualified highly abled students and pick only certain students send them to magnet?

Are you two a comedy duo? Which one is the straight man? Which is the stooge?

Typical MCPS public relations tactics to call name, online bully parents and distract and divert serious conversation. Do you have answers to why MCPS is denying opportunities for highly abled students and pick only few that they like and admit them into magnet? Why is lottery process is not transparent? what is there to hide?

What about the lottery would you like to know that isn't already public?

What do you know that we do not know? Are you getting paid to post this kind of message here?

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Anonymous wrote:I’m not sure about the legal merits of this case. But I’m starting to feel like this “equity” business is going to be the school busing of our generation. I’m all in favor of expanding access to gifted programs to underrepresented groups. But doing that through destroying existing programs is just really nihilistic. EXPAND the accelerated options; don’t water them down or exclude qualified students.

Instead of expanding the opportunities to all students, I wonder why they deny opportunities to highly abled to promote some groups. Is this their politics?

They don't. In fact, admissions to these programs are race-blind, and it's why some demographic groups which currently take up over half the seats in these programs while others that are even larger are closer to 5%...

So why are they not providing magnet opportunities for highly abled and only focus on certain groups? Aren't they suppose to provide opportunities for all children?

There are opportunities for all kids. But perhaps not the opportunity you think Larla so obviously deserves.

can you elaborate on what do you mean by that? They are picking and choosing kids for magnet and highly abled students not afforded the opportunities in magnet programs why?

When there’s enough highly able students in a grade level at a specific school, they can be grouped into one (or two classes) and served in their own neighborhood. There are several advantages to this. For example, students are spared a long commute to/from the magnet location. This allows more sleep in the morning and time for more extra curricular in the afternoon. Also, students can more easily maintain relationships with neighborhood peers. This can be especially important for middle schoolers since not all highly gifted students go on to a high school magnet.

Except the goal is to also break up the high-performing schools in the name of equity …

Can someone elaborate what does this means?

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Anonymous wrote:And I bet a lot of those white students were the scions of powerful Moco families - there was another thread about Reimer’s kids, Franchot’s kids and Raskin’s kids. Let’s face it these are likely set asides for the Biden crowd of white liberals who live in TP. Get them into the middle school and the teacher recommendations then kick in for the magnet. All pigs are equal. Some pigs are more equal than others.

First of all, the teacher recommendations no longer exist and haven't in years.

Second, targeting Raskin's kids in particular is really odd, and incredibly unkind. First of all, the process has changed many times since Raskin's kids attended MCPS. Second, given that he lost his son to suicide, maybe leave Raskin out of this particular culture war?

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Anonymous wrote:Except the goal is to also break up the high-performing schools in the name of equity …

Anonymous wrote:Can someone elaborate what does this means?

Just a cultural warrior tossing a grenade.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m not sure about the legal merits of this case. But I’m starting to feel like this “equity” business is going to be the school busing of our generation. I’m all in favor of expanding access to gifted programs to underrepresented groups. But doing that through destroying existing programs is just really nihilistic. EXPAND the accelerated options; don’t water them down or exclude qualified students.

Instead of expanding the opportunities to all students, I wonder why they deny opportunities to highly abled to promote some groups. Is this their politics?

They don't. In fact, admissions to these programs are race-blind, and it's why some demographic groups which currently take up over half the seats in these programs while others that are even larger are closer to 5%...

So why are they not providing magnet opportunities for highly abled and only focus on certain groups? Aren't they suppose to provide opportunities for all children?

There are opportunities for all kids. But perhaps not the opportunity you think Larla so obviously deserves.

can you elaborate on what do you mean by that? They are picking and choosing kids for magnet and highly abled students not afforded the opportunities in magnet programs why?

When there’s enough highly able students in a grade level at a specific school, they can be grouped into one (or two classes) and served in their own neighborhood. There are several advantages to this. For example, students are spared a long commute to/from the magnet location. This allows more sleep in the morning and time for more extra curricular in the afternoon. Also, students can more easily maintain relationships with neighborhood peers. This can be especially important for middle schoolers since not all highly gifted students go on to a high school magnet.

Except the goal is to also break up the high-performing schools in the name of equity …

Can someone elaborate what does this means?

Conspiracy theory intended to spread fear and make people angry over something that won't happen.

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Anonymous wrote:And I bet a lot of those white students were the scions of powerful Moco families - there was another thread about Reimer’s kids, Franchot’s kids and Raskin’s kids. Let’s face it these are likely set asides for the Biden crowd of white liberals who live in TP. Get them into the middle school and the teacher recommendations then kick in for the magnet. All pigs are equal. Some pigs are more equal than others.

First of all, the teacher recommendations no longer exist and haven't in years.

Second, targeting Raskin's kids in particular is really odd, and incredibly unkind. First of all, the process has changed many times since Raskin's kids attended MCPS. Second, given that he lost his son to suicide, maybe leave Raskin out of this particular culture war?

Yes, it's total nonsense. They don't even know the names of the applicants so not like they get special treatment.

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Anonymous wrote:Except the goal is to also break up the high-performing schools in the name of equity …

Anonymous wrote:Can someone elaborate what does this means?

Just a cultural warrior tossing a grenade.

If you don't think what happened in SFUSD could happen in any liberal school district, you're not thinking clearly.

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Anonymous wrote:And I bet a lot of those white students were the scions of powerful Moco families - there was another thread about Reimer’s kids, Franchot’s kids and Raskin’s kids. Let’s face it these are likely set asides for the Biden crowd of white liberals who live in TP. Get them into the middle school and the teacher recommendations then kick in for the magnet. All pigs are equal. Some pigs are more equal than others.

First of all, the teacher recommendations no longer exist and haven't in years.

Second, targeting Raskin's kids in particular is really odd, and incredibly unkind. First of all, the process has changed many times since Raskin's kids attended MCPS. Second, given that he lost his son to suicide, maybe leave Raskin out of this particular culture war?

Yes, it's total nonsense. They don't even know the names of the applicants so not like they get special treatment.

The guy wasn't even a congressman when his kids were there anyway. Just a law professor.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Except the goal is to also break up the high-performing schools in the name of equity …

Anonymous wrote:Can someone elaborate what does this means?

Just a cultural warrior tossing a grenade.

If you don't think what happened in SFUSD could happen in any liberal school district, you're not thinking clearly.

what does that have to do with MCPS not teaching CRT?

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Anonymous wrote:If you see the Takoma Park MS Magnet program. From the website of https://www.edufair.us/

The main beneficiaries were White students gaining the most number of seats via this lottery system - but no one seems to note that: +8.3%, followed by Black: +5.3%, and then Hispanic +2.7%. With Asian students losing: -14.1%

Was that the outcome MCPS was trying to achieve? I am not aware of the latest data.

Notably - if you want magnet schools and you live in the wrong neighbhorhood - eg, Bethesda, Potomac type locations geographically - good luck getting your kids to the magnet program - they have to spend a tremendous amount of time commuting - because well naturally that's what MCPC thinks is equitable approach for resource distribution.

Naturally - your taxes should be redistributed too- because that's only fair, reasonable and equitable for Asians/immigrants - as you have obviously had an advantaged up-bringing because you were born rich and privileged when you arrived to this country, and exploited people generationally.

Yep..this is the American dream we all signed-up for - to be discriminated against to advantage other 'minority - majorities' - but in the end result of advantaging Whites.

I didn't read all of this but I do wish everyone would stop making this *so* important. I graduated both from TPMS and Blair, a long time back. Now my own two kids are in MCPS, about to be in the "pool".
I honestly don't care if they get selected. Why? Because they will be fine if they don't get in. I would have been fine if I hadn't gotten into either school too. Because the important things that are stressed in so many Asian families were already there (hard work, respect, time management, discipline, sacrifice) and would have still been there had I gone to other schools.

And that's the truth - in my day (late 90s), most of my fellow Asian classmates' parents were docs, engineers, and researchers at NIH - it's SUCH a leg up in life to have educated parents. You cannot tell me the reason why they are all for the most part doing well in life was because of Blair and taking thermodynamics in high school. I imagine, before lottery, it was much the same. Yes, the program and teacher matter, but it most matters to the students who didn't come from homes like mine and who needed the extra encouragement and stimulation. It would be much much better for the school to just take an income based admission process honestly.

Anyway, magnets are not that important. It's the values you create as parents that's important which actually translate to everything that follows.

Great..do me a huge - solid - if your kid 'wins the lottery' the please decline...can't believe education and kids futures and the nations future is being made into a gambling game by MCPS!

Can't believe how hyperbolic everyone on this forum is.

So are you fine with MCPS not providing opportunities to equally qualified highly abled students and pick only certain students send them to magnet?

Are you two a comedy duo? Which one is the straight man? Which is the stooge?

Typical MCPS public relations tactics to call name, online bully parents and distract and divert serious conversation. Do you have answers to why MCPS is denying opportunities for highly abled students and pick only few that they like and admit them into magnet? Why is lottery process is not transparent? what is there to hide?

What about the lottery would you like to know that isn't already public?

There is a poster complaining about this regularly. I think they just want a livestream of MCPS staff pulling names out of a giant hat and reading them aloud.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And I bet a lot of those white students were the scions of powerful Moco families - there was another thread about Reimer’s kids, Franchot’s kids and Raskin’s kids. Let’s face it these are likely set asides for the Biden crowd of white liberals who live in TP. Get them into the middle school and the teacher recommendations then kick in for the magnet. All pigs are equal. Some pigs are more equal than others.

First of all, the teacher recommendations no longer exist and haven't in years.

Second, targeting Raskin's kids in particular is really odd, and incredibly unkind. First of all, the process has changed many times since Raskin's kids attended MCPS. Second, given that he lost his son to suicide, maybe leave Raskin out of this particular culture war?

Yes, it's total nonsense. They don't even know the names of the applicants so not like they get special treatment.

Fair point on Raskin. My apologies. I actually was just trying to find three examples. But you are seriously suggesting that MCPS leadership doesn’t factor in liberal politicians kids into slots at Blair Magnet? You are really naive.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And I bet a lot of those white students were the scions of powerful Moco families - there was another thread about Reimer’s kids, Franchot’s kids and Raskin’s kids. Let’s face it these are likely set asides for the Biden crowd of white liberals who live in TP. Get them into the middle school and the teacher recommendations then kick in for the magnet. All pigs are equal. Some pigs are more equal than others.

First of all, the teacher recommendations no longer exist and haven't in years.

Second, targeting Raskin's kids in particular is really odd, and incredibly unkind. First of all, the process has changed many times since Raskin's kids attended MCPS. Second, given that he lost his son to suicide, maybe leave Raskin out of this particular culture war?

Yes, it's total nonsense. They don't even know the names of the applicants so not like they get special treatment.

Fair point on Raskin. My apologies. I actually was just trying to find three examples. But you are seriously suggesting that MCPS leadership doesn’t factor in liberal politicians kids into slots at Blair Magnet? You are really naive.

He wasn't a politician when his kids were at Blair and had no idea if they were in the magnet. Blair was their home school. Nevertheless, they selection committee doesn't know the applicants name so not like they could do them any favors and if this kind of thing was going on, people would get fired over it.

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Anonymous wrote:If you see the Takoma Park MS Magnet program. From the website of https://www.edufair.us/

The main beneficiaries were White students gaining the most number of seats via this lottery system - but no one seems to note that: +8.3%, followed by Black: +5.3%, and then Hispanic +2.7%. With Asian students losing: -14.1%

Was that the outcome MCPS was trying to achieve? I am not aware of the latest data.

Notably - if you want magnet schools and you live in the wrong neighbhorhood - eg, Bethesda, Potomac type locations geographically - good luck getting your kids to the magnet program - they have to spend a tremendous amount of time commuting - because well naturally that's what MCPC thinks is equitable approach for resource distribution.

Naturally - your taxes should be redistributed too- because that's only fair, reasonable and equitable for Asians/immigrants - as you have obviously had an advantaged up-bringing because you were born rich and privileged when you arrived to this country, and exploited people generationally.

Yep..this is the American dream we all signed-up for - to be discriminated against to advantage other 'minority - majorities' - but in the end result of advantaging Whites.

I didn't read all of this but I do wish everyone would stop making this *so* important. I graduated both from TPMS and Blair, a long time back. Now my own two kids are in MCPS, about to be in the "pool".
I honestly don't care if they get selected. Why? Because they will be fine if they don't get in. I would have been fine if I hadn't gotten into either school too. Because the important things that are stressed in so many Asian families were already there (hard work, respect, time management, discipline, sacrifice) and would have still been there had I gone to other schools.

And that's the truth - in my day (late 90s), most of my fellow Asian classmates' parents were docs, engineers, and researchers at NIH - it's SUCH a leg up in life to have educated parents. You cannot tell me the reason why they are all for the most part doing well in life was because of Blair and taking thermodynamics in high school. I imagine, before lottery, it was much the same. Yes, the program and teacher matter, but it most matters to the students who didn't come from homes like mine and who needed the extra encouragement and stimulation. It would be much much better for the school to just take an income based admission process honestly.

Anyway, magnets are not that important. It's the values you create as parents that's important which actually translate to everything that follows.

Great..do me a huge - solid - if your kid 'wins the lottery' the please decline...can't believe education and kids futures and the nations future is being made into a gambling game by MCPS!

Can't believe how hyperbolic everyone on this forum is.

So are you fine with MCPS not providing opportunities to equally qualified highly abled students and pick only certain students send them to magnet?

Are you two a comedy duo? Which one is the straight man? Which is the stooge?

Typical MCPS public relations tactics to call name, online bully parents and distract and divert serious conversation. Do you have answers to why MCPS is denying opportunities for highly abled students and pick only few that they like and admit them into magnet? Why is lottery process is not transparent? what is there to hide?

What about the lottery would you like to know that isn't already public?

There is a poster complaining about this regularly. I think they just want a livestream of MCPS staff pulling names out of a giant hat and reading them aloud.

Ya it's really tiresome. Lottery means lottery. Not something else.