NJ to teach gender lessons

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand why we emphasizing feeling like a boy or girl at age 6. I really thought as a society we were moving toward not emphasizing that there were “boy” or “girl” activities, feelings and toys for kids. These lessons seem like a step backwards into segregating into gender stereotypes.

This x1000. It’s absurd and disturbing. Wth does “feel like a girl or a boy” mean to 1st grader? But I also agree it can’t be discussed here. I think there will be a backlash.

+1 democrat
I swear to god I think it’s an effort to lose. Dems hate winning.

+100

I agree. While I think that it's important to teach students about tolerance for LGBT people, I'm not supportive of what Democrats are doing. Their intense focus on gender identity will only lead to backlash, which will ultimately harm the LGBT community.

Waitaminnit - WHOSE intense focus on gender identity? Are you joking? Because from where I stand the "intense focus" is coming from only one direction, and it ain't the Democrats.

DP. You must be joking. Talk about loon...

We're not the ones having panic attacks on TV and storming school board meetings and the like. Face it, this is just the latest grossly overblown Shiny Object for you people to freak out about now that CRT has faded from the headlines. Your Krazy Klown Kult leaders need a new bugaboo to distract you from the fact that they have Absolutely. No. Actual. Ideas. and this week it's schools acknowledging that LGBT+ kids are a thing that exists in the real world.

Next week: Who knows? Left handed people being Secret Communists? Sure, why not? It's as plausible as any of the other garbage you dolts happily slurp down at the feet of your masters.

You sound completely unhinged. You will see how wrong and in the minority you are and that is not some fringe RWNJs looking for a distraction in about 7 months. Most people want teachers to teach the basics, not waste valuable instruction time on left wing fringe SJW BS. Talk about Krazy Klown Kult - the left and their cause du Jour is it, and they must capture the 5 yo crowd to brainwash for the next 12+ years because any reasonable thinking person above the age of 12 will reject all this nonsense.

+100
Most Americans don't want their children exposed to this crap at age 6.

“Most Americans” don’t live in NJ. Besides, nobody’s getting hurt by this. They might even turn out a few more female STEM professionals by tackling insidious gender discrimination early on. Some people can walk and chew gum at the same time. Their heads don’t explode when you suggest that white, Christian, Herero, natural born men supremacy isn’t the natural order of the world.

How would promoting the concept that gender is a social construct make women inclined to work in STEM? I'm a woman in STEM and don't see the connection you're making. I don't think there's anything about femininity that is at odds with working in science.

I guess what I worry is that, because of the historical association with men and physical sciences, that women who find themselves drawn to the physical sciences may worry they "feel" like a man, if this is not taught carefully and at an age where they can understand this subtlety.

You really think someone is going to feel like their gender identity doesn’t match their sex assigned at birth solely because of their interests/strengths? That seems highly unrealistic. However, there is some research linking androgens to better performance on spatial and mathematics tasks. So it is possible that someone with a more “male” brain is good at certain STEM things AND also has a deeply held sense of self that matches up more with being male than female. That sense of self part is really hard to explain well to little kids IMO and makes more sense to introduce a little later. Most adults probably don’t even have a good understanding of the idea that “maleness” and “femaleness” in terms of identity can exist on a spectrum. At least we’re not used to thinking or talking about it on that way. But it’s been there all along — all of us knew girls who were “tomboys” and boys who were “girly”. It doesn’t mean those kids go on the be transgender or gay. Some may but most will not. There has always been a spectrum just like there’s a spectrum for introversion and extraversion for example. That’s not the same thing as saying gender doesn’t exist or that people flip back and forth as they so choose. But that spectrum has been there all along and all of us fall somewhere along it. Social influences may play a role but we can’t discount the role of exposure to hormones before we were even born and how those influence brain development — something scientists are very much still trying to understand

People who feel like their sex assigned at birth doesn’t match their gender identity usually “know” from a young age but probably can’t articulate it. Maybe telling kids this stuff earlier will help those kids? I don’t know. It aea just as likely to confuse kids who haven’t spent much time thinking about gender identity.

kids are very imaginative and playful. so yes, I can easily imagine them wondering if the fact that they like boy things means they are transgender. If you put the idea of God in their heads, they can be fiercely religiously. Kids are very suggestive. I would let them play, and wouldn't discourage them if they came up with this idea on their own, but purposefully putting it in their heads is indeed grooming.

I don't totally disagree with "grooming" but I think what schools are doing is less like what a pedophile does and more like what the US government schools did to Native American families in the 19th century. The goal is to take the children out of their families' cultures and raise them in a way that celebrates "progress" and the currently fashionable values of the dominant group in society. Still wrong.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand why we emphasizing feeling like a boy or girl at age 6. I really thought as a society we were moving toward not emphasizing that there were “boy” or “girl” activities, feelings and toys for kids. These lessons seem like a step backwards into segregating into gender stereotypes.

This x1000. It’s absurd and disturbing. Wth does “feel like a girl or a boy” mean to 1st grader? But I also agree it can’t be discussed here. I think there will be a backlash.

+1 democrat
I swear to god I think it’s an effort to lose. Dems hate winning.

+100

I agree. While I think that it's important to teach students about tolerance for LGBT people, I'm not supportive of what Democrats are doing. Their intense focus on gender identity will only lead to backlash, which will ultimately harm the LGBT community.

Waitaminnit - WHOSE intense focus on gender identity? Are you joking? Because from where I stand the "intense focus" is coming from only one direction, and it ain't the Democrats.

DP. You must be joking. Talk about loon...

We're not the ones having panic attacks on TV and storming school board meetings and the like. Face it, this is just the latest grossly overblown Shiny Object for you people to freak out about now that CRT has faded from the headlines. Your Krazy Klown Kult leaders need a new bugaboo to distract you from the fact that they have Absolutely. No. Actual. Ideas. and this week it's schools acknowledging that LGBT+ kids are a thing that exists in the real world.

Next week: Who knows? Left handed people being Secret Communists? Sure, why not? It's as plausible as any of the other garbage you dolts happily slurp down at the feet of your masters.

You sound completely unhinged. You will see how wrong and in the minority you are and that is not some fringe RWNJs looking for a distraction in about 7 months. Most people want teachers to teach the basics, not waste valuable instruction time on left wing fringe SJW BS. Talk about Krazy Klown Kult - the left and their cause du Jour is it, and they must capture the 5 yo crowd to brainwash for the next 12+ years because any reasonable thinking person above the age of 12 will reject all this nonsense.

+100
Most Americans don't want their children exposed to this crap at age 6.

“Most Americans” don’t live in NJ. Besides, nobody’s getting hurt by this. They might even turn out a few more female STEM professionals by tackling insidious gender discrimination early on. Some people can walk and chew gum at the same time. Their heads don’t explode when you suggest that white, Christian, Herero, natural born men supremacy isn’t the natural order of the world.

How would promoting the concept that gender is a social construct make women inclined to work in STEM? I'm a woman in STEM and don't see the connection you're making. I don't think there's anything about femininity that is at odds with working in science.

I guess what I worry is that, because of the historical association with men and physical sciences, that women who find themselves drawn to the physical sciences may worry they "feel" like a man, if this is not taught carefully and at an age where they can understand this subtlety.

This is what your brain on gender/women's studies looks like kids. Because I studied the hard sciences, I clearly must be confused about my gender.
FFS, this is why progressives should not involved in any type of education.

Now THAT'S twisting another's words to whole new heights! Impressive!

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand why we emphasizing feeling like a boy or girl at age 6. I really thought as a society we were moving toward not emphasizing that there were “boy” or “girl” activities, feelings and toys for kids. These lessons seem like a step backwards into segregating into gender stereotypes.

This x1000. It’s absurd and disturbing. Wth does “feel like a girl or a boy” mean to 1st grader? But I also agree it can’t be discussed here. I think there will be a backlash.

+1 democrat
I swear to god I think it’s an effort to lose. Dems hate winning.

+100

I agree. While I think that it's important to teach students about tolerance for LGBT people, I'm not supportive of what Democrats are doing. Their intense focus on gender identity will only lead to backlash, which will ultimately harm the LGBT community.

Waitaminnit - WHOSE intense focus on gender identity? Are you joking? Because from where I stand the "intense focus" is coming from only one direction, and it ain't the Democrats.

DP. You must be joking. Talk about loon...

We're not the ones having panic attacks on TV and storming school board meetings and the like. Face it, this is just the latest grossly overblown Shiny Object for you people to freak out about now that CRT has faded from the headlines. Your Krazy Klown Kult leaders need a new bugaboo to distract you from the fact that they have Absolutely. No. Actual. Ideas. and this week it's schools acknowledging that LGBT+ kids are a thing that exists in the real world.

Next week: Who knows? Left handed people being Secret Communists? Sure, why not? It's as plausible as any of the other garbage you dolts happily slurp down at the feet of your masters.

You sound completely unhinged. You will see how wrong and in the minority you are and that is not some fringe RWNJs looking for a distraction in about 7 months. Most people want teachers to teach the basics, not waste valuable instruction time on left wing fringe SJW BS. Talk about Krazy Klown Kult - the left and their cause du Jour is it, and they must capture the 5 yo crowd to brainwash for the next 12+ years because any reasonable thinking person above the age of 12 will reject all this nonsense.

+100
Most Americans don't want their children exposed to this crap at age 6.

“Most Americans” don’t live in NJ. Besides, nobody’s getting hurt by this. They might even turn out a few more female STEM professionals by tackling insidious gender discrimination early on. Some people can walk and chew gum at the same time. Their heads don’t explode when you suggest that white, Christian, Herero, natural born men supremacy isn’t the natural order of the world.

How would promoting the concept that gender is a social construct make women inclined to work in STEM? I'm a woman in STEM and don't see the connection you're making. I don't think there's anything about femininity that is at odds with working in science.

I guess what I worry is that, because of the historical association with men and physical sciences, that women who find themselves drawn to the physical sciences may worry they "feel" like a man, if this is not taught carefully and at an age where they can understand this subtlety.

This is what your brain on gender/women's studies looks like kids. Because I studied the hard sciences, I clearly must be confused about my gender.
FFS, this is why progressives should not involved in any type of education.

I know plenty of women professional engineers. Most of the women engineers I know work in Civil Engineering or Structural Engineering. All of them know they are women. None of them "feel" like a man when they run wind load calculations or do structural inspection reports. They also wear lipstick, suits, dresses and heels but they wear safety boots and hardhats on the jobsite. None of them have ever been confused about their gender. They were born female and know they are women. They are proud Moms all with several children.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand why we emphasizing feeling like a boy or girl at age 6. I really thought as a society we were moving toward not emphasizing that there were “boy” or “girl” activities, feelings and toys for kids. These lessons seem like a step backwards into segregating into gender stereotypes.

This x1000. It’s absurd and disturbing. Wth does “feel like a girl or a boy” mean to 1st grader? But I also agree it can’t be discussed here. I think there will be a backlash.

+1 democrat
I swear to god I think it’s an effort to lose. Dems hate winning.

+100

I agree. While I think that it's important to teach students about tolerance for LGBT people, I'm not supportive of what Democrats are doing. Their intense focus on gender identity will only lead to backlash, which will ultimately harm the LGBT community.

Waitaminnit - WHOSE intense focus on gender identity? Are you joking? Because from where I stand the "intense focus" is coming from only one direction, and it ain't the Democrats.

DP. You must be joking. Talk about loon...

We're not the ones having panic attacks on TV and storming school board meetings and the like. Face it, this is just the latest grossly overblown Shiny Object for you people to freak out about now that CRT has faded from the headlines. Your Krazy Klown Kult leaders need a new bugaboo to distract you from the fact that they have Absolutely. No. Actual. Ideas. and this week it's schools acknowledging that LGBT+ kids are a thing that exists in the real world.

Next week: Who knows? Left handed people being Secret Communists? Sure, why not? It's as plausible as any of the other garbage you dolts happily slurp down at the feet of your masters.

You sound completely unhinged. You will see how wrong and in the minority you are and that is not some fringe RWNJs looking for a distraction in about 7 months. Most people want teachers to teach the basics, not waste valuable instruction time on left wing fringe SJW BS. Talk about Krazy Klown Kult - the left and their cause du Jour is it, and they must capture the 5 yo crowd to brainwash for the next 12+ years because any reasonable thinking person above the age of 12 will reject all this nonsense.

+100
Most Americans don't want their children exposed to this crap at age 6.

“Most Americans” don’t live in NJ. Besides, nobody’s getting hurt by this. They might even turn out a few more female STEM professionals by tackling insidious gender discrimination early on. Some people can walk and chew gum at the same time. Their heads don’t explode when you suggest that white, Christian, Herero, natural born men supremacy isn’t the natural order of the world.

How would promoting the concept that gender is a social construct make women inclined to work in STEM? I'm a woman in STEM and don't see the connection you're making. I don't think there's anything about femininity that is at odds with working in science.

I guess what I worry is that, because of the historical association with men and physical sciences, that women who find themselves drawn to the physical sciences may worry they "feel" like a man, if this is not taught carefully and at an age where they can understand this subtlety.

You really think someone is going to feel like their gender identity doesn’t match their sex assigned at birth solely because of their interests/strengths? That seems highly unrealistic. However, there is some research linking androgens to better performance on spatial and mathematics tasks. So it is possible that someone with a more “male” brain is good at certain STEM things AND also has a deeply held sense of self that matches up more with being male than female. That sense of self part is really hard to explain well to little kids IMO and makes more sense to introduce a little later. Most adults probably don’t even have a good understanding of the idea that “maleness” and “femaleness” in terms of identity can exist on a spectrum. At least we’re not used to thinking or talking about it on that way. But it’s been there all along — all of us knew girls who were “tomboys” and boys who were “girly”. It doesn’t mean those kids go on the be transgender or gay. Some may but most will not. There has always been a spectrum just like there’s a spectrum for introversion and extraversion for example. That’s not the same thing as saying gender doesn’t exist or that people flip back and forth as they so choose. But that spectrum has been there all along and all of us fall somewhere along it. Social influences may play a role but we can’t discount the role of exposure to hormones before we were even born and how those influence brain development — something scientists are very much still trying to understand

People who feel like their sex assigned at birth doesn’t match their gender identity usually “know” from a young age but probably can’t articulate it. Maybe telling kids this stuff earlier will help those kids? I don’t know. It aea just as likely to confuse kids who haven’t spent much time thinking about gender identity.

kids are very imaginative and playful. so yes, I can easily imagine them wondering if the fact that they like boy things means they are transgender. If you put the idea of God in their heads, they can be fiercely religiously. Kids are very suggestive. I would let them play, and wouldn't discourage them if they came up with this idea on their own, but purposefully putting it in their heads is indeed grooming.

I don't totally disagree with "grooming" but I think what schools are doing is less like what a pedophile does and more like what the US government schools did to Native American families in the 19th century. The goal is to take the children out of their families' cultures and raise them in a way that celebrates "progress" and the currently fashionable values of the dominant group in society. Still wrong.

This is a really good analogy. What they are proposing goes way beyond education. It is teaching a belief system and that is not their role.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand why we emphasizing feeling like a boy or girl at age 6. I really thought as a society we were moving toward not emphasizing that there were “boy” or “girl” activities, feelings and toys for kids. These lessons seem like a step backwards into segregating into gender stereotypes.

This x1000. It’s absurd and disturbing. Wth does “feel like a girl or a boy” mean to 1st grader? But I also agree it can’t be discussed here. I think there will be a backlash.

+1 democrat
I swear to god I think it’s an effort to lose. Dems hate winning.

+100

I agree. While I think that it's important to teach students about tolerance for LGBT people, I'm not supportive of what Democrats are doing. Their intense focus on gender identity will only lead to backlash, which will ultimately harm the LGBT community.

Waitaminnit - WHOSE intense focus on gender identity? Are you joking? Because from where I stand the "intense focus" is coming from only one direction, and it ain't the Democrats.

DP. You must be joking. Talk about loon...

We're not the ones having panic attacks on TV and storming school board meetings and the like. Face it, this is just the latest grossly overblown Shiny Object for you people to freak out about now that CRT has faded from the headlines. Your Krazy Klown Kult leaders need a new bugaboo to distract you from the fact that they have Absolutely. No. Actual. Ideas. and this week it's schools acknowledging that LGBT+ kids are a thing that exists in the real world.

Next week: Who knows? Left handed people being Secret Communists? Sure, why not? It's as plausible as any of the other garbage you dolts happily slurp down at the feet of your masters.

You sound completely unhinged. You will see how wrong and in the minority you are and that is not some fringe RWNJs looking for a distraction in about 7 months. Most people want teachers to teach the basics, not waste valuable instruction time on left wing fringe SJW BS. Talk about Krazy Klown Kult - the left and their cause du Jour is it, and they must capture the 5 yo crowd to brainwash for the next 12+ years because any reasonable thinking person above the age of 12 will reject all this nonsense.

+100
Most Americans don't want their children exposed to this crap at age 6.

“Most Americans” don’t live in NJ. Besides, nobody’s getting hurt by this. They might even turn out a few more female STEM professionals by tackling insidious gender discrimination early on. Some people can walk and chew gum at the same time. Their heads don’t explode when you suggest that white, Christian, Herero, natural born men supremacy isn’t the natural order of the world.

How would promoting the concept that gender is a social construct make women inclined to work in STEM? I'm a woman in STEM and don't see the connection you're making. I don't think there's anything about femininity that is at odds with working in science.

I guess what I worry is that, because of the historical association with men and physical sciences, that women who find themselves drawn to the physical sciences may worry they "feel" like a man, if this is not taught carefully and at an age where they can understand this subtlety.

You really think someone is going to feel like their gender identity doesn’t match their sex assigned at birth solely because of their interests/strengths? That seems highly unrealistic. However, there is some research linking androgens to better performance on spatial and mathematics tasks. So it is possible that someone with a more “male” brain is good at certain STEM things AND also has a deeply held sense of self that matches up more with being male than female. That sense of self part is really hard to explain well to little kids IMO and makes more sense to introduce a little later. Most adults probably don’t even have a good understanding of the idea that “maleness” and “femaleness” in terms of identity can exist on a spectrum. At least we’re not used to thinking or talking about it on that way. But it’s been there all along — all of us knew girls who were “tomboys” and boys who were “girly”. It doesn’t mean those kids go on the be transgender or gay. Some may but most will not. There has always been a spectrum just like there’s a spectrum for introversion and extraversion for example. That’s not the same thing as saying gender doesn’t exist or that people flip back and forth as they so choose. But that spectrum has been there all along and all of us fall somewhere along it. Social influences may play a role but we can’t discount the role of exposure to hormones before we were even born and how those influence brain development — something scientists are very much still trying to understand

People who feel like their sex assigned at birth doesn’t match their gender identity usually “know” from a young age but probably can’t articulate it. Maybe telling kids this stuff earlier will help those kids? I don’t know. It aea just as likely to confuse kids who haven’t spent much time thinking about gender identity.

kids are very imaginative and playful. so yes, I can easily imagine them wondering if the fact that they like boy things means they are transgender. If you put the idea of God in their heads, they can be fiercely religiously. Kids are very suggestive. I would let them play, and wouldn't discourage them if they came up with this idea on their own, but purposefully putting it in their heads is indeed grooming.

I don't totally disagree with "grooming" but I think what schools are doing is less like what a pedophile does and more like what the US government schools did to Native American families in the 19th century. The goal is to take the children out of their families' cultures and raise them in a way that celebrates "progress" and the currently fashionable values of the dominant group in society. Still wrong.

This is a really good analogy. What they are proposing goes way beyond education. It is teaching a belief system and that is not their role.

+100 It is the equivalent of teaching religion in school.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand why we emphasizing feeling like a boy or girl at age 6. I really thought as a society we were moving toward not emphasizing that there were “boy” or “girl” activities, feelings and toys for kids. These lessons seem like a step backwards into segregating into gender stereotypes.

This x1000. It’s absurd and disturbing. Wth does “feel like a girl or a boy” mean to 1st grader? But I also agree it can’t be discussed here. I think there will be a backlash.

+1 democrat
I swear to god I think it’s an effort to lose. Dems hate winning.

+100

I agree. While I think that it's important to teach students about tolerance for LGBT people, I'm not supportive of what Democrats are doing. Their intense focus on gender identity will only lead to backlash, which will ultimately harm the LGBT community.

Waitaminnit - WHOSE intense focus on gender identity? Are you joking? Because from where I stand the "intense focus" is coming from only one direction, and it ain't the Democrats.

DP. You must be joking. Talk about loon...

We're not the ones having panic attacks on TV and storming school board meetings and the like. Face it, this is just the latest grossly overblown Shiny Object for you people to freak out about now that CRT has faded from the headlines. Your Krazy Klown Kult leaders need a new bugaboo to distract you from the fact that they have Absolutely. No. Actual. Ideas. and this week it's schools acknowledging that LGBT+ kids are a thing that exists in the real world.

Next week: Who knows? Left handed people being Secret Communists? Sure, why not? It's as plausible as any of the other garbage you dolts happily slurp down at the feet of your masters.

You sound completely unhinged. You will see how wrong and in the minority you are and that is not some fringe RWNJs looking for a distraction in about 7 months. Most people want teachers to teach the basics, not waste valuable instruction time on left wing fringe SJW BS. Talk about Krazy Klown Kult - the left and their cause du Jour is it, and they must capture the 5 yo crowd to brainwash for the next 12+ years because any reasonable thinking person above the age of 12 will reject all this nonsense.

+100
Most Americans don't want their children exposed to this crap at age 6.

“Most Americans” don’t live in NJ. Besides, nobody’s getting hurt by this. They might even turn out a few more female STEM professionals by tackling insidious gender discrimination early on. Some people can walk and chew gum at the same time. Their heads don’t explode when you suggest that white, Christian, Herero, natural born men supremacy isn’t the natural order of the world.

How would promoting the concept that gender is a social construct make women inclined to work in STEM? I'm a woman in STEM and don't see the connection you're making. I don't think there's anything about femininity that is at odds with working in science.

I guess what I worry is that, because of the historical association with men and physical sciences, that women who find themselves drawn to the physical sciences may worry they "feel" like a man, if this is not taught carefully and at an age where they can understand this subtlety.

This is what your brain on gender/women's studies looks like kids. Because I studied the hard sciences, I clearly must be confused about my gender.
FFS, this is why progressives should not involved in any type of education.

I know plenty of women professional engineers. Most of the women engineers I know work in Civil Engineering or Structural Engineering. All of them know they are women. None of them "feel" like a man when they run wind load calculations or do structural inspection reports. They also wear lipstick, suits, dresses and heels but they wear safety boots and hardhats on the jobsite. None of them have ever been confused about their gender. They were born female and know they are women. They are proud Moms all with several children.

You need to talk to the women who didn't become engineers, not the ones that did.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand why we emphasizing feeling like a boy or girl at age 6. I really thought as a society we were moving toward not emphasizing that there were “boy” or “girl” activities, feelings and toys for kids. These lessons seem like a step backwards into segregating into gender stereotypes.

This x1000. It’s absurd and disturbing. Wth does “feel like a girl or a boy” mean to 1st grader? But I also agree it can’t be discussed here. I think there will be a backlash.

+1 democrat
I swear to god I think it’s an effort to lose. Dems hate winning.

+100

I agree. While I think that it's important to teach students about tolerance for LGBT people, I'm not supportive of what Democrats are doing. Their intense focus on gender identity will only lead to backlash, which will ultimately harm the LGBT community.

Waitaminnit - WHOSE intense focus on gender identity? Are you joking? Because from where I stand the "intense focus" is coming from only one direction, and it ain't the Democrats.

DP. You must be joking. Talk about loon...

We're not the ones having panic attacks on TV and storming school board meetings and the like. Face it, this is just the latest grossly overblown Shiny Object for you people to freak out about now that CRT has faded from the headlines. Your Krazy Klown Kult leaders need a new bugaboo to distract you from the fact that they have Absolutely. No. Actual. Ideas. and this week it's schools acknowledging that LGBT+ kids are a thing that exists in the real world.

Next week: Who knows? Left handed people being Secret Communists? Sure, why not? It's as plausible as any of the other garbage you dolts happily slurp down at the feet of your masters.

You sound completely unhinged. You will see how wrong and in the minority you are and that is not some fringe RWNJs looking for a distraction in about 7 months. Most people want teachers to teach the basics, not waste valuable instruction time on left wing fringe SJW BS. Talk about Krazy Klown Kult - the left and their cause du Jour is it, and they must capture the 5 yo crowd to brainwash for the next 12+ years because any reasonable thinking person above the age of 12 will reject all this nonsense.

Well said. Thank you.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand why we emphasizing feeling like a boy or girl at age 6. I really thought as a society we were moving toward not emphasizing that there were “boy” or “girl” activities, feelings and toys for kids. These lessons seem like a step backwards into segregating into gender stereotypes.

This x1000. It’s absurd and disturbing. Wth does “feel like a girl or a boy” mean to 1st grader? But I also agree it can’t be discussed here. I think there will be a backlash.

+1 democrat
I swear to god I think it’s an effort to lose. Dems hate winning.

+100

I agree. While I think that it's important to teach students about tolerance for LGBT people, I'm not supportive of what Democrats are doing. Their intense focus on gender identity will only lead to backlash, which will ultimately harm the LGBT community.

Waitaminnit - WHOSE intense focus on gender identity? Are you joking? Because from where I stand the "intense focus" is coming from only one direction, and it ain't the Democrats.

DP. You must be joking. Talk about loon...

We're not the ones having panic attacks on TV and storming school board meetings and the like. Face it, this is just the latest grossly overblown Shiny Object for you people to freak out about now that CRT has faded from the headlines. Your Krazy Klown Kult leaders need a new bugaboo to distract you from the fact that they have Absolutely. No. Actual. Ideas. and this week it's schools acknowledging that LGBT+ kids are a thing that exists in the real world.

Next week: Who knows? Left handed people being Secret Communists? Sure, why not? It's as plausible as any of the other garbage you dolts happily slurp down at the feet of your masters.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, don't waste your energy. DCUM's finest think this is a fabulous thing to be teaching young children. It's baffling, to say the least, that anyone would want to sexualize children, especially second graders. I imagine these LWNJs will find out just how unpopular their wacko agenda is come election time this fall. Sure would be nice if they'd simply focus on academics for once, rather than sexual issues.

No one is sexualizing second graders. Not sure how you interpret it that way. There’s no mention of sex at all.

You don’t have little kids. This topic is not something 6 year olds are ready for FULL STOP. Even old fashioned basic sex Ed without any kid of gender discussion is not age appropriate. They are too young to understand any of it. If you said 6th GRADE you would get an entirely different response from me but 6 YEARS old is just too young.

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I have to wonder what kind of parent *wants* their young child to learn about sexual topics. Some pretty deranged minds out there.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand why we emphasizing feeling like a boy or girl at age 6. I really thought as a society we were moving toward not emphasizing that there were “boy” or “girl” activities, feelings and toys for kids. These lessons seem like a step backwards into segregating into gender stereotypes.

This x1000. It’s absurd and disturbing. Wth does “feel like a girl or a boy” mean to 1st grader? But I also agree it can’t be discussed here. I think there will be a backlash.

+1 democrat
I swear to god I think it’s an effort to lose. Dems hate winning.

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I agree. While I think that it's important to teach students about tolerance for LGBT people, I'm not supportive of what Democrats are doing. Their intense focus on gender identity will only lead to backlash, which will ultimately harm the LGBT community.

Waitaminnit - WHOSE intense focus on gender identity? Are you joking? Because from where I stand the "intense focus" is coming from only one direction, and it ain't the Democrats.

DP. You must be joking. Talk about loon...

We're not the ones having panic attacks on TV and storming school board meetings and the like. Face it, this is just the latest grossly overblown Shiny Object for you people to freak out about now that CRT has faded from the headlines. Your Krazy Klown Kult leaders need a new bugaboo to distract you from the fact that they have Absolutely. No. Actual. Ideas. and this week it's schools acknowledging that LGBT+ kids are a thing that exists in the real world.

Next week: Who knows? Left handed people being Secret Communists? Sure, why not? It's as plausible as any of the other garbage you dolts happily slurp down at the feet of your masters.

You sound completely unhinged. You will see how wrong and in the minority you are and that is not some fringe RWNJs looking for a distraction in about 7 months. Most people want teachers to teach the basics, not waste valuable instruction time on left wing fringe SJW BS. Talk about Krazy Klown Kult - the left and their cause du Jour is it, and they must capture the 5 yo crowd to brainwash for the next 12+ years because any reasonable thinking person above the age of 12 will reject all this nonsense.

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Most Americans don't want their children exposed to this crap at age 6.

“Most Americans” don’t live in NJ. Besides, nobody’s getting hurt by this. They might even turn out a few more female STEM professionals by tackling insidious gender discrimination early on. Some people can walk and chew gum at the same time. Their heads don’t explode when you suggest that white, Christian, Herero, natural born men supremacy isn’t the natural order of the world.

How would promoting the concept that gender is a social construct make women inclined to work in STEM? I'm a woman in STEM and don't see the connection you're making. I don't think there's anything about femininity that is at odds with working in science.

NP. The standards include teaching about the ways that gender stereotypes can be limiting (it's directly in the standards) and the particular lesson that Fox News is freaked out about (Pink Purple and Blue) is essentially a lesson about how both boys and girls can do most things, it expressly has the teacher teaching that girls be doctors and work with rockets. None of this is groundbreaking obviously, but it's definitely geared toward making sure girls know that they can do STEM stuff.

I don't think people are freaking out about the part you mention here. I think, from the OPs post, they are freakng out over the part that says ""Gender identity is that feeling of knowing your gender. You might feel like you are a boy, you might feel like you are a girl," the lesson plan states. "You might feel like you’re a boy even if you have body parts that some people might tell you are ‘girl’ parts. You might feel like you’re a girl even if you have body parts that some people might tell you are ‘boy’ parts."

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In no way does a K-3 child need to be given this extremely confusing message. Why can't they just BE?? Plenty of time to discuss gender/sexuality with older kids who can actually understand it.

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Anonymous wrote:I've been seeing this all over conservative social media today. The claim being that 2nd graders are supposed to be able to describe sex acts including oral sex. They are losing their minds, and suffice to say, not providing proven links.

https://www.facebook.com/DareToShareOBXNC

Yeah, I'm going to have to see a more authoritative source than Fox News. I still have facebook friends from my hometown that post about the FCPS family life curriculum that was never adopted as if it's gospel truth.

This reporting is designed to make people scared and angry, and it works. Luckily, the percentage of the population in the US that identifies as religious is in a continual decline.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand why we emphasizing feeling like a boy or girl at age 6. I really thought as a society we were moving toward not emphasizing that there were “boy” or “girl” activities, feelings and toys for kids. These lessons seem like a step backwards into segregating into gender stereotypes.

This x1000. It’s absurd and disturbing. Wth does “feel like a girl or a boy” mean to 1st grader? But I also agree it can’t be discussed here. I think there will be a backlash.

+1 democrat
I swear to god I think it’s an effort to lose. Dems hate winning.

+100

I agree. While I think that it's important to teach students about tolerance for LGBT people, I'm not supportive of what Democrats are doing. Their intense focus on gender identity will only lead to backlash, which will ultimately harm the LGBT community.

Waitaminnit - WHOSE intense focus on gender identity? Are you joking? Because from where I stand the "intense focus" is coming from only one direction, and it ain't the Democrats.

DP. You must be joking. Talk about loon...

We're not the ones having panic attacks on TV and storming school board meetings and the like. Face it, this is just the latest grossly overblown Shiny Object for you people to freak out about now that CRT has faded from the headlines. Your Krazy Klown Kult leaders need a new bugaboo to distract you from the fact that they have Absolutely. No. Actual. Ideas. and this week it's schools acknowledging that LGBT+ kids are a thing that exists in the real world.

Next week: Who knows? Left handed people being Secret Communists? Sure, why not? It's as plausible as any of the other garbage you dolts happily slurp down at the feet of your masters.

You sound completely unhinged. You will see how wrong and in the minority you are and that is not some fringe RWNJs looking for a distraction in about 7 months. Most people want teachers to teach the basics, not waste valuable instruction time on left wing fringe SJW BS. Talk about Krazy Klown Kult - the left and their cause du Jour is it, and they must capture the 5 yo crowd to brainwash for the next 12+ years because any reasonable thinking person above the age of 12 will reject all this nonsense.

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Most Americans don't want their children exposed to this crap at age 6.

“Most Americans” don’t live in NJ. Besides, nobody’s getting hurt by this. They might even turn out a few more female STEM professionals by tackling insidious gender discrimination early on. Some people can walk and chew gum at the same time. Their heads don’t explode when you suggest that white, Christian, Herero, natural born men supremacy isn’t the natural order of the world.

How would promoting the concept that gender is a social construct make women inclined to work in STEM? I'm a woman in STEM and don't see the connection you're making. I don't think there's anything about femininity that is at odds with working in science.

I guess what I worry is that, because of the historical association with men and physical sciences, that women who find themselves drawn to the physical sciences may worry they "feel" like a man, if this is not taught carefully and at an age where they can understand this subtlety.

You really think someone is going to feel like their gender identity doesn’t match their sex assigned at birth solely because of their interests/strengths? That seems highly unrealistic. However, there is some research linking androgens to better performance on spatial and mathematics tasks. So it is possible that someone with a more “male” brain is good at certain STEM things AND also has a deeply held sense of self that matches up more with being male than female. That sense of self part is really hard to explain well to little kids IMO and makes more sense to introduce a little later. Most adults probably don’t even have a good understanding of the idea that “maleness” and “femaleness” in terms of identity can exist on a spectrum. At least we’re not used to thinking or talking about it on that way. But it’s been there all along — all of us knew girls who were “tomboys” and boys who were “girly”. It doesn’t mean those kids go on the be transgender or gay. Some may but most will not. There has always been a spectrum just like there’s a spectrum for introversion and extraversion for example. That’s not the same thing as saying gender doesn’t exist or that people flip back and forth as they so choose. But that spectrum has been there all along and all of us fall somewhere along it. Social influences may play a role but we can’t discount the role of exposure to hormones before we were even born and how those influence brain development — something scientists are very much still trying to understand

People who feel like their sex assigned at birth doesn’t match their gender identity usually “know” from a young age but probably can’t articulate it. Maybe telling kids this stuff earlier will help those kids? I don’t know. It aea just as likely to confuse kids who haven’t spent much time thinking about gender identity.

kids are very imaginative and playful. so yes, I can easily imagine them wondering if the fact that they like boy things means they are transgender. If you put the idea of God in their heads, they can be fiercely religiously. Kids are very suggestive. I would let them play, and wouldn't discourage them if they came up with this idea on their own, but purposefully putting it in their heads is indeed grooming.

I don't totally disagree with "grooming" but I think what schools are doing is less like what a pedophile does and more like what the US government schools did to Native American families in the 19th century. The goal is to take the children out of their families' cultures and raise them in a way that celebrates "progress" and the currently fashionable values of the dominant group in society. Still wrong.

This is a really good analogy. What they are proposing goes way beyond education. It is teaching a belief system and that is not their role.

DP. Completely agree with both of you.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand why we emphasizing feeling like a boy or girl at age 6. I really thought as a society we were moving toward not emphasizing that there were “boy” or “girl” activities, feelings and toys for kids. These lessons seem like a step backwards into segregating into gender stereotypes.

This x1000. It’s absurd and disturbing. Wth does “feel like a girl or a boy” mean to 1st grader? But I also agree it can’t be discussed here. I think there will be a backlash.

+1 democrat
I swear to god I think it’s an effort to lose. Dems hate winning.

+100

I agree. While I think that it's important to teach students about tolerance for LGBT people, I'm not supportive of what Democrats are doing. Their intense focus on gender identity will only lead to backlash, which will ultimately harm the LGBT community.

Waitaminnit - WHOSE intense focus on gender identity? Are you joking? Because from where I stand the "intense focus" is coming from only one direction, and it ain't the Democrats.

DP. You must be joking. Talk about loon...

We're not the ones having panic attacks on TV and storming school board meetings and the like. Face it, this is just the latest grossly overblown Shiny Object for you people to freak out about now that CRT has faded from the headlines. Your Krazy Klown Kult leaders need a new bugaboo to distract you from the fact that they have Absolutely. No. Actual. Ideas. and this week it's schools acknowledging that LGBT+ kids are a thing that exists in the real world.

Next week: Who knows? Left handed people being Secret Communists? Sure, why not? It's as plausible as any of the other garbage you dolts happily slurp down at the feet of your masters.

You sound completely unhinged. You will see how wrong and in the minority you are and that is not some fringe RWNJs looking for a distraction in about 7 months. Most people want teachers to teach the basics, not waste valuable instruction time on left wing fringe SJW BS. Talk about Krazy Klown Kult - the left and their cause du Jour is it, and they must capture the 5 yo crowd to brainwash for the next 12+ years because any reasonable thinking person above the age of 12 will reject all this nonsense.

+100
Most Americans don't want their children exposed to this crap at age 6.

“Most Americans” don’t live in NJ. Besides, nobody’s getting hurt by this. They might even turn out a few more female STEM professionals by tackling insidious gender discrimination early on. Some people can walk and chew gum at the same time. Their heads don’t explode when you suggest that white, Christian, Herero, natural born men supremacy isn’t the natural order of the world.

How would promoting the concept that gender is a social construct make women inclined to work in STEM? I'm a woman in STEM and don't see the connection you're making. I don't think there's anything about femininity that is at odds with working in science.

NP. The standards include teaching about the ways that gender stereotypes can be limiting (it's directly in the standards) and the particular lesson that Fox News is freaked out about (Pink Purple and Blue) is essentially a lesson about how both boys and girls can do most things, it expressly has the teacher teaching that girls be doctors and work with rockets. None of this is groundbreaking obviously, but it's definitely geared toward making sure girls know that they can do STEM stuff.

I don't think people are freaking out about the part you mention here. I think, from the OPs post, they are freakng out over the part that says ""Gender identity is that feeling of knowing your gender. You might feel like you are a boy, you might feel like you are a girl," the lesson plan states. "You might feel like you’re a boy even if you have body parts that some people might tell you are ‘girl’ parts. You might feel like you’re a girl even if you have body parts that some people might tell you are ‘boy’ parts."

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In no way does a K-3 child need to be given this extremely confusing message. Why can't they just BE?? Plenty of time to discuss gender/sexuality with older kids who can actually understand it.

Well, we have to teach young children the proper names for their sexual organs because there are so many actual abusers of children/pedophiles lurking around - of course more than a few of them are Republicans. Children can’t just be - they have active shooter drills b/c of our national obsession with guns and need to be identify the names of their body parts b/c they need to be able to report abuse. Not sure why that is a surprise.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand why we emphasizing feeling like a boy or girl at age 6. I really thought as a society we were moving toward not emphasizing that there were “boy” or “girl” activities, feelings and toys for kids. These lessons seem like a step backwards into segregating into gender stereotypes.

This x1000. It’s absurd and disturbing. Wth does “feel like a girl or a boy” mean to 1st grader? But I also agree it can’t be discussed here. I think there will be a backlash.

+1 democrat
I swear to god I think it’s an effort to lose. Dems hate winning.

+100

I agree. While I think that it's important to teach students about tolerance for LGBT people, I'm not supportive of what Democrats are doing. Their intense focus on gender identity will only lead to backlash, which will ultimately harm the LGBT community.

Waitaminnit - WHOSE intense focus on gender identity? Are you joking? Because from where I stand the "intense focus" is coming from only one direction, and it ain't the Democrats.

DP. You must be joking. Talk about loon...

We're not the ones having panic attacks on TV and storming school board meetings and the like. Face it, this is just the latest grossly overblown Shiny Object for you people to freak out about now that CRT has faded from the headlines. Your Krazy Klown Kult leaders need a new bugaboo to distract you from the fact that they have Absolutely. No. Actual. Ideas. and this week it's schools acknowledging that LGBT+ kids are a thing that exists in the real world.

Next week: Who knows? Left handed people being Secret Communists? Sure, why not? It's as plausible as any of the other garbage you dolts happily slurp down at the feet of your masters.

You sound completely unhinged. You will see how wrong and in the minority you are and that is not some fringe RWNJs looking for a distraction in about 7 months. Most people want teachers to teach the basics, not waste valuable instruction time on left wing fringe SJW BS. Talk about Krazy Klown Kult - the left and their cause du Jour is it, and they must capture the 5 yo crowd to brainwash for the next 12+ years because any reasonable thinking person above the age of 12 will reject all this nonsense.

+100
Most Americans don't want their children exposed to this crap at age 6.

“Most Americans” don’t live in NJ. Besides, nobody’s getting hurt by this. They might even turn out a few more female STEM professionals by tackling insidious gender discrimination early on. Some people can walk and chew gum at the same time. Their heads don’t explode when you suggest that white, Christian, Herero, natural born men supremacy isn’t the natural order of the world.

How would promoting the concept that gender is a social construct make women inclined to work in STEM? I'm a woman in STEM and don't see the connection you're making. I don't think there's anything about femininity that is at odds with working in science.

NP. The standards include teaching about the ways that gender stereotypes can be limiting (it's directly in the standards) and the particular lesson that Fox News is freaked out about (Pink Purple and Blue) is essentially a lesson about how both boys and girls can do most things, it expressly has the teacher teaching that girls be doctors and work with rockets. None of this is groundbreaking obviously, but it's definitely geared toward making sure girls know that they can do STEM stuff.

I don't think people are freaking out about the part you mention here. I think, from the OPs post, they are freakng out over the part that says ""Gender identity is that feeling of knowing your gender. You might feel like you are a boy, you might feel like you are a girl," the lesson plan states. "You might feel like you’re a boy even if you have body parts that some people might tell you are ‘girl’ parts. You might feel like you’re a girl even if you have body parts that some people might tell you are ‘boy’ parts."

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In no way does a K-3 child need to be given this extremely confusing message. Why can't they just BE?? Plenty of time to discuss gender/sexuality with older kids who can actually understand it.

Well, we have to teach young children the proper names for their sexual organs because there are so many actual abusers of children/pedophiles lurking around - of course more than a few of them are Republicans. Children can’t just be - they have active shooter drills b/c of our national obsession with guns and need to be identify the names of their body parts b/c they need to be able to report abuse. Not sure why that is a surprise.

You are deliberately ignoring the stated concern over teaching kids that they “might be a boy even if they have ‘girl parts’ or could be a girl even if they have ‘boy parts’”. That’s the non-factual, unscientific, quasi-religious component of the curriculum that has no business being taught to six and seven year olds.

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Anonymous wrote:Exactly. We were never lucky enough to have these issues discussed matter of factly in a school. We were on our own. This is progress.

+100!