Boycott/ Divest and Pull your College App from All States which violate Our Daughters' Civil Rights

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Anonymous wrote:DH and I are both University of Notre Dame graduates as was my FIL. It’s in Indiana and very backward on women’s rights. Neither of our kids are allowed to even apply or accept recruitment.

Why?

Presumably you and your husband turned out fine? Presumably you received a good education, right?

But your kids aren’t allowed the option?

No, our kids are not allowed the option to go to Notre Dame. DH and I turned out fine because Notre Dame and Indiana were very different places in 1973 to 1977. Father Ted Hesburg was President, President Carter spoke at our graduation, the concept of “if you want peace - work for justice” was what the university was about. And if I was raped or got pregnant there was a Planned Parenthood within walking distance.

No, my kids cannot apply to this school even though we loved it in our day. The world has changed as has the school.

Eh, I don’t think it really has.

You’re Catholic, right?

So am I.

I’m also a lady lawyer whose FT day job for the last 25 years has been pursuing social justice.

ND and Georgetown and CUA and the rest have always been anti-abortion conservative bastions. While I’m a bleeding heart liberal who cheers for the Nuns on the Bus and priests who focus on social justice, I realize that Catholic academia is *very very conservative.* Always has been, always will be.

You are looking at your own education through rose colored, nostalgia infused glasses.

Honestly, I think you should let your kids go wherever they want. It’s their life. Plus, living in a liberal bubble isn’t good for liberals. It took me a decade in the social justice trenches before I realized our side wasn’t very effective at building consensus and advancing change. After mingling with the other side, I was much better equipped to change hearts and minds.

No. We have the power of veto and we’re vetoing our alma mater.

That’s fine. It won’t make a difference.

The real point of my comment is that ND hasn’t changed. It was never liberal. That’s just something you told yourself to make yourself feel better when criticized by liberal peers who love to hate on Catholics. Chances are you changed, not ND.

FTR, while I went to Catholic school K through 12, I proactively avoided Catholic college/law school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DH and I are both University of Notre Dame graduates as was my FIL. It’s in Indiana and very backward on women’s rights. Neither of our kids are allowed to even apply or accept recruitment.

Why?

Presumably you and your husband turned out fine? Presumably you received a good education, right?

But your kids aren’t allowed the option?

No, our kids are not allowed the option to go to Notre Dame. DH and I turned out fine because Notre Dame and Indiana were very different places in 1973 to 1977. Father Ted Hesburg was President, President Carter spoke at our graduation, the concept of “if you want peace - work for justice” was what the university was about. And if I was raped or got pregnant there was a Planned Parenthood within walking distance.

No, my kids cannot apply to this school even though we loved it in our day. The world has changed as has the school.

Eh, I don’t think it really has.

You’re Catholic, right?

So am I.

I’m also a lady lawyer whose FT day job for the last 25 years has been pursuing social justice.

ND and Georgetown and CUA and the rest have always been anti-abortion conservative bastions. While I’m a bleeding heart liberal who cheers for the Nuns on the Bus and priests who focus on social justice, I realize that Catholic academia is *very very conservative.* Always has been, always will be.

You are looking at your own education through rose colored, nostalgia infused glasses.

Honestly, I think you should let your kids go wherever they want. It’s their life. Plus, living in a liberal bubble isn’t good for liberals. It took me a decade in the social justice trenches before I realized our side wasn’t very effective at building consensus and advancing change. After mingling with the other side, I was much better equipped to change hearts and minds.

Meanwhile, Ireland, the most Catholic country on Earth has legalized Abortion- by public referendum no less

SCOTUS has lost its legitimacy with this " ruling" violating the civil rights of half of our population

So the solution is to bring the Red states to their knees by cripling them financially through Corp Divest- the South is deeply dependent on German, Dutch, Swedish and Japanese foreign investment

In fact, these states likely cannot make their police, fire, civil servant and teacher pay rolls without the corp taxes and investment from these very liberal European countries.

So, ignore SCOTUS and these Red State Senators/ Congressman. Its not them we need to litigate and lobby- its the foreign investors

And, the Universities in the south who's budgets depend on full pay tuition from the North

Bring them to their economic knees and show them that this isn't 1972 and women aren't " asking" for anything.

We are Telling, we are litigating and we are pulling our capital

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Thank you for the list. My daughter will be a senior in high school next year and she approached me about universities and wanting to avoid states for her rights would be limited. She made the blanket statement of just avoiding the south. But it’s nice to have a more specific list.

That’s great! She should go to school with a planned parenthood gift card.

I think it’s smart that she avoided this south. There’s a correlation with these backwards states and their abortion laws and more lax gun laws. Between the two, that girl is smart to avoid the south altogether.

new england winters look better and better

For those who don't like diversity, sure.

because the south is the utopia for diversity?

I actually AM looking for schools with decent diversity for my daughter. She has grown up in NoVA, and is actually a minority in her school as a caucasian child. Our girls have friends of many colors, religious backgrounds, etc. It is absolutely something we would seek in a college. At least 3 of the 4 in New England under serious consideration seem to have a reasonably diverse student body.

Fact: New England is not a diverse area.

Why does the surrounding area really matter so much? It's about the student population on campus. I spent very little time off my college campus while I was there.

If the surrounding area has laws that don't put our child's life in jeopardy, then that is what matters at this point. It's not like she doesn't know diversity and college would be her first taste of it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DH and I are both University of Notre Dame graduates as was my FIL. It’s in Indiana and very backward on women’s rights. Neither of our kids are allowed to even apply or accept recruitment.

Why?

Presumably you and your husband turned out fine? Presumably you received a good education, right?

But your kids aren’t allowed the option?

No, our kids are not allowed the option to go to Notre Dame. DH and I turned out fine because Notre Dame and Indiana were very different places in 1973 to 1977. Father Ted Hesburg was President, President Carter spoke at our graduation, the concept of “if you want peace - work for justice” was what the university was about. And if I was raped or got pregnant there was a Planned Parenthood within walking distance.

No, my kids cannot apply to this school even though we loved it in our day. The world has changed as has the school.

Eh, I don’t think it really has.

You’re Catholic, right?

So am I.

I’m also a lady lawyer whose FT day job for the last 25 years has been pursuing social justice.

ND and Georgetown and CUA and the rest have always been anti-abortion conservative bastions. While I’m a bleeding heart liberal who cheers for the Nuns on the Bus and priests who focus on social justice, I realize that Catholic academia is *very very conservative.* Always has been, always will be.

You are looking at your own education through rose colored, nostalgia infused glasses.

Honestly, I think you should let your kids go wherever they want. It’s their life. Plus, living in a liberal bubble isn’t good for liberals. It took me a decade in the social justice trenches before I realized our side wasn’t very effective at building consensus and advancing change. After mingling with the other side, I was much better equipped to change hearts and minds.

No. We have the power of veto and we’re vetoing our alma mater.

That’s fine. It won’t make a difference.

The real point of my comment is that ND hasn’t changed. It was never liberal. That’s just something you told yourself to make yourself feel better when criticized by liberal peers who love to hate on Catholics. Chances are you changed, not ND.

FTR, while I went to Catholic school K through 12, I proactively avoided Catholic college/law school.

What years were you a student at ND? ND has changed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Thank you for the list. My daughter will be a senior in high school next year and she approached me about universities and wanting to avoid states for her rights would be limited. She made the blanket statement of just avoiding the south. But it’s nice to have a more specific list.

That’s great! She should go to school with a planned parenthood gift card.

I think it’s smart that she avoided this south. There’s a correlation with these backwards states and their abortion laws and more lax gun laws. Between the two, that girl is smart to avoid the south altogether.

new england winters look better and better

For those who don't like diversity, sure.

because the south is the utopia for diversity?

I actually AM looking for schools with decent diversity for my daughter. She has grown up in NoVA, and is actually a minority in her school as a caucasian child. Our girls have friends of many colors, religious backgrounds, etc. It is absolutely something we would seek in a college. At least 3 of the 4 in New England under serious consideration seem to have a reasonably diverse student body.

Fact: New England is not a diverse area.

Why does the surrounding area really matter so much? It's about the student population on campus. I spent very little time off my college campus while I was there.

If the surrounding area has laws that don't put our child's life in jeopardy, then that is what matters at this point. It's not like she doesn't know diversity and college would be her first taste of it.

DP

Google tells me that Bama has 11% black students (which roughly tracks with the 12% of the national black demographics across America).

Boston College has 4%. Four.

Tell me northern schools you are looking at so we can compare.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DH and I are both University of Notre Dame graduates as was my FIL. It’s in Indiana and very backward on women’s rights. Neither of our kids are allowed to even apply or accept recruitment.

Why?

Presumably you and your husband turned out fine? Presumably you received a good education, right?

But your kids aren’t allowed the option?

No, our kids are not allowed the option to go to Notre Dame. DH and I turned out fine because Notre Dame and Indiana were very different places in 1973 to 1977. Father Ted Hesburg was President, President Carter spoke at our graduation, the concept of “if you want peace - work for justice” was what the university was about. And if I was raped or got pregnant there was a Planned Parenthood within walking distance.

No, my kids cannot apply to this school even though we loved it in our day. The world has changed as has the school.

Eh, I don’t think it really has.

You’re Catholic, right?

So am I.

I’m also a lady lawyer whose FT day job for the last 25 years has been pursuing social justice.

ND and Georgetown and CUA and the rest have always been anti-abortion conservative bastions. While I’m a bleeding heart liberal who cheers for the Nuns on the Bus and priests who focus on social justice, I realize that Catholic academia is *very very conservative.* Always has been, always will be.

You are looking at your own education through rose colored, nostalgia infused glasses.

Honestly, I think you should let your kids go wherever they want. It’s their life. Plus, living in a liberal bubble isn’t good for liberals. It took me a decade in the social justice trenches before I realized our side wasn’t very effective at building consensus and advancing change. After mingling with the other side, I was much better equipped to change hearts and minds.

No. We have the power of veto and we’re vetoing our alma mater.

That’s fine. It won’t make a difference.

The real point of my comment is that ND hasn’t changed. It was never liberal. That’s just something you told yourself to make yourself feel better when criticized by liberal peers who love to hate on Catholics. Chances are you changed, not ND.

FTR, while I went to Catholic school K through 12, I proactively avoided Catholic college/law school.

What years were you a student at ND? ND has changed.

I didn’t go to ND. 12 years of Catholic school was plenty for me.

But I know people who did. And I know law profs there and elsewhere.

ND has always been conservative. Just like Georgetown.

Despite a few “cool” priests or profs, these are conservative networks. ND was never pro choice or liberal. Never.

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not boston college

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Anonymous wrote:not boston college

Harvard is 6% black.

Bama is 11% black.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DH and I are both University of Notre Dame graduates as was my FIL. It’s in Indiana and very backward on women’s rights. Neither of our kids are allowed to even apply or accept recruitment.

Why?

Presumably you and your husband turned out fine? Presumably you received a good education, right?

But your kids aren’t allowed the option?

No, our kids are not allowed the option to go to Notre Dame. DH and I turned out fine because Notre Dame and Indiana were very different places in 1973 to 1977. Father Ted Hesburg was President, President Carter spoke at our graduation, the concept of “if you want peace - work for justice” was what the university was about. And if I was raped or got pregnant there was a Planned Parenthood within walking distance.

No, my kids cannot apply to this school even though we loved it in our day. The world has changed as has the school.

Eh, I don’t think it really has.

You’re Catholic, right?

So am I.

I’m also a lady lawyer whose FT day job for the last 25 years has been pursuing social justice.

ND and Georgetown and CUA and the rest have always been anti-abortion conservative bastions. While I’m a bleeding heart liberal who cheers for the Nuns on the Bus and priests who focus on social justice, I realize that Catholic academia is *very very conservative.* Always has been, always will be.

You are looking at your own education through rose colored, nostalgia infused glasses.

Honestly, I think you should let your kids go wherever they want. It’s their life. Plus, living in a liberal bubble isn’t good for liberals. It took me a decade in the social justice trenches before I realized our side wasn’t very effective at building consensus and advancing change. After mingling with the other side, I was much better equipped to change hearts and minds.

No. We have the power of veto and we’re vetoing our alma mater.

That’s fine. It won’t make a difference.

The real point of my comment is that ND hasn’t changed. It was never liberal. That’s just something you told yourself to make yourself feel better when criticized by liberal peers who love to hate on Catholics. Chances are you changed, not ND.

FTR, while I went to Catholic school K through 12, I proactively avoided Catholic college/law school.

What years were you a student at ND? ND has changed.

I didn’t go to ND. 12 years of Catholic school was plenty for me.

But I know people who did. And I know law profs there and elsewhere.

ND has always been conservative. Just like Georgetown.

Despite a few “cool” priests or profs, these are conservative networks. ND was never pro choice or liberal. Never.

You’re wrong. Catholic -yes. But not politically conservative in our years. Remember my female colleagues and I were the first women admitted.

Plus two of my friends were able to access safe abortions in South Bend at the time (one was an insulin dependent diabetic and pregnancy could have killed her). That won’t be the case soon.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:not boston college

Harvard is 6% black.

Bama is 11% black.

Harvard is not 6 % black.
That’s a lie.

[Anonymous]

DD has no interest in going to college in a red state but we would veto it if she did. It simply wouldn’t be safe in case of a rape or pregnancy.

[Anonymous]

The Universities in these States will not be able to meet payrol, pay their debt and the health insurance benefits of their employees if we pull our HS students college Apps in mass and Transfer out those already accepted:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/06/24/abortion-state-laws-criminalization-roe/

I can just see the college essays these young women have now been given the perfect writing prompt for....

[Anonymous]

Why are you throwing elite schools at me? My daughter isn’t applying to any of those.

And she sure as shit isn’t going to Ala-effing-bama

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The Universities in these States will not be able to meet payrol, pay their debt and the health insurance benefits of their employees if we pull our HS students college Apps in mass and Transfer out those already accepted:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/06/24/abortion-state-laws-criminalization-roe/

I can just see the college essays these young women have now been given the perfect writing prompt for....

Lmao- great use of your time. What a loser.

Just vote in your abortion on demand in your own state.

[Anonymous]

I don’t think some of you understand how dependent certain states are on money from outside that state