Red states recover faster than blue

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Anonymous wrote:We knew this over a year ago.

Between the Covid restrictions and the ridiculous remote "learning," many people have decided they prefer the freedom red states have to offer.

That is why Covid policy is a big deal when voting. If you liked the blue states' policies, vote for them. I'll stick with the route the red states took.

I love the freedom that Texas gives women over their own bodies.

Versus the blue cities, like Los Angeles and NYC, who unethically pushed Covid vaccines on 12 year olds to attend public school.

No freedom for our families and our kids, I guess.

No one ever had to be vaccinated to attend school before, right? What a bunch of delusional dopes.

This is what is so bizarre to me. Even in college in the '90s I had to prove that I had basic vaccinations or a religious exemption. I had to provide vaccination records for my children's school and their daycares from the time that they started so at about 6 months. Never has it been so controversial until Trump told people to start drinking bleach.

It was controversial because the vaccine didnt go through the normal FDA process that assures safety. Im fully vaccinated, but it's not unreasonable for people to be wary of new vaccine with less stringent controls. Very frankly, I was glad I had no risk factors and had to wait at the back of the line.

That's not why it was controversial. That's an excuse some people gave. But they don't know anything about the other vaccines they take, don't know anything about the food they ingest, scarf down all manner of food and drugs that are bad for them, and didn't get the vaccine when it was well proven and received by millions upon millions of people without incident. So, it's clear that the "not sufficiently tested" explanation for reluctance was a pretext. For a variety of reasons, COVID mitigation efforts of all kinds became tribal and political. The vaccine became controversial because Trump supporters were opposed to COVID mitigation measures generally.

People who are hesitant to vaccinate themselves or their child with a vaccine that is still under EUA and wanted to wait, are not the same as people who wouldn't take a vaccine at all, who thought it made them magnetic, was population control, was killing people, that COVID was a hoax. Labeling all vaccine hesitancy as political is just not helping anyone, nor is it true.

The vaccines were approved by the CDC and are perfectly safe. Stop beating this dead horse.

You are misinformed. The pp is correct. Covid vaccines didnt go through the same testing and authorization requirements that normal drugs and vaccines go through. Here, let the FDA speak for themselves: https://www.fda.gov/vaccines-blood-biologics/vaccines/emergency-use-authorization-vaccines-explained

Yet when all was said and done, the vaccines DID end up with far more testing than most other drugs have ever had - and the result is that after hundreds and hundreds of millions of doses given, the number of actual proven cases where the vaccines did any meaningful damage was a microscopically small percentage, far smaller than most other vaccines and drugs on the market.

I'll need to see a source for your claim that the covid vaccines have a side effect rate "far smaller than most other vaccines." I suspect you are making that up.

Even if that were true, the fact remains that using a vaccine that has not been through the testing required for FDA approval is riskier, and some hesitation is rational, not conspiratorial. Moreover, the vaccines arent particularly effective, so at this point, it doesnt make a lot of sense to care whether other people are vaccinated. Once it became clear that vaccines do nothing to slow the spread of the virus, I decided it wasnt my business if other people choose not to take it. It doesnt affect me either way. The mandate, however, affects all of because it is contributing to a worker shortage.

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Anonymous wrote:We knew this over a year ago.

Between the Covid restrictions and the ridiculous remote "learning," many people have decided they prefer the freedom red states have to offer.

That is why Covid policy is a big deal when voting. If you liked the blue states' policies, vote for them. I'll stick with the route the red states took.

I love the freedom that Texas gives women over their own bodies.

Versus the blue cities, like Los Angeles and NYC, who unethically pushed Covid vaccines on 12 year olds to attend public school.

No freedom for our families and our kids, I guess.

No one ever had to be vaccinated to attend school before, right? What a bunch of delusional dopes.

This is what is so bizarre to me. Even in college in the '90s I had to prove that I had basic vaccinations or a religious exemption. I had to provide vaccination records for my children's school and their daycares from the time that they started so at about 6 months. Never has it been so controversial until Trump told people to start drinking bleach.

It was controversial because the vaccine didnt go through the normal FDA process that assures safety. Im fully vaccinated, but it's not unreasonable for people to be wary of new vaccine with less stringent controls. Very frankly, I was glad I had no risk factors and had to wait at the back of the line.

That's not why it was controversial. That's an excuse some people gave. But they don't know anything about the other vaccines they take, don't know anything about the food they ingest, scarf down all manner of food and drugs that are bad for them, and didn't get the vaccine when it was well proven and received by millions upon millions of people without incident. So, it's clear that the "not sufficiently tested" explanation for reluctance was a pretext. For a variety of reasons, COVID mitigation efforts of all kinds became tribal and political. The vaccine became controversial because Trump supporters were opposed to COVID mitigation measures generally.

People who are hesitant to vaccinate themselves or their child with a vaccine that is still under EUA and wanted to wait, are not the same as people who wouldn't take a vaccine at all, who thought it made them magnetic, was population control, was killing people, that COVID was a hoax. Labeling all vaccine hesitancy as political is just not helping anyone, nor is it true.

The vaccines were approved by the CDC and are perfectly safe. Stop beating this dead horse.

You are misinformed. The pp is correct. Covid vaccines didnt go through the same testing and authorization requirements that normal drugs and vaccines go through. Here, let the FDA speak for themselves: https://www.fda.gov/vaccines-blood-biologics/vaccines/emergency-use-authorization-vaccines-explained

Yet when all was said and done, the vaccines DID end up with far more testing than most other drugs have ever had - and the result is that after hundreds and hundreds of millions of doses given, the number of actual proven cases where the vaccines did any meaningful damage was a microscopically small percentage, far smaller than most other vaccines and drugs on the market.

I'll need to see a source for your claim that the covid vaccines have a side effect rate "far smaller than most other vaccines." I suspect you are making that up.

Even if that were true, the fact remains that using a vaccine that has not been through the testing required for FDA approval is riskier, and some hesitation is rational, not conspiratorial. Moreover, the vaccines arent particularly effective, so at this point, it doesnt make a lot of sense to care whether other people are vaccinated. Once it became clear that vaccines do nothing to slow the spread of the virus, I decided it wasnt my business if other people choose not to take it. It doesnt affect me either way. The mandate, however, affects all of because it is contributing to a worker shortage.

Rates of serious side effects like clotting or myocarditis were in the handful-per-million range. That's lower than your chances of being struck by lighting. It was truly bizarre to see people in hysterics over supposed "vaccine risk" yet not going out in public wearing faraday cages to mitigate far more likely lightning risk. And if you agree that the visual of walking around wearing a faraday cage is pretty bizarre, that is actually less bizarre and outlandish than anti-vax hysterics where it comes to actual risk.

Worker shortage? Have you not seen the data? Hiring has been gangbusters. But that said, do you know what also has been driving worker shortage? Covid itself. People like my anti-vaxxer cousin who got sick, ended up in a hospital for several months, almost died - she got out of the hospital 9 months ago but still can't work because of the long term debilitating health problems she's been having.

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Anonymous wrote:We knew this over a year ago.

Between the Covid restrictions and the ridiculous remote "learning," many people have decided they prefer the freedom red states have to offer.

That is why Covid policy is a big deal when voting. If you liked the blue states' policies, vote for them. I'll stick with the route the red states took.

I love the freedom that Texas gives women over their own bodies.

Versus the blue cities, like Los Angeles and NYC, who unethically pushed Covid vaccines on 12 year olds to attend public school.

No freedom for our families and our kids, I guess.

No one ever had to be vaccinated to attend school before, right? What a bunch of delusional dopes.

This is what is so bizarre to me. Even in college in the '90s I had to prove that I had basic vaccinations or a religious exemption. I had to provide vaccination records for my children's school and their daycares from the time that they started so at about 6 months. Never has it been so controversial until Trump told people to start drinking bleach.

It was controversial because the vaccine didnt go through the normal FDA process that assures safety. Im fully vaccinated, but it's not unreasonable for people to be wary of new vaccine with less stringent controls. Very frankly, I was glad I had no risk factors and had to wait at the back of the line.

That's not why it was controversial. That's an excuse some people gave. But they don't know anything about the other vaccines they take, don't know anything about the food they ingest, scarf down all manner of food and drugs that are bad for them, and didn't get the vaccine when it was well proven and received by millions upon millions of people without incident. So, it's clear that the "not sufficiently tested" explanation for reluctance was a pretext. For a variety of reasons, COVID mitigation efforts of all kinds became tribal and political. The vaccine became controversial because Trump supporters were opposed to COVID mitigation measures generally.

People who are hesitant to vaccinate themselves or their child with a vaccine that is still under EUA and wanted to wait, are not the same as people who wouldn't take a vaccine at all, who thought it made them magnetic, was population control, was killing people, that COVID was a hoax. Labeling all vaccine hesitancy as political is just not helping anyone, nor is it true.

The vaccines were approved by the CDC and are perfectly safe. Stop beating this dead horse.

You are misinformed. The pp is correct. Covid vaccines didnt go through the same testing and authorization requirements that normal drugs and vaccines go through. Here, let the FDA speak for themselves: https://www.fda.gov/vaccines-blood-biologics/vaccines/emergency-use-authorization-vaccines-explained

Yet when all was said and done, the vaccines DID end up with far more testing than most other drugs have ever had - and the result is that after hundreds and hundreds of millions of doses given, the number of actual proven cases where the vaccines did any meaningful damage was a microscopically small percentage, far smaller than most other vaccines and drugs on the market.

I'll need to see a source for your claim that the covid vaccines have a side effect rate "far smaller than most other vaccines." I suspect you are making that up.

Even if that were true, the fact remains that using a vaccine that has not been through the testing required for FDA approval is riskier, and some hesitation is rational, not conspiratorial. Moreover, the vaccines arent particularly effective, so at this point, it doesnt make a lot of sense to care whether other people are vaccinated. Once it became clear that vaccines do nothing to slow the spread of the virus, I decided it wasnt my business if other people choose not to take it. It doesnt affect me either way. The mandate, however, affects all of because it is contributing to a worker shortage.

Rates of serious side effects like clotting or myocarditis were in the handful-per-million range. That's lower than your chances of being struck by lighting. It was truly bizarre to see people in hysterics over supposed "vaccine risk" yet not going out in public wearing faraday cages to mitigate far more likely lightning risk. And if you agree that the visual of walking around wearing a faraday cage is pretty bizarre, that is actually less bizarre and outlandish than anti-vax hysterics where it comes to actual risk.

Worker shortage? Have you not seen the data? Hiring has been gangbusters. But that said, do you know what also has been driving worker shortage? Covid itself. People like my anti-vaxxer cousin who got sick, ended up in a hospital for several months, almost died - she got out of the hospital 9 months ago but still can't work because of the long term debilitating health problems she's been having.

Im asking for a comparison of the covid vaccines vs other common vaccines. You said the covid vaccines have a "far smaller" rate of damaging side effects compared to other vaccines. This is a bold claim and I would like to see the data.

There is a worker shortage. The jobs report just showed that more people have been hired-- not that we have enough to fill shortages in critical industries like aviation, health care, etc.

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Anonymous wrote:We knew this over a year ago.

Between the Covid restrictions and the ridiculous remote "learning," many people have decided they prefer the freedom red states have to offer.

That is why Covid policy is a big deal when voting. If you liked the blue states' policies, vote for them. I'll stick with the route the red states took.

I love the freedom that Texas gives women over their own bodies.

Versus the blue cities, like Los Angeles and NYC, who unethically pushed Covid vaccines on 12 year olds to attend public school.

No freedom for our families and our kids, I guess.

No one ever had to be vaccinated to attend school before, right? What a bunch of delusional dopes.

This is what is so bizarre to me. Even in college in the '90s I had to prove that I had basic vaccinations or a religious exemption. I had to provide vaccination records for my children's school and their daycares from the time that they started so at about 6 months. Never has it been so controversial until Trump told people to start drinking bleach.

It was controversial because the vaccine didnt go through the normal FDA process that assures safety. Im fully vaccinated, but it's not unreasonable for people to be wary of new vaccine with less stringent controls. Very frankly, I was glad I had no risk factors and had to wait at the back of the line.

That's not why it was controversial. That's an excuse some people gave. But they don't know anything about the other vaccines they take, don't know anything about the food they ingest, scarf down all manner of food and drugs that are bad for them, and didn't get the vaccine when it was well proven and received by millions upon millions of people without incident. So, it's clear that the "not sufficiently tested" explanation for reluctance was a pretext. For a variety of reasons, COVID mitigation efforts of all kinds became tribal and political. The vaccine became controversial because Trump supporters were opposed to COVID mitigation measures generally.

People who are hesitant to vaccinate themselves or their child with a vaccine that is still under EUA and wanted to wait, are not the same as people who wouldn't take a vaccine at all, who thought it made them magnetic, was population control, was killing people, that COVID was a hoax. Labeling all vaccine hesitancy as political is just not helping anyone, nor is it true.

Sorry, I don't buy that people who smoke, drink, and speed despite the known risks were "hesitant" because of their diligent assessment of the pros and cons of the EUA process and the attendant marginal risks of getting vaccinated.

We're not talking about the same people.

Dont you know that in order to discredit the opposition, you have to demonize them first?

Yes, the diabetics stuffing Bugles into their faces, drinking Mountain Dew and smoking cigarettes while expressing hesitancy over a vaccine used by millions with no adverse effects in the face of COVID which has far worse consequences -- they are the real victims.

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Anonymous wrote:We knew this over a year ago.

Between the Covid restrictions and the ridiculous remote "learning," many people have decided they prefer the freedom red states have to offer.

That is why Covid policy is a big deal when voting. If you liked the blue states' policies, vote for them. I'll stick with the route the red states took.

I love the freedom that Texas gives women over their own bodies.

Versus the blue cities, like Los Angeles and NYC, who unethically pushed Covid vaccines on 12 year olds to attend public school.

No freedom for our families and our kids, I guess.

No one ever had to be vaccinated to attend school before, right? What a bunch of delusional dopes.

This is what is so bizarre to me. Even in college in the '90s I had to prove that I had basic vaccinations or a religious exemption. I had to provide vaccination records for my children's school and their daycares from the time that they started so at about 6 months. Never has it been so controversial until Trump told people to start drinking bleach.

It was controversial because the vaccine didnt go through the normal FDA process that assures safety. Im fully vaccinated, but it's not unreasonable for people to be wary of new vaccine with less stringent controls. Very frankly, I was glad I had no risk factors and had to wait at the back of the line.

That's not why it was controversial. That's an excuse some people gave. But they don't know anything about the other vaccines they take, don't know anything about the food they ingest, scarf down all manner of food and drugs that are bad for them, and didn't get the vaccine when it was well proven and received by millions upon millions of people without incident. So, it's clear that the "not sufficiently tested" explanation for reluctance was a pretext. For a variety of reasons, COVID mitigation efforts of all kinds became tribal and political. The vaccine became controversial because Trump supporters were opposed to COVID mitigation measures generally.

People who are hesitant to vaccinate themselves or their child with a vaccine that is still under EUA and wanted to wait, are not the same as people who wouldn't take a vaccine at all, who thought it made them magnetic, was population control, was killing people, that COVID was a hoax. Labeling all vaccine hesitancy as political is just not helping anyone, nor is it true.

The vaccines were approved by the CDC and are perfectly safe. Stop beating this dead horse.

You are misinformed. The pp is correct. Covid vaccines didnt go through the same testing and authorization requirements that normal drugs and vaccines go through. Here, let the FDA speak for themselves: https://www.fda.gov/vaccines-blood-biologics/vaccines/emergency-use-authorization-vaccines-explained

Yet when all was said and done, the vaccines DID end up with far more testing than most other drugs have ever had - and the result is that after hundreds and hundreds of millions of doses given, the number of actual proven cases where the vaccines did any meaningful damage was a microscopically small percentage, far smaller than most other vaccines and drugs on the market.

I'll need to see a source for your claim that the covid vaccines have a side effect rate "far smaller than most other vaccines." I suspect you are making that up.

Even if that were true, the fact remains that using a vaccine that has not been through the testing required for FDA approval is riskier, and some hesitation is rational, not conspiratorial. Moreover, the vaccines arent particularly effective, so at this point, it doesnt make a lot of sense to care whether other people are vaccinated. Once it became clear that vaccines do nothing to slow the spread of the virus, I decided it wasnt my business if other people choose not to take it. It doesnt affect me either way. The mandate, however, affects all of because it is contributing to a worker shortage.

Rates of serious side effects like clotting or myocarditis were in the handful-per-million range. That's lower than your chances of being struck by lighting. It was truly bizarre to see people in hysterics over supposed "vaccine risk" yet not going out in public wearing faraday cages to mitigate far more likely lightning risk. And if you agree that the visual of walking around wearing a faraday cage is pretty bizarre, that is actually less bizarre and outlandish than anti-vax hysterics where it comes to actual risk.

Worker shortage? Have you not seen the data? Hiring has been gangbusters. But that said, do you know what also has been driving worker shortage? Covid itself. People like my anti-vaxxer cousin who got sick, ended up in a hospital for several months, almost died - she got out of the hospital 9 months ago but still can't work because of the long term debilitating health problems she's been having.

Im asking for a comparison of the covid vaccines vs other common vaccines. You said the covid vaccines have a "far smaller" rate of damaging side effects compared to other vaccines. This is a bold claim and I would like to see the data.

There is a worker shortage. The jobs report just showed that more people have been hired-- not that we have enough to fill shortages in critical industries like aviation, health care, etc.

Healthcare attrition is primarily due to pandemic fatigue, not vaccine mandates. Though vaccine mandates did result in dome people leaving, it was primarily less clinically educated roles which were more easily replaced. At my organization it was a lot of people numerically (300ish) but that represented roughly a half percent of the entire workforce and mostly folks in depts such as food service, patient transport, facility management which are sadly more easily replaced as those roles don't require any specialized education. Vaccine uptake was highest among physicians, ICU nurses, then regular nurses, less so among nurses aides and then declining to ancillary roles. Basically correlated to level of clinical education.

The reason front line clinical staff left was primarily pandemic fatigue snd general preexisting frustration with working in healthcare as it's already a difficult industry at baseline.

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Anonymous wrote:We knew this over a year ago.

Between the Covid restrictions and the ridiculous remote "learning," many people have decided they prefer the freedom red states have to offer.

That is why Covid policy is a big deal when voting. If you liked the blue states' policies, vote for them. I'll stick with the route the red states took.

I love the freedom that Texas gives women over their own bodies.

Versus the blue cities, like Los Angeles and NYC, who unethically pushed Covid vaccines on 12 year olds to attend public school.

No freedom for our families and our kids, I guess.

No one ever had to be vaccinated to attend school before, right? What a bunch of delusional dopes.

This is what is so bizarre to me. Even in college in the '90s I had to prove that I had basic vaccinations or a religious exemption. I had to provide vaccination records for my children's school and their daycares from the time that they started so at about 6 months. Never has it been so controversial until Trump told people to start drinking bleach.

It was controversial because the vaccine didnt go through the normal FDA process that assures safety. Im fully vaccinated, but it's not unreasonable for people to be wary of new vaccine with less stringent controls. Very frankly, I was glad I had no risk factors and had to wait at the back of the line.

That's not why it was controversial. That's an excuse some people gave. But they don't know anything about the other vaccines they take, don't know anything about the food they ingest, scarf down all manner of food and drugs that are bad for them, and didn't get the vaccine when it was well proven and received by millions upon millions of people without incident. So, it's clear that the "not sufficiently tested" explanation for reluctance was a pretext. For a variety of reasons, COVID mitigation efforts of all kinds became tribal and political. The vaccine became controversial because Trump supporters were opposed to COVID mitigation measures generally.

People who are hesitant to vaccinate themselves or their child with a vaccine that is still under EUA and wanted to wait, are not the same as people who wouldn't take a vaccine at all, who thought it made them magnetic, was population control, was killing people, that COVID was a hoax. Labeling all vaccine hesitancy as political is just not helping anyone, nor is it true.

The vaccines were approved by the CDC and are perfectly safe. Stop beating this dead horse.

You are misinformed. The pp is correct. Covid vaccines didnt go through the same testing and authorization requirements that normal drugs and vaccines go through. Here, let the FDA speak for themselves: https://www.fda.gov/vaccines-blood-biologics/vaccines/emergency-use-authorization-vaccines-explained

Yet when all was said and done, the vaccines DID end up with far more testing than most other drugs have ever had - and the result is that after hundreds and hundreds of millions of doses given, the number of actual proven cases where the vaccines did any meaningful damage was a microscopically small percentage, far smaller than most other vaccines and drugs on the market.

*Particularly" when one does a cost/benefit comparing the risks of COVID vaccines against the reduction in chances of getting sick from COVID, reduction in ability to spread COVID, and reduction in harm if one does get COVID.

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Anonymous wrote:We knew this over a year ago.

Between the Covid restrictions and the ridiculous remote "learning," many people have decided they prefer the freedom red states have to offer.

That is why Covid policy is a big deal when voting. If you liked the blue states' policies, vote for them. I'll stick with the route the red states took.

freedom to own assault rifles

They moved because it was spacious and cheap. They went, they saw, they are coming back in droves

https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2022-manhattan-real-estate-moving-data/

They moved to racist backwards COVID rampaging red areas to save a little money and have a backyard?

Smh.

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Anonymous wrote:We knew this over a year ago.

Between the Covid restrictions and the ridiculous remote "learning," many people have decided they prefer the freedom red states have to offer.

That is why Covid policy is a big deal when voting. If you liked the blue states' policies, vote for them. I'll stick with the route the red states took.

I love the freedom that Texas gives women over their own bodies.

Versus the blue cities, like Los Angeles and NYC, who unethically pushed Covid vaccines on 12 year olds to attend public school.

No freedom for our families and our kids, I guess.

No one ever had to be vaccinated to attend school before, right? What a bunch of delusional dopes.

This is what is so bizarre to me. Even in college in the '90s I had to prove that I had basic vaccinations or a religious exemption. I had to provide vaccination records for my children's school and their daycares from the time that they started so at about 6 months. Never has it been so controversial until Trump told people to start drinking bleach.

It was controversial because the vaccine didnt go through the normal FDA process that assures safety. Im fully vaccinated, but it's not unreasonable for people to be wary of new vaccine with less stringent controls. Very frankly, I was glad I had no risk factors and had to wait at the back of the line.

That's not why it was controversial. That's an excuse some people gave. But they don't know anything about the other vaccines they take, don't know anything about the food they ingest, scarf down all manner of food and drugs that are bad for them, and didn't get the vaccine when it was well proven and received by millions upon millions of people without incident. So, it's clear that the "not sufficiently tested" explanation for reluctance was a pretext. For a variety of reasons, COVID mitigation efforts of all kinds became tribal and political. The vaccine became controversial because Trump supporters were opposed to COVID mitigation measures generally.

People who are hesitant to vaccinate themselves or their child with a vaccine that is still under EUA and wanted to wait, are not the same as people who wouldn't take a vaccine at all, who thought it made them magnetic, was population control, was killing people, that COVID was a hoax. Labeling all vaccine hesitancy as political is just not helping anyone, nor is it true.

The vaccines were approved by the CDC and are perfectly safe. Stop beating this dead horse.

You are misinformed. The pp is correct. Covid vaccines didnt go through the same testing and authorization requirements that normal drugs and vaccines go through. Here, let the FDA speak for themselves: https://www.fda.gov/vaccines-blood-biologics/vaccines/emergency-use-authorization-vaccines-explained

Yet when all was said and done, the vaccines DID end up with far more testing than most other drugs have ever had - and the result is that after hundreds and hundreds of millions of doses given, the number of actual proven cases where the vaccines did any meaningful damage was a microscopically small percentage, far smaller than most other vaccines and drugs on the market.

I'll need to see a source for your claim that the covid vaccines have a side effect rate "far smaller than most other vaccines." I suspect you are making that up.

Even if that were true, the fact remains that using a vaccine that has not been through the testing required for FDA approval is riskier, and some hesitation is rational, not conspiratorial. Moreover, the vaccines arent particularly effective, so at this point, it doesnt make a lot of sense to care whether other people are vaccinated. Once it became clear that vaccines do nothing to slow the spread of the virus, I decided it wasnt my business if other people choose not to take it. It doesnt affect me either way. The mandate, however, affects all of because it is contributing to a worker shortage.

Rates of serious side effects like clotting or myocarditis were in the handful-per-million range. That's lower than your chances of being struck by lighting. It was truly bizarre to see people in hysterics over supposed "vaccine risk" yet not going out in public wearing faraday cages to mitigate far more likely lightning risk. And if you agree that the visual of walking around wearing a faraday cage is pretty bizarre, that is actually less bizarre and outlandish than anti-vax hysterics where it comes to actual risk.

Worker shortage? Have you not seen the data? Hiring has been gangbusters. But that said, do you know what also has been driving worker shortage? Covid itself. People like my anti-vaxxer cousin who got sick, ended up in a hospital for several months, almost died - she got out of the hospital 9 months ago but still can't work because of the long term debilitating health problems she's been having.

And that we'll all be paying for in disability payments, increased health insurance payments, fewer health insurance benefits, and possibly Medicare and Medicaid.

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Deaths are up in working age population after no longterm safety tested shot that doesn’t stop getting or spreading the bug

https://youtu.be/Sp8ciwi0CL8

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Anonymous wrote:Deaths are up in working age population after no longterm safety tested shot that doesn’t stop getting or spreading the bug

https://youtu.be/Sp8ciwi0CL8

Uh your source is a single fringe person in a video on YouTube? Hello conspiracy theorist who will only believe what you're determined to believe and will never ever ever believe anything other than your strongly held, impossible to disprove because you'll ignore anything to the contrary as "fake news" personal bias for the rest of your life while ironically calling everyone else sheep.

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Anonymous wrote:We knew this over a year ago.

Between the Covid restrictions and the ridiculous remote "learning," many people have decided they prefer the freedom red states have to offer.

That is why Covid policy is a big deal when voting. If you liked the blue states' policies, vote for them. I'll stick with the route the red states took.

I love the freedom that Texas gives women over their own bodies.

Versus the blue cities, like Los Angeles and NYC, who unethically pushed Covid vaccines on 12 year olds to attend public school.

No freedom for our families and our kids, I guess.

No one ever had to be vaccinated to attend school before, right? What a bunch of delusional dopes.

This is what is so bizarre to me. Even in college in the '90s I had to prove that I had basic vaccinations or a religious exemption. I had to provide vaccination records for my children's school and their daycares from the time that they started so at about 6 months. Never has it been so controversial until Trump told people to start drinking bleach.

It was controversial because the vaccine didnt go through the normal FDA process that assures safety. Im fully vaccinated, but it's not unreasonable for people to be wary of new vaccine with less stringent controls. Very frankly, I was glad I had no risk factors and had to wait at the back of the line.

That's not why it was controversial. That's an excuse some people gave. But they don't know anything about the other vaccines they take, don't know anything about the food they ingest, scarf down all manner of food and drugs that are bad for them, and didn't get the vaccine when it was well proven and received by millions upon millions of people without incident. So, it's clear that the "not sufficiently tested" explanation for reluctance was a pretext. For a variety of reasons, COVID mitigation efforts of all kinds became tribal and political. The vaccine became controversial because Trump supporters were opposed to COVID mitigation measures generally.

Uruguay asked Pfizer to tell them what was in the vaccine and Pfizer is choosing not to. I would think they would be eager to put conspiracy to rest?

https://en.mercopress.com/2022/07/04/uruguayan-judge-demands-explanations-regarding-pfizer-s-covid-19-vax

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Stop spreading ignorance.

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What’s to recover in a red state?

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Anonymous wrote:We knew this over a year ago.

Between the Covid restrictions and the ridiculous remote "learning," many people have decided they prefer the freedom red states have to offer.

That is why Covid policy is a big deal when voting. If you liked the blue states' policies, vote for them. I'll stick with the route the red states took.

I love the freedom that Texas gives women over their own bodies.

Versus the blue cities, like Los Angeles and NYC, who unethically pushed Covid vaccines on 12 year olds to attend public school.

No freedom for our families and our kids, I guess.

No one ever had to be vaccinated to attend school before, right? What a bunch of delusional dopes.

This is what is so bizarre to me. Even in college in the '90s I had to prove that I had basic vaccinations or a religious exemption. I had to provide vaccination records for my children's school and their daycares from the time that they started so at about 6 months. Never has it been so controversial until Trump told people to start drinking bleach.

It was controversial because the vaccine didnt go through the normal FDA process that assures safety. Im fully vaccinated, but it's not unreasonable for people to be wary of new vaccine with less stringent controls. Very frankly, I was glad I had no risk factors and had to wait at the back of the line.

That's not why it was controversial. That's an excuse some people gave. But they don't know anything about the other vaccines they take, don't know anything about the food they ingest, scarf down all manner of food and drugs that are bad for them, and didn't get the vaccine when it was well proven and received by millions upon millions of people without incident. So, it's clear that the "not sufficiently tested" explanation for reluctance was a pretext. For a variety of reasons, COVID mitigation efforts of all kinds became tribal and political. The vaccine became controversial because Trump supporters were opposed to COVID mitigation measures generally.

People who are hesitant to vaccinate themselves or their child with a vaccine that is still under EUA and wanted to wait, are not the same as people who wouldn't take a vaccine at all, who thought it made them magnetic, was population control, was killing people, that COVID was a hoax. Labeling all vaccine hesitancy as political is just not helping anyone, nor is it true.

The vaccines were approved by the CDC and are perfectly safe. Stop beating this dead horse.

You are misinformed. The pp is correct. Covid vaccines didnt go through the same testing and authorization requirements that normal drugs and vaccines go through. Here, let the FDA speak for themselves: https://www.fda.gov/vaccines-blood-biologics/vaccines/emergency-use-authorization-vaccines-explained

Yet when all was said and done, the vaccines DID end up with far more testing than most other drugs have ever had - and the result is that after hundreds and hundreds of millions of doses given, the number of actual proven cases where the vaccines did any meaningful damage was a microscopically small percentage, far smaller than most other vaccines and drugs on the market.

Once the data was forced out into the open, that’s no longer considered to be the case

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Anonymous wrote:We knew this over a year ago.

Between the Covid restrictions and the ridiculous remote "learning," many people have decided they prefer the freedom red states have to offer.

That is why Covid policy is a big deal when voting. If you liked the blue states' policies, vote for them. I'll stick with the route the red states took.

I love the freedom that Texas gives women over their own bodies.

Versus the blue cities, like Los Angeles and NYC, who unethically pushed Covid vaccines on 12 year olds to attend public school.

No freedom for our families and our kids, I guess.

No one ever had to be vaccinated to attend school before, right? What a bunch of delusional dopes.

This is what is so bizarre to me. Even in college in the '90s I had to prove that I had basic vaccinations or a religious exemption. I had to provide vaccination records for my children's school and their daycares from the time that they started so at about 6 months. Never has it been so controversial until Trump told people to start drinking bleach.

It was controversial because the vaccine didnt go through the normal FDA process that assures safety. Im fully vaccinated, but it's not unreasonable for people to be wary of new vaccine with less stringent controls. Very frankly, I was glad I had no risk factors and had to wait at the back of the line.

That's not why it was controversial. That's an excuse some people gave. But they don't know anything about the other vaccines they take, don't know anything about the food they ingest, scarf down all manner of food and drugs that are bad for them, and didn't get the vaccine when it was well proven and received by millions upon millions of people without incident. So, it's clear that the "not sufficiently tested" explanation for reluctance was a pretext. For a variety of reasons, COVID mitigation efforts of all kinds became tribal and political. The vaccine became controversial because Trump supporters were opposed to COVID mitigation measures generally.

People who are hesitant to vaccinate themselves or their child with a vaccine that is still under EUA and wanted to wait, are not the same as people who wouldn't take a vaccine at all, who thought it made them magnetic, was population control, was killing people, that COVID was a hoax. Labeling all vaccine hesitancy as political is just not helping anyone, nor is it true.

The vaccines were approved by the CDC and are perfectly safe. Stop beating this dead horse.

You are misinformed. The pp is correct. Covid vaccines didnt go through the same testing and authorization requirements that normal drugs and vaccines go through. Here, let the FDA speak for themselves: https://www.fda.gov/vaccines-blood-biologics/vaccines/emergency-use-authorization-vaccines-explained

Yet when all was said and done, the vaccines DID end up with far more testing than most other drugs have ever had - and the result is that after hundreds and hundreds of millions of doses given, the number of actual proven cases where the vaccines did any meaningful damage was a microscopically small percentage, far smaller than most other vaccines and drugs on the market.

Once the data was forced out into the open, that’s no longer considered to be the case

Please show me where we had entire hospital units dedicated to vaccine injury patients?

-Healthcare worker. I saw two possible vaccine injury patients (one myocarditis case and kne neuroloical case and both did ok and were discharged home). I have seen hundreds of covid cases at this point, many deaths, a lot of permanent injury related to covid that lived, but with cardiac or other kinds of damage.

I will take the covid vaccine over covid any day based on my kwn eyes and ears of lived experience. Covid is going away. Things I do not like avout COVID based on my lived experience: the way it makes people clot. It was a significant issue in dialysis patients and CRRT patients that those with COVID would have clotted lines more often which led to additional complications such as bloodstream infections.