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Anonymous wrote:Is there any reason why are people assuming that DCC students will be rezoned only to Woodward, and not to WJ as well? They are going to try to reduce disparities in FARMS rates between neighboring schools as well as they reasonably can, right?

This doesn't make sense as it would be a terrible commute for DCC. It makes more sense to pull from BCC, WJ, and and some of the other local W schools, and maybe parts of Einstein. I don't want my kids making that commute.

There are feeders to Einstein and Wheaton that are not a terrible commute to Woodward (Oakland Terrace and Viers Mill in particular). And the bottom line is Einstein is very overcrowded, so some of those kids will have to be sent to Woodward. I love the Bethesda parents on here who act like everything is based on their whims. No, WJ is not the only consideration here, and you can bet your bottom dollar that the BOE is not going to just ignore the DCC because that is not a good look for equity considerations. There is no chance they tell the lower income families down county that their kids have to stay in overcrowded schools with portable trailers so that the Bethesda snowflakes have enough space and can all maintain their little bubble. Give me a break.

As a OTES parent, the commute would be terrible. Einstein, Wheaton, and Northwood are much closer. It makes no sense.

They need to open an additional DCC high school.

Oakland Terrace is less than 5 minutes from Parkwood, which goes to WJ, which is the same distance as it will be from Woodward. There may be other reasons OTES doesn’t get zoned to Woodward but the commute, given it’s proximity to Parkwood, isn’t one of them. It’s a utilization issue. There are too many kids at Einstein, Blair, and WJ, and that is in no way going to decrease over the coming years, so Blair will get some of its kids sent to Northwood and Einstein and WJ will have some of their kids sent to Woodward.

Parts of OTES are not close to Parkland or Woodward. And clearly you don’t drive Conn Ave or the other roads in the morning. It would be a nightmare to go back and forth twice a day.

Come on, the OTES catchment area is not that big, there is no part of the catchment area that is more than a mile or so from any other part. Why would your HS kid not take the bus, because it would in no way be a nightmare to go the less than 5 miles from say GA Ave and Plyers Mill to Woodward. And if your kid can’t handle traveling 5 miles to get to school they have bigger problems.

Players Mill does not go to Woodward. 5 mikes here could be 30-60 minutes.

GA Ave from Viers Mill to Dennis is roughly the north boundary for OTES, this area includes GA and Plyers Mill, so if OTES got re-zoned for Woodward those neighborhoods would go there. Those areas are also the farthest points from Woodward in the OTES boundary and are still only about 5 miles away. I’ve lived here for 15 years and it does not take 60 minutes to get from there to the area where Woodward is even in the worst of rush hour, let alone at 7 am and 2:30 pm for HS transportation purposes. 30 minutes is not a huge deal for getting to and from school.

It is a big deal when you drive your kids and then have to wait in a pick up line

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Anonymous wrote:Call it an educated guess.

I’m interested how you would presume (or is that assume?) to know what the BOE will do when the BOE has not said what they will do. I would also be interested to understand your rationale for why they are paying for design and renderings for Phase 2, which represents all of the spaces for the performing arts magnet, if they don’t plan to open a performing arts magnet. Why would MCPS waste this time and money?

And my last question, if they fill up WJ and Woodward to capacity with DCC students, where will the students generated from all of these developments people keep mentioning go to school? Particularly since most of these developments are within the walk zone of both schools?

You have revealed ypur ignorance. MCPS does tons of site selection studies, capacity studies, and designs, that go nowhere.

Just in my cluster in the past 7 years, and just what I know of: TWO WJ/ES site selection studies. WJ Study Group. WJ Round Table. WJ ES capacity study. WJ/BCC ES site selection..
WJ/BCC capacity study. Not to mention the THREE actual designs to take WJ to 3500 which the community promptly rejected.

MCPS wastes money on studies and designs All. The. Time.

When these schools are replaced or expand they need to make them much larger if they will not open new ones. 3000 students is absurd.

Their is an individual who is very AGGRESSIVE with planting the idea that MCPS is creating a performing arts school. Not only has this happened before and failed but people don’t understand how expensive the performing arts can be.

No one has factor in the facility who will be apart of this theoretical program. Performing arts teachers with masters in their crafts are EXPENSIVE, supplies for the arts is EXPENSIVE, THE PERFORMING ARTS ARE EXPENSIVE. They’re not only expensive but a lot of parents view them as pointless. Look at the Visual Art Center, the oldest magnet program in the county and has been constantly threatened with budget cuts despite only having 2 teachers. They don’t even provide transportation.

Also, other arts programs in schools are being cut in MCPS. Why should MCPS fund a performing arts program but I’m fighting for my DC school choir program not to be cut? That’s not fair.

Lastly, where is the funds going to come from? Schools like Baltimore School of the Arts and Duke Ellington get funding from private donors and fight every year not to be cut. At this point, they’re only still opened because their historical monuments that are part of their cities. I don’t know about a program that’s just been launch and how long it will last before MCPS starts to cut some things.

The school could be like Loiderman’s program (messily put together) but what’s the point? I say make Einstein or Blake (Schools with an establish PA programs) countywide and be done with it.

So, given the expense we should get rid of sports as our performing arts kids have no interest.

Loiderman is not a real magnet or preforming arts. It’s more fun than serious.

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Anonymous wrote:Is there any reason why are people assuming that DCC students will be rezoned only to Woodward, and not to WJ as well? They are going to try to reduce disparities in FARMS rates between neighboring schools as well as they reasonably can, right?

This doesn't make sense as it would be a terrible commute for DCC. It makes more sense to pull from BCC, WJ, and and some of the other local W schools, and maybe parts of Einstein. I don't want my kids making that commute.

There are feeders to Einstein and Wheaton that are not a terrible commute to Woodward (Oakland Terrace and Viers Mill in particular). And the bottom line is Einstein is very overcrowded, so some of those kids will have to be sent to Woodward. I love the Bethesda parents on here who act like everything is based on their whims. No, WJ is not the only consideration here, and you can bet your bottom dollar that the BOE is not going to just ignore the DCC because that is not a good look for equity considerations. There is no chance they tell the lower income families down county that their kids have to stay in overcrowded schools with portable trailers so that the Bethesda snowflakes have enough space and can all maintain their little bubble. Give me a break.

As a OTES parent, the commute would be terrible. Einstein, Wheaton, and Northwood are much closer. It makes no sense.

They need to open an additional DCC high school.

Oakland Terrace is less than 5 minutes from Parkwood, which goes to WJ, which is the same distance as it will be from Woodward. There may be other reasons OTES doesn’t get zoned to Woodward but the commute, given it’s proximity to Parkwood, isn’t one of them. It’s a utilization issue. There are too many kids at Einstein, Blair, and WJ, and that is in no way going to decrease over the coming years, so Blair will get some of its kids sent to Northwood and Einstein and WJ will have some of their kids sent to Woodward.

Parts of OTES are not close to Parkland or Woodward. And clearly you don’t drive Conn Ave or the other roads in the morning. It would be a nightmare to go back and forth twice a day.

Come on, the OTES catchment area is not that big, there is no part of the catchment area that is more than a mile or so from any other part. Why would your HS kid not take the bus, because it would in no way be a nightmare to go the less than 5 miles from say GA Ave and Plyers Mill to Woodward. And if your kid can’t handle traveling 5 miles to get to school they have bigger problems.

Players Mill does not go to Woodward. 5 mikes here could be 30-60 minutes.

GA Ave from Viers Mill to Dennis is roughly the north boundary for OTES, this area includes GA and Plyers Mill, so if OTES got re-zoned for Woodward those neighborhoods would go there. Those areas are also the farthest points from Woodward in the OTES boundary and are still only about 5 miles away. I’ve lived here for 15 years and it does not take 60 minutes to get from there to the area where Woodward is even in the worst of rush hour, let alone at 7 am and 2:30 pm for HS transportation purposes. 30 minutes is not a huge deal for getting to and from school.

It is a big deal when you drive your kids and then have to wait in a pick up line

Why would you have to drive your HS age kid to and from school if a bus will take them?!

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Anonymous wrote:Call it an educated guess.

I’m interested how you would presume (or is that assume?) to know what the BOE will do when the BOE has not said what they will do. I would also be interested to understand your rationale for why they are paying for design and renderings for Phase 2, which represents all of the spaces for the performing arts magnet, if they don’t plan to open a performing arts magnet. Why would MCPS waste this time and money?

And my last question, if they fill up WJ and Woodward to capacity with DCC students, where will the students generated from all of these developments people keep mentioning go to school? Particularly since most of these developments are within the walk zone of both schools?

You have revealed ypur ignorance. MCPS does tons of site selection studies, capacity studies, and designs, that go nowhere.

Just in my cluster in the past 7 years, and just what I know of: TWO WJ/ES site selection studies. WJ Study Group. WJ Round Table. WJ ES capacity study. WJ/BCC ES site selection..
WJ/BCC capacity study. Not to mention the THREE actual designs to take WJ to 3500 which the community promptly rejected.

MCPS wastes money on studies and designs All. The. Time.

When these schools are replaced or expand they need to make them much larger if they will not open new ones. 3000 students is absurd.

Their is an individual who is very AGGRESSIVE with planting the idea that MCPS is creating a performing arts school. Not only has this happened before and failed but people don’t understand how expensive the performing arts can be.

No one has factor in the facility who will be apart of this theoretical program. Performing arts teachers with masters in their crafts are EXPENSIVE, supplies for the arts is EXPENSIVE, THE PERFORMING ARTS ARE EXPENSIVE. They’re not only expensive but a lot of parents view them as pointless. Look at the Visual Art Center, the oldest magnet program in the county and has been constantly threatened with budget cuts despite only having 2 teachers. They don’t even provide transportation.

Also, other arts programs in schools are being cut in MCPS. Why should MCPS fund a performing arts program but I’m fighting for my DC school choir program not to be cut? That’s not fair.

Lastly, where is the funds going to come from? Schools like Baltimore School of the Arts and Duke Ellington get funding from private donors and fight every year not to be cut. At this point, they’re only still opened because their historical monuments that are part of their cities. I don’t know about a program that’s just been launch and how long it will last before MCPS starts to cut some things.

The school could be like Loiderman’s program (messily put together) but what’s the point? I say make Einstein or Blake (Schools with an establish PA programs) countywide and be done with it.

So, given the expense we should get rid of sports as our performing arts kids have no interest.

Loiderman is not a real magnet or preforming arts. It’s more fun than serious.

Why do you think that? Their are so many factors of running a serious PA program that you’re not accounting. I don’t think it’s fair to support this over established PA programs. Just make it into a regular school so it can do it’s purpose; relieve crowding.

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Anonymous wrote:Call it an educated guess.

I’m interested how you would presume (or is that assume?) to know what the BOE will do when the BOE has not said what they will do. I would also be interested to understand your rationale for why they are paying for design and renderings for Phase 2, which represents all of the spaces for the performing arts magnet, if they don’t plan to open a performing arts magnet. Why would MCPS waste this time and money?

And my last question, if they fill up WJ and Woodward to capacity with DCC students, where will the students generated from all of these developments people keep mentioning go to school? Particularly since most of these developments are within the walk zone of both schools?

You have revealed ypur ignorance. MCPS does tons of site selection studies, capacity studies, and designs, that go nowhere.

Just in my cluster in the past 7 years, and just what I know of: TWO WJ/ES site selection studies. WJ Study Group. WJ Round Table. WJ ES capacity study. WJ/BCC ES site selection..
WJ/BCC capacity study. Not to mention the THREE actual designs to take WJ to 3500 which the community promptly rejected.

MCPS wastes money on studies and designs All. The. Time.

When these schools are replaced or expand they need to make them much larger if they will not open new ones. 3000 students is absurd.

Their is an individual who is very AGGRESSIVE with planting the idea that MCPS is creating a performing arts school. Not only has this happened before and failed but people don’t understand how expensive the performing arts can be.

No one has factor in the facility who will be apart of this theoretical program. Performing arts teachers with masters in their crafts are EXPENSIVE, supplies for the arts is EXPENSIVE, THE PERFORMING ARTS ARE EXPENSIVE. They’re not only expensive but a lot of parents view them as pointless. Look at the Visual Art Center, the oldest magnet program in the county and has been constantly threatened with budget cuts despite only having 2 teachers. They don’t even provide transportation.

Also, other arts programs in schools are being cut in MCPS. Why should MCPS fund a performing arts program but I’m fighting for my DC school choir program not to be cut? That’s not fair.

Lastly, where is the funds going to come from? Schools like Baltimore School of the Arts and Duke Ellington get funding from private donors and fight every year not to be cut. At this point, they’re only still opened because their historical monuments that are part of their cities. I don’t know about a program that’s just been launch and how long it will last before MCPS starts to cut some things.

The school could be like Loiderman’s program (messily put together) but what’s the point? I say make Einstein or Blake (Schools with an establish PA programs) countywide and be done with it.

So, given the expense we should get rid of sports as our performing arts kids have no interest.

Loiderman is not a real magnet or preforming arts. It’s more fun than serious.

Why do you think that? Their are so many factors of running a serious PA program that you’re not accounting. I don’t think it’s fair to support this over established PA programs. Just make it into a regular school so it can do it’s purpose; relieve crowding.

I think that due to personal experience. It’s a good school but not for serious kids. It is a regular school. It just has more music and art classes but the downside is it does not have other classes.

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Anonymous wrote:Is there any reason why are people assuming that DCC students will be rezoned only to Woodward, and not to WJ as well? They are going to try to reduce disparities in FARMS rates between neighboring schools as well as they reasonably can, right?

This doesn't make sense as it would be a terrible commute for DCC. It makes more sense to pull from BCC, WJ, and and some of the other local W schools, and maybe parts of Einstein. I don't want my kids making that commute.

There are feeders to Einstein and Wheaton that are not a terrible commute to Woodward (Oakland Terrace and Viers Mill in particular). And the bottom line is Einstein is very overcrowded, so some of those kids will have to be sent to Woodward. I love the Bethesda parents on here who act like everything is based on their whims. No, WJ is not the only consideration here, and you can bet your bottom dollar that the BOE is not going to just ignore the DCC because that is not a good look for equity considerations. There is no chance they tell the lower income families down county that their kids have to stay in overcrowded schools with portable trailers so that the Bethesda snowflakes have enough space and can all maintain their little bubble. Give me a break.

As a OTES parent, the commute would be terrible. Einstein, Wheaton, and Northwood are much closer. It makes no sense.

They need to open an additional DCC high school.

Oakland Terrace is less than 5 minutes from Parkwood, which goes to WJ, which is the same distance as it will be from Woodward. There may be other reasons OTES doesn’t get zoned to Woodward but the commute, given it’s proximity to Parkwood, isn’t one of them. It’s a utilization issue. There are too many kids at Einstein, Blair, and WJ, and that is in no way going to decrease over the coming years, so Blair will get some of its kids sent to Northwood and Einstein and WJ will have some of their kids sent to Woodward.

Parts of OTES are not close to Parkland or Woodward. And clearly you don’t drive Conn Ave or the other roads in the morning. It would be a nightmare to go back and forth twice a day.

Come on, the OTES catchment area is not that big, there is no part of the catchment area that is more than a mile or so from any other part. Why would your HS kid not take the bus, because it would in no way be a nightmare to go the less than 5 miles from say GA Ave and Plyers Mill to Woodward. And if your kid can’t handle traveling 5 miles to get to school they have bigger problems.

Players Mill does not go to Woodward. 5 mikes here could be 30-60 minutes.

GA Ave from Viers Mill to Dennis is roughly the north boundary for OTES, this area includes GA and Plyers Mill, so if OTES got re-zoned for Woodward those neighborhoods would go there. Those areas are also the farthest points from Woodward in the OTES boundary and are still only about 5 miles away. I’ve lived here for 15 years and it does not take 60 minutes to get from there to the area where Woodward is even in the worst of rush hour, let alone at 7 am and 2:30 pm for HS transportation purposes. 30 minutes is not a huge deal for getting to and from school.

It is a big deal when you drive your kids and then have to wait in a pick up line

Why would you have to drive your HS age kid to and from school if a bus will take them?!

We have never gotten a bus. We have always had to drive to an mcps school. And, why would you not drive your kids? And high school starts at 13-14. Too young to drive.

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Anonymous wrote:Is there any reason why are people assuming that DCC students will be rezoned only to Woodward, and not to WJ as well? They are going to try to reduce disparities in FARMS rates between neighboring schools as well as they reasonably can, right?

This doesn't make sense as it would be a terrible commute for DCC. It makes more sense to pull from BCC, WJ, and and some of the other local W schools, and maybe parts of Einstein. I don't want my kids making that commute.

There are feeders to Einstein and Wheaton that are not a terrible commute to Woodward (Oakland Terrace and Viers Mill in particular). And the bottom line is Einstein is very overcrowded, so some of those kids will have to be sent to Woodward. I love the Bethesda parents on here who act like everything is based on their whims. No, WJ is not the only consideration here, and you can bet your bottom dollar that the BOE is not going to just ignore the DCC because that is not a good look for equity considerations. There is no chance they tell the lower income families down county that their kids have to stay in overcrowded schools with portable trailers so that the Bethesda snowflakes have enough space and can all maintain their little bubble. Give me a break.

As a OTES parent, the commute would be terrible. Einstein, Wheaton, and Northwood are much closer. It makes no sense.

They need to open an additional DCC high school.

Oakland Terrace is less than 5 minutes from Parkwood, which goes to WJ, which is the same distance as it will be from Woodward. There may be other reasons OTES doesn’t get zoned to Woodward but the commute, given it’s proximity to Parkwood, isn’t one of them. It’s a utilization issue. There are too many kids at Einstein, Blair, and WJ, and that is in no way going to decrease over the coming years, so Blair will get some of its kids sent to Northwood and Einstein and WJ will have some of their kids sent to Woodward.

Parts of OTES are not close to Parkland or Woodward. And clearly you don’t drive Conn Ave or the other roads in the morning. It would be a nightmare to go back and forth twice a day.

Come on, the OTES catchment area is not that big, there is no part of the catchment area that is more than a mile or so from any other part. Why would your HS kid not take the bus, because it would in no way be a nightmare to go the less than 5 miles from say GA Ave and Plyers Mill to Woodward. And if your kid can’t handle traveling 5 miles to get to school they have bigger problems.

Players Mill does not go to Woodward. 5 mikes here could be 30-60 minutes.

GA Ave from Viers Mill to Dennis is roughly the north boundary for OTES, this area includes GA and Plyers Mill, so if OTES got re-zoned for Woodward those neighborhoods would go there. Those areas are also the farthest points from Woodward in the OTES boundary and are still only about 5 miles away. I’ve lived here for 15 years and it does not take 60 minutes to get from there to the area where Woodward is even in the worst of rush hour, let alone at 7 am and 2:30 pm for HS transportation purposes. 30 minutes is not a huge deal for getting to and from school.

It is a big deal when you drive your kids and then have to wait in a pick up line

Why would you have to drive your HS age kid to and from school if a bus will take them?!

We have never gotten a bus. We have always had to drive to an mcps school. And, why would you not drive your kids? And high school starts at 13-14. Too young to drive.

If you are the at the far ends of the OTES boundary you will get a bus either way to HS, whether it’s to Einstein or Woodward, because it’s out of the walk zone for both schools. To be honest there are very few areas in bounds for OTES that would be a safe walk to Einstein regardless of distance given the need to cross Connecticut and/or University, but if a bus will take my kids to school there is no need for me to drive them no matter what school it is.

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Anonymous wrote:Is there any reason why are people assuming that DCC students will be rezoned only to Woodward, and not to WJ as well? They are going to try to reduce disparities in FARMS rates between neighboring schools as well as they reasonably can, right?

This doesn't make sense as it would be a terrible commute for DCC. It makes more sense to pull from BCC, WJ, and and some of the other local W schools, and maybe parts of Einstein. I don't want my kids making that commute.

There are feeders to Einstein and Wheaton that are not a terrible commute to Woodward (Oakland Terrace and Viers Mill in particular). And the bottom line is Einstein is very overcrowded, so some of those kids will have to be sent to Woodward. I love the Bethesda parents on here who act like everything is based on their whims. No, WJ is not the only consideration here, and you can bet your bottom dollar that the BOE is not going to just ignore the DCC because that is not a good look for equity considerations. There is no chance they tell the lower income families down county that their kids have to stay in overcrowded schools with portable trailers so that the Bethesda snowflakes have enough space and can all maintain their little bubble. Give me a break.

As a OTES parent, the commute would be terrible. Einstein, Wheaton, and Northwood are much closer. It makes no sense.

They need to open an additional DCC high school.

Oakland Terrace is less than 5 minutes from Parkwood, which goes to WJ, which is the same distance as it will be from Woodward. There may be other reasons OTES doesn’t get zoned to Woodward but the commute, given it’s proximity to Parkwood, isn’t one of them. It’s a utilization issue. There are too many kids at Einstein, Blair, and WJ, and that is in no way going to decrease over the coming years, so Blair will get some of its kids sent to Northwood and Einstein and WJ will have some of their kids sent to Woodward.

Parts of OTES are not close to Parkland or Woodward. And clearly you don’t drive Conn Ave or the other roads in the morning. It would be a nightmare to go back and forth twice a day.

Come on, the OTES catchment area is not that big, there is no part of the catchment area that is more than a mile or so from any other part. Why would your HS kid not take the bus, because it would in no way be a nightmare to go the less than 5 miles from say GA Ave and Plyers Mill to Woodward. And if your kid can’t handle traveling 5 miles to get to school they have bigger problems.

Players Mill does not go to Woodward. 5 mikes here could be 30-60 minutes.

GA Ave from Viers Mill to Dennis is roughly the north boundary for OTES, this area includes GA and Plyers Mill, so if OTES got re-zoned for Woodward those neighborhoods would go there. Those areas are also the farthest points from Woodward in the OTES boundary and are still only about 5 miles away. I’ve lived here for 15 years and it does not take 60 minutes to get from there to the area where Woodward is even in the worst of rush hour, let alone at 7 am and 2:30 pm for HS transportation purposes. 30 minutes is not a huge deal for getting to and from school.

It is a big deal when you drive your kids and then have to wait in a pick up line

Why would you have to drive your HS age kid to and from school if a bus will take them?!

We have never gotten a bus. We have always had to drive to an mcps school. And, why would you not drive your kids? And high school starts at 13-14. Too young to drive.

If you are the at the far ends of the OTES boundary you will get a bus either way to HS, whether it’s to Einstein or Woodward, because it’s out of the walk zone for both schools. To be honest there are very few areas in bounds for OTES that would be a safe walk to Einstein regardless of distance given the need to cross Connecticut and/or University, but if a bus will take my kids to school there is no need for me to drive them no matter what school it is.

Einstein is much much closer.

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Anonymous wrote:Is there any reason why are people assuming that DCC students will be rezoned only to Woodward, and not to WJ as well? They are going to try to reduce disparities in FARMS rates between neighboring schools as well as they reasonably can, right?

This doesn't make sense as it would be a terrible commute for DCC. It makes more sense to pull from BCC, WJ, and and some of the other local W schools, and maybe parts of Einstein. I don't want my kids making that commute.

There are feeders to Einstein and Wheaton that are not a terrible commute to Woodward (Oakland Terrace and Viers Mill in particular). And the bottom line is Einstein is very overcrowded, so some of those kids will have to be sent to Woodward. I love the Bethesda parents on here who act like everything is based on their whims. No, WJ is not the only consideration here, and you can bet your bottom dollar that the BOE is not going to just ignore the DCC because that is not a good look for equity considerations. There is no chance they tell the lower income families down county that their kids have to stay in overcrowded schools with portable trailers so that the Bethesda snowflakes have enough space and can all maintain their little bubble. Give me a break.

As a OTES parent, the commute would be terrible. Einstein, Wheaton, and Northwood are much closer. It makes no sense.

They need to open an additional DCC high school.

Oakland Terrace is less than 5 minutes from Parkwood, which goes to WJ, which is the same distance as it will be from Woodward. There may be other reasons OTES doesn’t get zoned to Woodward but the commute, given it’s proximity to Parkwood, isn’t one of them. It’s a utilization issue. There are too many kids at Einstein, Blair, and WJ, and that is in no way going to decrease over the coming years, so Blair will get some of its kids sent to Northwood and Einstein and WJ will have some of their kids sent to Woodward.

Parts of OTES are not close to Parkland or Woodward. And clearly you don’t drive Conn Ave or the other roads in the morning. It would be a nightmare to go back and forth twice a day.

Come on, the OTES catchment area is not that big, there is no part of the catchment area that is more than a mile or so from any other part. Why would your HS kid not take the bus, because it would in no way be a nightmare to go the less than 5 miles from say GA Ave and Plyers Mill to Woodward. And if your kid can’t handle traveling 5 miles to get to school they have bigger problems.

Players Mill does not go to Woodward. 5 mikes here could be 30-60 minutes.

GA Ave from Viers Mill to Dennis is roughly the north boundary for OTES, this area includes GA and Plyers Mill, so if OTES got re-zoned for Woodward those neighborhoods would go there. Those areas are also the farthest points from Woodward in the OTES boundary and are still only about 5 miles away. I’ve lived here for 15 years and it does not take 60 minutes to get from there to the area where Woodward is even in the worst of rush hour, let alone at 7 am and 2:30 pm for HS transportation purposes. 30 minutes is not a huge deal for getting to and from school.

It is a big deal when you drive your kids and then have to wait in a pick up line

Why would you have to drive your HS age kid to and from school if a bus will take them?!

We have never gotten a bus. We have always had to drive to an mcps school. And, why would you not drive your kids? And high school starts at 13-14. Too young to drive.

If you are the at the far ends of the OTES boundary you will get a bus either way to HS, whether it’s to Einstein or Woodward, because it’s out of the walk zone for both schools. To be honest there are very few areas in bounds for OTES that would be a safe walk to Einstein regardless of distance given the need to cross Connecticut and/or University, but if a bus will take my kids to school there is no need for me to drive them no matter what school it is.

Einstein is much much closer.

Obviously it’s closer, but that 15 minute difference is negligible in the grand scheme of things, we aren’t talking about kids spending an extra hour to get to Woodward v Einstein. Some Einstein feeder is going to get sent to Woodward despite being closer to Einstein because keeping kids in portables due to overcrowding is not really the gold standard for education.

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Anonymous wrote:Is there any reason why are people assuming that DCC students will be rezoned only to Woodward, and not to WJ as well? They are going to try to reduce disparities in FARMS rates between neighboring schools as well as they reasonably can, right?

This doesn't make sense as it would be a terrible commute for DCC. It makes more sense to pull from BCC, WJ, and and some of the other local W schools, and maybe parts of Einstein. I don't want my kids making that commute.

There are feeders to Einstein and Wheaton that are not a terrible commute to Woodward (Oakland Terrace and Viers Mill in particular). And the bottom line is Einstein is very overcrowded, so some of those kids will have to be sent to Woodward. I love the Bethesda parents on here who act like everything is based on their whims. No, WJ is not the only consideration here, and you can bet your bottom dollar that the BOE is not going to just ignore the DCC because that is not a good look for equity considerations. There is no chance they tell the lower income families down county that their kids have to stay in overcrowded schools with portable trailers so that the Bethesda snowflakes have enough space and can all maintain their little bubble. Give me a break.

As a OTES parent, the commute would be terrible. Einstein, Wheaton, and Northwood are much closer. It makes no sense.

They need to open an additional DCC high school.

Oakland Terrace is less than 5 minutes from Parkwood, which goes to WJ, which is the same distance as it will be from Woodward. There may be other reasons OTES doesn’t get zoned to Woodward but the commute, given it’s proximity to Parkwood, isn’t one of them. It’s a utilization issue. There are too many kids at Einstein, Blair, and WJ, and that is in no way going to decrease over the coming years, so Blair will get some of its kids sent to Northwood and Einstein and WJ will have some of their kids sent to Woodward.

Parts of OTES are not close to Parkland or Woodward. And clearly you don’t drive Conn Ave or the other roads in the morning. It would be a nightmare to go back and forth twice a day.

Come on, the OTES catchment area is not that big, there is no part of the catchment area that is more than a mile or so from any other part. Why would your HS kid not take the bus, because it would in no way be a nightmare to go the less than 5 miles from say GA Ave and Plyers Mill to Woodward. And if your kid can’t handle traveling 5 miles to get to school they have bigger problems.

Players Mill does not go to Woodward. 5 mikes here could be 30-60 minutes.

GA Ave from Viers Mill to Dennis is roughly the north boundary for OTES, this area includes GA and Plyers Mill, so if OTES got re-zoned for Woodward those neighborhoods would go there. Those areas are also the farthest points from Woodward in the OTES boundary and are still only about 5 miles away. I’ve lived here for 15 years and it does not take 60 minutes to get from there to the area where Woodward is even in the worst of rush hour, let alone at 7 am and 2:30 pm for HS transportation purposes. 30 minutes is not a huge deal for getting to and from school.

It is a big deal when you drive your kids and then have to wait in a pick up line

Why would you have to drive your HS age kid to and from school if a bus will take them?!

We have never gotten a bus. We have always had to drive to an mcps school. And, why would you not drive your kids? And high school starts at 13-14. Too young to drive.

If you are the at the far ends of the OTES boundary you will get a bus either way to HS, whether it’s to Einstein or Woodward, because it’s out of the walk zone for both schools. To be honest there are very few areas in bounds for OTES that would be a safe walk to Einstein regardless of distance given the need to cross Connecticut and/or University, but if a bus will take my kids to school there is no need for me to drive them no matter what school it is.

University yes, but there are zero areas in bounds for OTES where you would cross Connecticut to get to Einstein.

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Anonymous wrote:Is there any reason why are people assuming that DCC students will be rezoned only to Woodward, and not to WJ as well? They are going to try to reduce disparities in FARMS rates between neighboring schools as well as they reasonably can, right?

This doesn't make sense as it would be a terrible commute for DCC. It makes more sense to pull from BCC, WJ, and and some of the other local W schools, and maybe parts of Einstein. I don't want my kids making that commute.

There are feeders to Einstein and Wheaton that are not a terrible commute to Woodward (Oakland Terrace and Viers Mill in particular). And the bottom line is Einstein is very overcrowded, so some of those kids will have to be sent to Woodward. I love the Bethesda parents on here who act like everything is based on their whims. No, WJ is not the only consideration here, and you can bet your bottom dollar that the BOE is not going to just ignore the DCC because that is not a good look for equity considerations. There is no chance they tell the lower income families down county that their kids have to stay in overcrowded schools with portable trailers so that the Bethesda snowflakes have enough space and can all maintain their little bubble. Give me a break.

As a OTES parent, the commute would be terrible. Einstein, Wheaton, and Northwood are much closer. It makes no sense.

They need to open an additional DCC high school.

Oakland Terrace is less than 5 minutes from Parkwood, which goes to WJ, which is the same distance as it will be from Woodward. There may be other reasons OTES doesn’t get zoned to Woodward but the commute, given it’s proximity to Parkwood, isn’t one of them. It’s a utilization issue. There are too many kids at Einstein, Blair, and WJ, and that is in no way going to decrease over the coming years, so Blair will get some of its kids sent to Northwood and Einstein and WJ will have some of their kids sent to Woodward.

Parts of OTES are not close to Parkland or Woodward. And clearly you don’t drive Conn Ave or the other roads in the morning. It would be a nightmare to go back and forth twice a day.

Come on, the OTES catchment area is not that big, there is no part of the catchment area that is more than a mile or so from any other part. Why would your HS kid not take the bus, because it would in no way be a nightmare to go the less than 5 miles from say GA Ave and Plyers Mill to Woodward. And if your kid can’t handle traveling 5 miles to get to school they have bigger problems.

Players Mill does not go to Woodward. 5 mikes here could be 30-60 minutes.

GA Ave from Viers Mill to Dennis is roughly the north boundary for OTES, this area includes GA and Plyers Mill, so if OTES got re-zoned for Woodward those neighborhoods would go there. Those areas are also the farthest points from Woodward in the OTES boundary and are still only about 5 miles away. I’ve lived here for 15 years and it does not take 60 minutes to get from there to the area where Woodward is even in the worst of rush hour, let alone at 7 am and 2:30 pm for HS transportation purposes. 30 minutes is not a huge deal for getting to and from school.

It is a big deal when you drive your kids and then have to wait in a pick up line

Why would you have to drive your HS age kid to and from school if a bus will take them?!

We have never gotten a bus. We have always had to drive to an mcps school. And, why would you not drive your kids? And high school starts at 13-14. Too young to drive.

If you are the at the far ends of the OTES boundary you will get a bus either way to HS, whether it’s to Einstein or Woodward, because it’s out of the walk zone for both schools. To be honest there are very few areas in bounds for OTES that would be a safe walk to Einstein regardless of distance given the need to cross Connecticut and/or University, but if a bus will take my kids to school there is no need for me to drive them no matter what school it is.

Einstein is much much closer.

Obviously it’s closer, but that 15 minute difference is negligible in the grand scheme of things, we aren’t talking about kids spending an extra hour to get to Woodward v Einstein. Some Einstein feeder is going to get sent to Woodward despite being closer to Einstein because keeping kids in portables due to overcrowding is not really the gold standard for education.

As a parent who would have to get my kids after school it is a big deal. That makes no sense when there are multiple closer schools. They can pull from the WJ Kensington area. That would make sense and closer schools and rearrange everyone.

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Anonymous wrote:Call it an educated guess.

I’m interested how you would presume (or is that assume?) to know what the BOE will do when the BOE has not said what they will do. I would also be interested to understand your rationale for why they are paying for design and renderings for Phase 2, which represents all of the spaces for the performing arts magnet, if they don’t plan to open a performing arts magnet. Why would MCPS waste this time and money?

And my last question, if they fill up WJ and Woodward to capacity with DCC students, where will the students generated from all of these developments people keep mentioning go to school? Particularly since most of these developments are within the walk zone of both schools?

You have revealed ypur ignorance. MCPS does tons of site selection studies, capacity studies, and designs, that go nowhere.

Just in my cluster in the past 7 years, and just what I know of: TWO WJ/ES site selection studies. WJ Study Group. WJ Round Table. WJ ES capacity study. WJ/BCC ES site selection..
WJ/BCC capacity study. Not to mention the THREE actual designs to take WJ to 3500 which the community promptly rejected.

MCPS wastes money on studies and designs All. The. Time.

When these schools are replaced or expand they need to make them much larger if they will not open new ones. 3000 students is absurd.

Their is an individual who is very AGGRESSIVE with planting the idea that MCPS is creating a performing arts school. Not only has this happened before and failed but people don’t understand how expensive the performing arts can be.

No one has factor in the facility who will be apart of this theoretical program. Performing arts teachers with masters in their crafts are EXPENSIVE, supplies for the arts is EXPENSIVE, THE PERFORMING ARTS ARE EXPENSIVE. They’re not only expensive but a lot of parents view them as pointless. Look at the Visual Art Center, the oldest magnet program in the county and has been constantly threatened with budget cuts despite only having 2 teachers. They don’t even provide transportation.

Also, other arts programs in schools are being cut in MCPS. Why should MCPS fund a performing arts program but I’m fighting for my DC school choir program not to be cut? That’s not fair.

Lastly, where is the funds going to come from? Schools like Baltimore School of the Arts and Duke Ellington get funding from private donors and fight every year not to be cut. At this point, they’re only still opened because their historical monuments that are part of their cities. I don’t know about a program that’s just been launch and how long it will last before MCPS starts to cut some things.

The school could be like Loiderman’s program (messily put together) but what’s the point? I say make Einstein or Blake (Schools with an establish PA programs) countywide and be done with it.

So, given the expense we should get rid of sports as our performing arts kids have no interest.

Loiderman is not a real magnet or preforming arts. It’s more fun than serious.
Why do you think people on DCUM are “planting” ideas about a magnet and why does this make you so concerned?

Did you review the Phase 2 presentation that this thread is about? What do you think those planned facilities are for?

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This doesn't make sense as it would be a terrible commute for DCC. It makes more sense to pull from BCC, WJ, and and some of the other local W schools, and maybe parts of Einstein. I don't want my kids making that commute.

There are feeders to Einstein and Wheaton that are not a terrible commute to Woodward (Oakland Terrace and Viers Mill in particular). And the bottom line is Einstein is very overcrowded, so some of those kids will have to be sent to Woodward. I love the Bethesda parents on here who act like everything is based on their whims. No, WJ is not the only consideration here, and you can bet your bottom dollar that the BOE is not going to just ignore the DCC because that is not a good look for equity considerations. There is no chance they tell the lower income families down county that their kids have to stay in overcrowded schools with portable trailers so that the Bethesda snowflakes have enough space and can all maintain their little bubble. Give me a break.

As a OTES parent, the commute would be terrible. Einstein, Wheaton, and Northwood are much closer. It makes no sense.

They need to open an additional DCC high school.

Oakland Terrace is less than 5 minutes from Parkwood, which goes to WJ, which is the same distance as it will be from Woodward. There may be other reasons OTES doesn’t get zoned to Woodward but the commute, given it’s proximity to Parkwood, isn’t one of them. It’s a utilization issue. There are too many kids at Einstein, Blair, and WJ, and that is in no way going to decrease over the coming years, so Blair will get some of its kids sent to Northwood and Einstein and WJ will have some of their kids sent to Woodward.

Parts of OTES are not close to Parkland or Woodward. And clearly you don’t drive Conn Ave or the other roads in the morning. It would be a nightmare to go back and forth twice a day.

Come on, the OTES catchment area is not that big, there is no part of the catchment area that is more than a mile or so from any other part. Why would your HS kid not take the bus, because it would in no way be a nightmare to go the less than 5 miles from say GA Ave and Plyers Mill to Woodward. And if your kid can’t handle traveling 5 miles to get to school they have bigger problems.

Players Mill does not go to Woodward. 5 mikes here could be 30-60 minutes.

GA Ave from Viers Mill to Dennis is roughly the north boundary for OTES, this area includes GA and Plyers Mill, so if OTES got re-zoned for Woodward those neighborhoods would go there. Those areas are also the farthest points from Woodward in the OTES boundary and are still only about 5 miles away. I’ve lived here for 15 years and it does not take 60 minutes to get from there to the area where Woodward is even in the worst of rush hour, let alone at 7 am and 2:30 pm for HS transportation purposes. 30 minutes is not a huge deal for getting to and from school.

It is a big deal when you drive your kids and then have to wait in a pick up line

Why would you have to drive your HS age kid to and from school if a bus will take them?!

We have never gotten a bus. We have always had to drive to an mcps school. And, why would you not drive your kids? And high school starts at 13-14. Too young to drive.

If you are the at the far ends of the OTES boundary you will get a bus either way to HS, whether it’s to Einstein or Woodward, because it’s out of the walk zone for both schools. To be honest there are very few areas in bounds for OTES that would be a safe walk to Einstein regardless of distance given the need to cross Connecticut and/or University, but if a bus will take my kids to school there is no need for me to drive them no matter what school it is.

University yes, but there are zero areas in bounds for OTES where you would cross Connecticut to get to Einstein.

You can cross at Conn lower down. It would not be safe to walk but it is walkable.

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Anonymous wrote:Is there any reason why are people assuming that DCC students will be rezoned only to Woodward, and not to WJ as well? They are going to try to reduce disparities in FARMS rates between neighboring schools as well as they reasonably can, right?

This doesn't make sense as it would be a terrible commute for DCC. It makes more sense to pull from BCC, WJ, and and some of the other local W schools, and maybe parts of Einstein. I don't want my kids making that commute.

There are feeders to Einstein and Wheaton that are not a terrible commute to Woodward (Oakland Terrace and Viers Mill in particular). And the bottom line is Einstein is very overcrowded, so some of those kids will have to be sent to Woodward. I love the Bethesda parents on here who act like everything is based on their whims. No, WJ is not the only consideration here, and you can bet your bottom dollar that the BOE is not going to just ignore the DCC because that is not a good look for equity considerations. There is no chance they tell the lower income families down county that their kids have to stay in overcrowded schools with portable trailers so that the Bethesda snowflakes have enough space and can all maintain their little bubble. Give me a break.

As a OTES parent, the commute would be terrible. Einstein, Wheaton, and Northwood are much closer. It makes no sense.

They need to open an additional DCC high school.

Oakland Terrace is less than 5 minutes from Parkwood, which goes to WJ, which is the same distance as it will be from Woodward. There may be other reasons OTES doesn’t get zoned to Woodward but the commute, given it’s proximity to Parkwood, isn’t one of them. It’s a utilization issue. There are too many kids at Einstein, Blair, and WJ, and that is in no way going to decrease over the coming years, so Blair will get some of its kids sent to Northwood and Einstein and WJ will have some of their kids sent to Woodward.

Parts of OTES are not close to Parkland or Woodward. And clearly you don’t drive Conn Ave or the other roads in the morning. It would be a nightmare to go back and forth twice a day.

Come on, the OTES catchment area is not that big, there is no part of the catchment area that is more than a mile or so from any other part. Why would your HS kid not take the bus, because it would in no way be a nightmare to go the less than 5 miles from say GA Ave and Plyers Mill to Woodward. And if your kid can’t handle traveling 5 miles to get to school they have bigger problems.

Players Mill does not go to Woodward. 5 mikes here could be 30-60 minutes.

GA Ave from Viers Mill to Dennis is roughly the north boundary for OTES, this area includes GA and Plyers Mill, so if OTES got re-zoned for Woodward those neighborhoods would go there. Those areas are also the farthest points from Woodward in the OTES boundary and are still only about 5 miles away. I’ve lived here for 15 years and it does not take 60 minutes to get from there to the area where Woodward is even in the worst of rush hour, let alone at 7 am and 2:30 pm for HS transportation purposes. 30 minutes is not a huge deal for getting to and from school.

It is a big deal when you drive your kids and then have to wait in a pick up line

Why would you have to drive your HS age kid to and from school if a bus will take them?!

We have never gotten a bus. We have always had to drive to an mcps school. And, why would you not drive your kids? And high school starts at 13-14. Too young to drive.

If you are the at the far ends of the OTES boundary you will get a bus either way to HS, whether it’s to Einstein or Woodward, because it’s out of the walk zone for both schools. To be honest there are very few areas in bounds for OTES that would be a safe walk to Einstein regardless of distance given the need to cross Connecticut and/or University, but if a bus will take my kids to school there is no need for me to drive them no matter what school it is.

University yes, but there are zero areas in bounds for OTES where you would cross Connecticut to get to Einstein.

You can cross at Conn lower down. It would not be safe to walk but it is walkable.

Einstein is located east of Connecticut. All of the OTES zone is also east of Connecticut. So you would not cross Connecticut at all.

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This doesn't make sense as it would be a terrible commute for DCC. It makes more sense to pull from BCC, WJ, and and some of the other local W schools, and maybe parts of Einstein. I don't want my kids making that commute.

There are feeders to Einstein and Wheaton that are not a terrible commute to Woodward (Oakland Terrace and Viers Mill in particular). And the bottom line is Einstein is very overcrowded, so some of those kids will have to be sent to Woodward. I love the Bethesda parents on here who act like everything is based on their whims. No, WJ is not the only consideration here, and you can bet your bottom dollar that the BOE is not going to just ignore the DCC because that is not a good look for equity considerations. There is no chance they tell the lower income families down county that their kids have to stay in overcrowded schools with portable trailers so that the Bethesda snowflakes have enough space and can all maintain their little bubble. Give me a break.

As a OTES parent, the commute would be terrible. Einstein, Wheaton, and Northwood are much closer. It makes no sense.

They need to open an additional DCC high school.

Oakland Terrace is less than 5 minutes from Parkwood, which goes to WJ, which is the same distance as it will be from Woodward. There may be other reasons OTES doesn’t get zoned to Woodward but the commute, given it’s proximity to Parkwood, isn’t one of them. It’s a utilization issue. There are too many kids at Einstein, Blair, and WJ, and that is in no way going to decrease over the coming years, so Blair will get some of its kids sent to Northwood and Einstein and WJ will have some of their kids sent to Woodward.

Parts of OTES are not close to Parkland or Woodward. And clearly you don’t drive Conn Ave or the other roads in the morning. It would be a nightmare to go back and forth twice a day.

Come on, the OTES catchment area is not that big, there is no part of the catchment area that is more than a mile or so from any other part. Why would your HS kid not take the bus, because it would in no way be a nightmare to go the less than 5 miles from say GA Ave and Plyers Mill to Woodward. And if your kid can’t handle traveling 5 miles to get to school they have bigger problems.

Players Mill does not go to Woodward. 5 mikes here could be 30-60 minutes.

GA Ave from Viers Mill to Dennis is roughly the north boundary for OTES, this area includes GA and Plyers Mill, so if OTES got re-zoned for Woodward those neighborhoods would go there. Those areas are also the farthest points from Woodward in the OTES boundary and are still only about 5 miles away. I’ve lived here for 15 years and it does not take 60 minutes to get from there to the area where Woodward is even in the worst of rush hour, let alone at 7 am and 2:30 pm for HS transportation purposes. 30 minutes is not a huge deal for getting to and from school.

It is a big deal when you drive your kids and then have to wait in a pick up line

Why would you have to drive your HS age kid to and from school if a bus will take them?!

We have never gotten a bus. We have always had to drive to an mcps school. And, why would you not drive your kids? And high school starts at 13-14. Too young to drive.

If you are the at the far ends of the OTES boundary you will get a bus either way to HS, whether it’s to Einstein or Woodward, because it’s out of the walk zone for both schools. To be honest there are very few areas in bounds for OTES that would be a safe walk to Einstein regardless of distance given the need to cross Connecticut and/or University, but if a bus will take my kids to school there is no need for me to drive them no matter what school it is.

University yes, but there are zero areas in bounds for OTES where you would cross Connecticut to get to Einstein.

You can cross at Conn lower down. It would not be safe to walk but it is walkable.

Einstein is located east of Connecticut. All of the OTES zone is also east of Connecticut. So you would not cross Connecticut at all.

Yes, we would depending on what route you take.