Anyone think we might be better off without Home Rule in DC?

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Anonymous wrote:Republicans complain about violent crime while blocking gun control.

That's a feature, not a bug.

They want Chicago, DC, NYC, etc flooded with illegal guns and violence. It gives them a campaign talking point.

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[Anonymous]

No - - we already suffer enough under the sword of those we cannot elect.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m super liberal but if offered a tax haven status I’d give up Home Rule in a second. Would hope clean streets and corruptless government would be part of the package.

Taxation without representation.
This is what the original Boston Tea Party was all about.

Pick one. Either give us representation or waive federal taxes for us.

You have a vote at the federal level. You vote for president same as every other citizen. You are a city, and you have city representation in your D.C. city council. Where is this taxation your taxation without representation? Do you mean you want to add 2 more D senators and send more Ds to congress for political purposes? Yes, I suspect that is the gist of your argument. Be honest.

This is such a disingenuous argument. People who live in DC DGAF about the power balance in sending two Dem senators to congress. They just want the representation. Party politics should not stop people from getting representation for how their tax dollars are spent.

+1 I want I senator I elected to call if I don’t like what congress is doing with my tax dollars. I want a *voting* congressional rep to represent my interests. If MD would take us back I’d be fine with that honestly, but I hear they don’t want us so I’ll take the tax exemption. Or DC Statehood. Either’s good with me.

You knowingly chose to live in the only city in the entire U.S. without Senators. People make compromises on where they live based on their priorities all the time, moving to the burbs for the schools, closer to a job for a shorter commute, closer to elderly family members or grandkids, etc. If picking up the phone to call a senator was your top priority, you maybe should have compromised on a different location. In your case, statistically, I suspect you are a D, and your senators would be Ds, so doubt you would actually be picking up the phone and doing much calling. Plus, they don't really care anyway; they virtually all vote party line except the couple who have a lot of Rs back home to answer to.

I am not the PP you are quoting but I am the PP you are responding to. I was born and raised in DC and although I am a registered dem (because otherwise you get no vote in the primary) I lean right and would absolutely vote for an R senator if that person better represented my views. When I lived in another state for grad school I voted for an R senator who took the place of a D senator.

The “you can choose where to live” line is a super lazy argument. The fact that I could move out of DC doesn’t mean I should have to in order to have a say in how my tax dollars are spent. People who voted for Trump in the last election could choose to leave the US if they don’t like the president but that doesn’t mean they aren’t allowed to express their displeasure for Biden or vote against him.

PP made such a dumb, and frankly, un-American argument with "you chose to live here." If you had said that in Boston in December 1773 you would have been thrown into the bay along with the Tea.
Please, get on the right side of history. If you really want to deny people representation that badly then at least waive all federal taxes for DC residents.

You have representation. Stop whining.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m super liberal but if offered a tax haven status I’d give up Home Rule in a second. Would hope clean streets and corruptless government would be part of the package.

Taxation without representation.
This is what the original Boston Tea Party was all about.

Pick one. Either give us representation or waive federal taxes for us.

You have a vote at the federal level. You vote for president same as every other citizen. You are a city, and you have city representation in your D.C. city council. Where is this taxation your taxation without representation? Do you mean you want to add 2 more D senators and send more Ds to congress for political purposes? Yes, I suspect that is the gist of your argument. Be honest.

This is such a disingenuous argument. People who live in DC DGAF about the power balance in sending two Dem senators to congress. They just want the representation. Party politics should not stop people from getting representation for how their tax dollars are spent.

+1 I want I senator I elected to call if I don’t like what congress is doing with my tax dollars. I want a *voting* congressional rep to represent my interests. If MD would take us back I’d be fine with that honestly, but I hear they don’t want us so I’ll take the tax exemption. Or DC Statehood. Either’s good with me.

You knowingly chose to live in the only city in the entire U.S. without Senators. People make compromises on where they live based on their priorities all the time, moving to the burbs for the schools, closer to a job for a shorter commute, closer to elderly family members or grandkids, etc. If picking up the phone to call a senator was your top priority, you maybe should have compromised on a different location. In your case, statistically, I suspect you are a D, and your senators would be Ds, so doubt you would actually be picking up the phone and doing much calling. Plus, they don't really care anyway; they virtually all vote party line except the couple who have a lot of Rs back home to answer to.

I am not the PP you are quoting but I am the PP you are responding to. I was born and raised in DC and although I am a registered dem (because otherwise you get no vote in the primary) I lean right and would absolutely vote for an R senator if that person better represented my views. When I lived in another state for grad school I voted for an R senator who took the place of a D senator.

The “you can choose where to live” line is a super lazy argument. The fact that I could move out of DC doesn’t mean I should have to in order to have a say in how my tax dollars are spent. People who voted for Trump in the last election could choose to leave the US if they don’t like the president but that doesn’t mean they aren’t allowed to express their displeasure for Biden or vote against him.

PP made such a dumb, and frankly, un-American argument with "you chose to live here." If you had said that in Boston in December 1773 you would have been thrown into the bay along with the Tea.
Please, get on the right side of history. If you really want to deny people representation that badly then at least waive all federal taxes for DC residents.

You have representation. Stop whining.

DC residents do not have representation.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Super Dem here, but please ask me if:
I’d rather not pay tax?
I’d take back my pro-marijuana vote now that the city smells like a dirty sock permanently?
I’d prefer less crime, better governance and no corruption?

If someone tries to legalize prostitution, I’d suggest first try living next to a neighbor plying their trade.

It’s all good till you get bricked in the head, and it’s only a matter of time by the way it’s going

I dread the day we get a new OAG, Racine was an awesome gift this city didn’t deserve

Why would you think we'd have less crime/better governance/no corruption if the people running the city were completely unaccountable to the people who live here, as they would be if Congress controlled the District on its own without local elected officials?

You honestly think Congress is more corrupt than the DC council?

Hell yeah. Are you kidding me?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Super Dem here, but please ask me if:
I’d rather not pay tax?
I’d take back my pro-marijuana vote now that the city smells like a dirty sock permanently?
I’d prefer less crime, better governance and no corruption?

If someone tries to legalize prostitution, I’d suggest first try living next to a neighbor plying their trade.

It’s all good till you get bricked in the head, and it’s only a matter of time by the way it’s going

I dread the day we get a new OAG, Racine was an awesome gift this city didn’t deserve

Why would you think we'd have less crime/better governance/no corruption if the people running the city were completely unaccountable to the people who live here, as they would be if Congress controlled the District on its own without local elected officials?

You honestly think Congress is more corrupt than the DC council?

There’s a sitting Congressman on trial right now.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m super liberal but if offered a tax haven status I’d give up Home Rule in a second. Would hope clean streets and corruptless government would be part of the package.

Taxation without representation.
This is what the original Boston Tea Party was all about.

Pick one. Either give us representation or waive federal taxes for us.

Sorta? I mean there was no taxation because the labor was free. So, representation for free labor?

Really, the federal district ideally should have only a handful of residents, and be reduced in area to encompass the buildings around that National Mall. The rest should return to MD.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m super liberal but if offered a tax haven status I’d give up Home Rule in a second. Would hope clean streets and corruptless government would be part of the package.

Taxation without representation.
This is what the original Boston Tea Party was all about.

Pick one. Either give us representation or waive federal taxes for us.

You have a vote at the federal level. You vote for president same as every other citizen. You are a city, and you have city representation in your D.C. city council. Where is this taxation your taxation without representation? Do you mean you want to add 2 more D senators and send more Ds to congress for political purposes? Yes, I suspect that is the gist of your argument. Be honest.

This is such a disingenuous argument. People who live in DC DGAF about the power balance in sending two Dem senators to congress. They just want the representation. Party politics should not stop people from getting representation for how their tax dollars are spent.

+1 I want I senator I elected to call if I don’t like what congress is doing with my tax dollars. I want a *voting* congressional rep to represent my interests. If MD would take us back I’d be fine with that honestly, but I hear they don’t want us so I’ll take the tax exemption. Or DC Statehood. Either’s good with me.

You knowingly chose to live in the only city in the entire U.S. without Senators. People make compromises on where they live based on their priorities all the time, moving to the burbs for the schools, closer to a job for a shorter commute, closer to elderly family members or grandkids, etc. If picking up the phone to call a senator was your top priority, you maybe should have compromised on a different location. In your case, statistically, I suspect you are a D, and your senators would be Ds, so doubt you would actually be picking up the phone and doing much calling. Plus, they don't really care anyway; they virtually all vote party line except the couple who have a lot of Rs back home to answer to.

I am not the PP you are quoting but I am the PP you are responding to. I was born and raised in DC and although I am a registered dem (because otherwise you get no vote in the primary) I lean right and would absolutely vote for an R senator if that person better represented my views. When I lived in another state for grad school I voted for an R senator who took the place of a D senator.

The “you can choose where to live” line is a super lazy argument. The fact that I could move out of DC doesn’t mean I should have to in order to have a say in how my tax dollars are spent. People who voted for Trump in the last election could choose to leave the US if they don’t like the president but that doesn’t mean they aren’t allowed to express their displeasure for Biden or vote against him.

PP made such a dumb, and frankly, un-American argument with "you chose to live here." If you had said that in Boston in December 1773 you would have been thrown into the bay along with the Tea.
Please, get on the right side of history. If you really want to deny people representation that badly then at least waive all federal taxes for DC residents.

You have representation. Stop whining.

VOTING representation in the House and the Senate. Stop dodging.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:No - - we already suffer enough under the sword of those we cannot elect.

Yep. DC is, truly, the last plantation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m super liberal but if offered a tax haven status I’d give up Home Rule in a second. Would hope clean streets and corruptless government would be part of the package.

Taxation without representation.
This is what the original Boston Tea Party was all about.

Pick one. Either give us representation or waive federal taxes for us.

Sorta? I mean there was no taxation because the labor was free. So, representation for free labor?

Really, the federal district ideally should have only a handful of residents, and be reduced in area to encompass the buildings around that National Mall. The rest should return to MD.

That’s the idea except for the last part. DC doesn’t want to join Maryland and Maryland doesn’t want it, so it’s not a solution.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’m super liberal but if offered a tax haven status I’d give up Home Rule in a second. Would hope clean streets and corruptless government would be part of the package.

Taxation without representation.
This is what the original Boston Tea Party was all about.

Pick one. Either give us representation or waive federal taxes for us.

Sorta? I mean there was no taxation because the labor was free. So, representation for free labor?

Really, the federal district ideally should have only a handful of residents, and be reduced in area to encompass the buildings around that National Mall. The rest should return to MD.

That’s the idea except for the last part. DC doesn’t want to join Maryland and Maryland doesn’t want it, so it’s not a solution.

It very much is a solution. If that’s what it would take for the states to give the people in DC representation, then that’s what it will take. The people there either want representation, or they don’t.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Nobody is forced to live in D.C. You made a choice to live in the District. If you want to live in a state with Congressional voting representation, move a few miles in any direction to Maryland or Virginia. No one will stop you.

All Americans -- whether they have Congressional representation or not and regardless of which state in which they live -- should support DC statehood if they believe in no taxation without representation. You either support that fundamental American value or you don't.

There are alternatives to DC statehood that allow for representation, such as DC becoming part of Maryland.

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There are alternatives to DC statehood that allow for representation, such as DC becoming part of Maryland.

BS. The federal government cared enough to design DC the way it is and carve it out of MD and VA. DC also previously had congressional representation so there's historical precedent there. Retrocession is BS and immoral. Let's take your jurisdiction and tell you to be absorbed by another.

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Typically as you have more gentrification, more white elected officials and better governance. But the dc council whites have such little respect for themselves, they are just fine with black crime- they think their constituents deserve to be attacked by blacks and have their property stolen bc of equity and systemic racism. So I would say yes, end home rule. These cowardly whites have so little self respect, they can’t protect themselves or the citizens.

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DC isn’t capable of electing competent leaders. I think it should lose all control of its affairs.