Red states recover faster than blue

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Anonymous wrote:We knew this over a year ago.

Between the Covid restrictions and the ridiculous remote "learning," many people have decided they prefer the freedom red states have to offer.

That is why Covid policy is a big deal when voting. If you liked the blue states' policies, vote for them. I'll stick with the route the red states took.


I love the freedom that Texas gives women over their own bodies.


Versus the blue cities, like Los Angeles and NYC, who unethically pushed Covid vaccines on 12 year olds to attend public school.

No freedom for our families and our kids, I guess.


No one ever had to be vaccinated to attend school before, right? What a bunch of delusional dopes.


This is what is so bizarre to me. Even in college in the '90s I had to prove that I had basic vaccinations or a religious exemption. I had to provide vaccination records for my children's school and their daycares from the time that they started so at about 6 months. Never has it been so controversial until Trump told people to start drinking bleach.


It was controversial because the vaccine didnt go through the normal FDA process that assures safety. Im fully vaccinated, but it's not unreasonable for people to be wary of new vaccine with less stringent controls. Very frankly, I was glad I had no risk factors and had to wait at the back of the line.


That's not why it was controversial. That's an excuse some people gave. But they don't know anything about the other vaccines they take, don't know anything about the food they ingest, scarf down all manner of food and drugs that are bad for them, and didn't get the vaccine when it was well proven and received by millions upon millions of people without incident. So, it's clear that the "not sufficiently tested" explanation for reluctance was a pretext. For a variety of reasons, COVID mitigation efforts of all kinds became tribal and political. The vaccine became controversial because Trump supporters were opposed to COVID mitigation measures generally.


People who are hesitant to vaccinate themselves or their child with a vaccine that is still under EUA and wanted to wait, are not the same as people who wouldn't take a vaccine at all, who thought it made them magnetic, was population control, was killing people, that COVID was a hoax. Labeling all vaccine hesitancy as political is just not helping anyone, nor is it true.


The vaccines were approved by the CDC and are perfectly safe. Stop beating this dead horse.


You are misinformed. The pp is correct. Covid vaccines didnt go through the same testing and authorization requirements that normal drugs and vaccines go through. Here, let the FDA speak for themselves: https://www.fda.gov/vaccines-blood-biologics/vaccines/emergency-use-authorization-vaccines-explained


Yet when all was said and done, the vaccines DID end up with far more testing than most other drugs have ever had - and the result is that after hundreds and hundreds of millions of doses given, the number of actual proven cases where the vaccines did any meaningful damage was a microscopically small percentage, far smaller than most other vaccines and drugs on the market.


Once the data was forced out into the open, that’s no longer considered to be the case


Please show me where we had entire hospital units dedicated to vaccine injury patients?

-Healthcare worker. I saw two possible vaccine injury patients (one myocarditis case and kne neuroloical case and both did ok and were discharged home). I have seen hundreds of covid cases at this point, many deaths, a lot of permanent injury related to covid that lived, but with cardiac or other kinds of damage.

I will take the covid vaccine over covid any day based on my kwn eyes and ears of lived experience. Covid is going away. Things I do not like avout COVID based on my lived experience: the way it makes people clot. It was a significant issue in dialysis patients and CRRT patients that those with COVID would have clotted lines more often which led to additional complications such as bloodstream infections.


*Meant to say covid is NOT going away.
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Anonymous wrote:We knew this over a year ago.

Between the Covid restrictions and the ridiculous remote "learning," many people have decided they prefer the freedom red states have to offer.

That is why Covid policy is a big deal when voting. If you liked the blue states' policies, vote for them. I'll stick with the route the red states took.


I love the freedom that Texas gives women over their own bodies.


Versus the blue cities, like Los Angeles and NYC, who unethically pushed Covid vaccines on 12 year olds to attend public school.

No freedom for our families and our kids, I guess.


No one ever had to be vaccinated to attend school before, right? What a bunch of delusional dopes.


This is what is so bizarre to me. Even in college in the '90s I had to prove that I had basic vaccinations or a religious exemption. I had to provide vaccination records for my children's school and their daycares from the time that they started so at about 6 months. Never has it been so controversial until Trump told people to start drinking bleach.


It was controversial because the vaccine didnt go through the normal FDA process that assures safety. Im fully vaccinated, but it's not unreasonable for people to be wary of new vaccine with less stringent controls. Very frankly, I was glad I had no risk factors and had to wait at the back of the line.


That's not why it was controversial. That's an excuse some people gave. But they don't know anything about the other vaccines they take, don't know anything about the food they ingest, scarf down all manner of food and drugs that are bad for them, and didn't get the vaccine when it was well proven and received by millions upon millions of people without incident. So, it's clear that the "not sufficiently tested" explanation for reluctance was a pretext. For a variety of reasons, COVID mitigation efforts of all kinds became tribal and political. The vaccine became controversial because Trump supporters were opposed to COVID mitigation measures generally.


People who are hesitant to vaccinate themselves or their child with a vaccine that is still under EUA and wanted to wait, are not the same as people who wouldn't take a vaccine at all, who thought it made them magnetic, was population control, was killing people, that COVID was a hoax. Labeling all vaccine hesitancy as political is just not helping anyone, nor is it true.


The vaccines were approved by the CDC and are perfectly safe. Stop beating this dead horse.


You are misinformed. The pp is correct. Covid vaccines didnt go through the same testing and authorization requirements that normal drugs and vaccines go through. Here, let the FDA speak for themselves: https://www.fda.gov/vaccines-blood-biologics/vaccines/emergency-use-authorization-vaccines-explained


Yet when all was said and done, the vaccines DID end up with far more testing than most other drugs have ever had - and the result is that after hundreds and hundreds of millions of doses given, the number of actual proven cases where the vaccines did any meaningful damage was a microscopically small percentage, far smaller than most other vaccines and drugs on the market.


I'll need to see a source for your claim that the covid vaccines have a side effect rate "far smaller than most other vaccines." I suspect you are making that up.

Even if that were true, the fact remains that using a vaccine that has not been through the testing required for FDA approval is riskier, and some hesitation is rational, not conspiratorial. Moreover, the vaccines arent particularly effective, so at this point, it doesnt make a lot of sense to care whether other people are vaccinated. Once it became clear that vaccines do nothing to slow the spread of the virus, I decided it wasnt my business if other people choose not to take it. It doesnt affect me either way. The mandate, however, affects all of because it is contributing to a worker shortage.


Rates of serious side effects like clotting or myocarditis were in the handful-per-million range. That's lower than your chances of being struck by lighting. It was truly bizarre to see people in hysterics over supposed "vaccine risk" yet not going out in public wearing faraday cages to mitigate far more likely lightning risk. And if you agree that the visual of walking around wearing a faraday cage is pretty bizarre, that is actually less bizarre and outlandish than anti-vax hysterics where it comes to actual risk.

Worker shortage? Have you not seen the data? Hiring has been gangbusters. But that said, do you know what also has been driving worker shortage? Covid itself. People like my anti-vaxxer cousin who got sick, ended up in a hospital for several months, almost died - she got out of the hospital 9 months ago but still can't work because of the long term debilitating health problems she's been having.


Im asking for a comparison of the covid vaccines vs other common vaccines. You said the covid vaccines have a "far smaller" rate of damaging side effects compared to other vaccines. This is a bold claim and I would like to see the data.

There is a worker shortage. The jobs report just showed that more people have been hired-- not that we have enough to fill shortages in critical industries like aviation, health care, etc.


If you have some meaningful point you're trying to make with any of this other than just being negative and contrarian yet without any substantive conclusion, we're all missing it.
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Anonymous wrote:We knew this over a year ago.

Between the Covid restrictions and the ridiculous remote "learning," many people have decided they prefer the freedom red states have to offer.

That is why Covid policy is a big deal when voting. If you liked the blue states' policies, vote for them. I'll stick with the route the red states took.


I love the freedom that Texas gives women over their own bodies.


Versus the blue cities, like Los Angeles and NYC, who unethically pushed Covid vaccines on 12 year olds to attend public school.

No freedom for our families and our kids, I guess.


No one ever had to be vaccinated to attend school before, right? What a bunch of delusional dopes.


This is what is so bizarre to me. Even in college in the '90s I had to prove that I had basic vaccinations or a religious exemption. I had to provide vaccination records for my children's school and their daycares from the time that they started so at about 6 months. Never has it been so controversial until Trump told people to start drinking bleach.


It was controversial because the vaccine didnt go through the normal FDA process that assures safety. Im fully vaccinated, but it's not unreasonable for people to be wary of new vaccine with less stringent controls. Very frankly, I was glad I had no risk factors and had to wait at the back of the line.


That's not why it was controversial. That's an excuse some people gave. But they don't know anything about the other vaccines they take, don't know anything about the food they ingest, scarf down all manner of food and drugs that are bad for them, and didn't get the vaccine when it was well proven and received by millions upon millions of people without incident. So, it's clear that the "not sufficiently tested" explanation for reluctance was a pretext. For a variety of reasons, COVID mitigation efforts of all kinds became tribal and political. The vaccine became controversial because Trump supporters were opposed to COVID mitigation measures generally.


Uruguay asked Pfizer to tell them what was in the vaccine and Pfizer is choosing not to. I would think they would be eager to put conspiracy to rest?

https://en.mercopress.com/2022/07/04/uruguayan-judge-demands-explanations-regarding-pfizer-s-covid-19-vax



If you think Pfizer releasing information is going to put conspiracies to rest, you're a moron. They'll demand more information or nitpick, misrepresent, or take out of context the information they are given. Antivaxxer arguments are utterly in bad faith.
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Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:We knew this over a year ago.

Between the Covid restrictions and the ridiculous remote "learning," many people have decided they prefer the freedom red states have to offer.

That is why Covid policy is a big deal when voting. If you liked the blue states' policies, vote for them. I'll stick with the route the red states took.


I love the freedom that Texas gives women over their own bodies.


Versus the blue cities, like Los Angeles and NYC, who unethically pushed Covid vaccines on 12 year olds to attend public school.

No freedom for our families and our kids, I guess.


No one ever had to be vaccinated to attend school before, right? What a bunch of delusional dopes.


This is what is so bizarre to me. Even in college in the '90s I had to prove that I had basic vaccinations or a religious exemption. I had to provide vaccination records for my children's school and their daycares from the time that they started so at about 6 months. Never has it been so controversial until Trump told people to start drinking bleach.


It was controversial because the vaccine didnt go through the normal FDA process that assures safety. Im fully vaccinated, but it's not unreasonable for people to be wary of new vaccine with less stringent controls. Very frankly, I was glad I had no risk factors and had to wait at the back of the line.


That's not why it was controversial. That's an excuse some people gave. But they don't know anything about the other vaccines they take, don't know anything about the food they ingest, scarf down all manner of food and drugs that are bad for them, and didn't get the vaccine when it was well proven and received by millions upon millions of people without incident. So, it's clear that the "not sufficiently tested" explanation for reluctance was a pretext. For a variety of reasons, COVID mitigation efforts of all kinds became tribal and political. The vaccine became controversial because Trump supporters were opposed to COVID mitigation measures generally.


Uruguay asked Pfizer to tell them what was in the vaccine and Pfizer is choosing not to. I would think they would be eager to put conspiracy to rest?

https://en.mercopress.com/2022/07/04/uruguayan-judge-demands-explanations-regarding-pfizer-s-covid-19-vax



If you think Pfizer releasing information is going to put conspiracies to rest, you're a moron. They'll demand more information or nitpick, misrepresent, or take out of context the information they are given. Antivaxxer arguments are utterly in bad faith.


+1 nothing puts conspiracy theories to rest, no information, it's a pointless exercise. They only invent new theories to fit their preconceived, determinedly held, belief. I find arguing with a conspiracy theorist feels pretty much the same as talking to my relative with actual diagnosed paranoid schizophrenia.
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Anonymous wrote:We knew this over a year ago.

Between the Covid restrictions and the ridiculous remote "learning," many people have decided they prefer the freedom red states have to offer.

That is why Covid policy is a big deal when voting. If you liked the blue states' policies, vote for them. I'll stick with the route the red states took.


Freedom???? Where have you been the past couple of weeks? There’s no freedom for any female capable of bearing children anymore in those states.


I’m pro-choice. Choosing to have or not have an abortion is something that may or may not affect me a few times in my (or my daughters’ lifetime).

What the Democrats did outweighed that by a million times. The Democrats took away my kids schools. The Democrats used the pandemic to take away so many of our freedoms. The Democrats took away people’s right to work with their bogus vaccine mandates. They Democrats (NYC) took away kid’s rights to do pretty much anything with an unethical vaccine mandate for kids age 5+. The Democrats pushed for travel restrictions and mask mandates.

Yes, that matter more to me because it affected every single individual in my family.



Typical Republican, selfish to the core. Hope your daughter doesn’t die of an illegal abortion!
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