Should Northeastern be T20? Or even T10?

[Anonymous]

We were at both “campuses” this week. DS far preferred the cohesive look & feel of BU’s campus, setting (along the river) and housing (including 4 yr guarantee) to NEU which was disorganized, hodgepodge and couldn’t guarantee first semester housing.

[Anonymous]

I don't think legacies get any extra look. Despite being alumni, will look elsewhere. Maybe our investment in tuition at another private university, with our solidly MC salaries, will have additional value of legacy consideration for our grandchildren.

[Anonymous]

No. Probably T40.

35ish seems the right place.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP is a visionary and DCUM has a problem with it. NEU is a new kind of school that is taking the stodgy IVY-covered "prestige" schools by storm. The beauty is that the faculty teaching at NEU are mostly like the ones from the old days when it was commuter school. But, the university administration is just amazing and has built a great team out lower-division players. This is one place that is run truly like a business and it is going to eat other universities for lunch. Kudos to NEU (and OP for bringing all this to light).

Here are some amazingly innovative things NEU does that changes the higher education game.

1) Co-ops. What an idea. It redefines higher-ed and NEU did it first.

2) Application fee waivers given out liberally, so all can apply.

3) No essays. Holistic-Shmolistic. Admitting by the numbers is faster and easier. Who wants to read tons of garbage essays from high school kids on why NEU is great.

4) Merit aid that is just enough to compete for attracting the few top students who can bring in other average full-pay students.

5) Drive everything using data science. They hired a guy who does admissions by big data analysis to guess who will accept and who won't. Real high tech stuff.

6) Don't pay for high-flown faculty (Nobel laureates) when you can hire half-a-dozen teachers with the same money.

7) Open as many branches as you can to capture the market. Now NEU is everywhere.

So, it is really hard for others to compete as NEU thinks just like a company maximizing revenues. So, that is good thing for higher ed, since one needs to be customer focused in any business. And in higher-ed, the customers are the kids.

Yikes. That is just so unappealing. Cannot stand the marketing mentality. It's ruined so much of what is good in so many areas. Definitely do not want my kids to pick up such a mentality.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We were at both “campuses” this week. DS far preferred the cohesive look & feel of BU’s campus, setting (along the river) and housing (including 4 yr guarantee) to NEU which was disorganized, hodgepodge and couldn’t guarantee first semester housing.

We also visited both schools and felt exactly the opposite.  
BU has no campus at all, just streets and buildings.  I'm actually puzzled.

Northeastern has a nice cohesive actual campus for a college in a city.
Chose Northeastern. 

[Anonymous]

Weired my kids got application fee waiver offer from WashU, UChicago, etc., but never from Northeatern.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We were at both “campuses” this week. DS far preferred the cohesive look & feel of BU’s campus, setting (along the river) and housing (including 4 yr guarantee) to NEU which was disorganized, hodgepodge and couldn’t guarantee first semester housing.

We also visited both schools and felt exactly the opposite.  
BU has no campus at all, just streets and buildings.  I'm actually puzzled.

Northeastern has a nice cohesive actual campus for a college in a city.
Chose Northeastern. 

Northeastern has no housing.

[Anonymous]

From the Boston colleges tour: DS is all BC. He was ok with BU but really wants at least a little sports.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We were at both “campuses” this week. DS far preferred the cohesive look & feel of BU’s campus, setting (along the river) and housing (including 4 yr guarantee) to NEU which was disorganized, hodgepodge and couldn’t guarantee first semester housing.

We also visited both schools and felt exactly the opposite.  
BU has no campus at all, just streets and buildings.  I'm actually puzzled.

Northeastern has a nice cohesive actual campus for a college in a city.
Chose Northeastern. 

Northeastern has no housing.

Yes my kid is sleeping on the streets of Boston LOL

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We were at both “campuses” this week. DS far preferred the cohesive look & feel of BU’s campus, setting (along the river) and housing (including 4 yr guarantee) to NEU which was disorganized, hodgepodge and couldn’t guarantee first semester housing.

We also visited both schools and felt exactly the opposite.  
BU has no campus at all, just streets and buildings.  I'm actually puzzled.

Northeastern has a nice cohesive actual campus for a college in a city.
Chose Northeastern. 

Northeastern has no housing.

Yes my kid is sleeping on the streets of Boston LOL

*no housing guarantee*

Love the Westin.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So, if a school is attracting a lot of good students and has a lot of of good professors and places students in good jobs, how is it not a good school?
Yes, you can argue it's not the school for everyone but objectively speaking, how is it not a good school?

Don't play dumb. The OP is claiming not that it's merely a good school, but that it's an elite school that belongs in the T20 or T10, and dubiously (incorrectly) claims that it's somehow displaced Northwestern. Lmao. How pathetic. You NEU boosters need to learn that being obnoxious and repeatedly making outlandish claims only serve to undermine your position.

And you NEU sh!tters just sound unhinged. And what gives you the credentials to assess any college?

NEU is a great school, but realistically its not a T100, think about it there are over 10+ colleges in California alone that are "better" and certainly more prestigious

Its possible they could break into the T100 but the only reason they are ranked as high as they are at USNews is because they (fairly) gamed the system but not fooling anybody that can realistically get into a T50

The college has a really strong stereotype as an aspirational college for those that consider the back end of a T100 a reach and a safety for those that apply to the lower ranked T50 schools, its not on the list of anybody that gets into T25s, not even as a safety

That said, 90k applications is impressive, they made the application easy for anybody to apply and with the TO and the NUin and NUBound their financial position is likely to improve and should break into the top 100 endowment within a few decades

[Anonymous]

Another important number you would want to pay attention to is the yield rate as well as acceptance rate.
(also the applicant stats)

If a bunch of students apply, get accepted but choose not to enroll = low yield rate.

Northeastern's yield has been increasing and jumped to 33% last year.
(FYI Carnegie Mellon was around 38%)

So high stat kids apply and actually choose to enroll.
Combine this with the high retention rate ranked #7 with 95%
https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities/freshmen-least-most-likely-return

You get the idea. Northeastern is actually doing things right.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So, if a school is attracting a lot of good students and has a lot of of good professors and places students in good jobs, how is it not a good school?
Yes, you can argue it's not the school for everyone but objectively speaking, how is it not a good school?

Don't play dumb. The OP is claiming not that it's merely a good school, but that it's an elite school that belongs in the T20 or T10, and dubiously (incorrectly) claims that it's somehow displaced Northwestern. Lmao. How pathetic. You NEU boosters need to learn that being obnoxious and repeatedly making outlandish claims only serve to undermine your position.

And you NEU sh!tters just sound unhinged. And what gives you the credentials to assess any college?

NEU is a great school, but realistically its not a T100, think about it there are over 10+ colleges in California alone that are "better" and certainly more prestigious

Its possible they could break into the T100 but the only reason they are ranked as high as they are at USNews is because they (fairly) gamed the system but not fooling anybody that can realistically get into a T50

The college has a really strong stereotype as an aspirational college for those that consider the back end of a T100 a reach and a safety for those that apply to the lower ranked T50 schools, its not on the list of anybody that gets into T25s, not even as a safety

That said, 90k applications is impressive, they made the application easy for anybody to apply and with the TO and the NUin and NUBound their financial position is likely to improve and should break into the top 100 endowment within a few decades

You mean the California flagship school that not just gamed, but actually cheated and got caught
LMFAO

https://poetsandquantsforundergrads.com/news/uc-berkeley-booted-from-2019-us-news-ranking/

Again Northeatern's Endowment ranking is #58 among all the private schools including the top LACs.

[Anonymous]

My cousin went there in the late 1990s and he's half retarded. I'm pretty sure the essay question on the application back then was, "Can you fog a mirror?" I find it hard to believe that the academic quality has changed THAT much in a couple of decades.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My cousin went there in the late 1990s and he's half retarded. I'm pretty sure the essay question on the application back then was, "Can you fog a mirror?" I find it hard to believe that the academic quality has changed THAT much in a couple of decades.

People are saying there's no essay question for Northeastern, must be a different school.

By the way welcome to the 21st century.