How would you rank these colleges?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This website has lists of the undergraduate schools attended for people in 12 fields. Look at them and then tell us you think HR cares about the school attended more than the individual's qualifications.....

https://lesshighschoolstress.com/law/

While you're at it, on the same site a study by the Chronicle of Higher Ed is quoted that shows employers surveyed about what factors matter when hiring new graduates placed college prestige dead last.

https://lesshighschoolstress.com/page/5/

Yea right, good luck proving your individual qualifications attending a mediocre shool majoring in pcychology LOL

I work for a big DC company most would recognize and regularly hire interns and new grads. Sometimes psychology majors. Any of the schools on this list would be perfectly acceptable and schools that rank lower would be fine too. I want to know what you DID at school -- did you get involved in research, run a big project start to finish, what kind of internships did you have, did you do some low level customer service work, did you take classes with projects that relate to our work. Seriously, the actual name on the diploma means so, so little to the whole package. My best-ever hire was from the University of South Dakota. I've had crappy interns from Penn and Tufts. Great ones from a variety of schools including highly ranked ones. I have no idea what U of SD is ranked but just looked it up and it has a 91% acceptance rate and a 54% graduation rate but still has some great students. If anything, I'm more cautious interviewing the Ivy grads, screening for entitlement attitude since I've had a bad hire in my past who thought she was above the grunt work tasks any entry level person (and higher level people!) have to do.

I realize there are certain fields where the brand name of the school matters -- IB, management consulting, being the main ones. But the vast majority of jobs IME it just doesn't matter as much as people applying to college think it does.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This website has lists of the undergraduate schools attended for people in 12 fields. Look at them and then tell us you think HR cares about the school attended more than the individual's qualifications.....

https://lesshighschoolstress.com/law/

While you're at it, on the same site a study by the Chronicle of Higher Ed is quoted that shows employers surveyed about what factors matter when hiring new graduates placed college prestige dead last.

https://lesshighschoolstress.com/page/5/

Yea right, good luck proving your individual qualifications attending a mediocre shool majoring in pcychology LOL

I work for a big DC company most would recognize and regularly hire interns and new grads. Sometimes psychology majors. Any of the schools on this list would be perfectly acceptable and schools that rank lower would be fine too. I want to know what you DID at school -- did you get involved in research, run a big project start to finish, what kind of internships did you have, did you do some low level customer service work, did you take classes with projects that relate to our work. Seriously, the actual name on the diploma means so, so little to the whole package. My best-ever hire was from the University of South Dakota. I've had crappy interns from Penn and Tufts. Great ones from a variety of schools including highly ranked ones. I have no idea what U of SD is ranked but just looked it up and it has a 91% acceptance rate and a 54% graduation rate but still has some great students. If anything, I'm more cautious interviewing the Ivy grads, screening for entitlement attitude since I've had a bad hire in my past who thought she was above the grunt work tasks any entry level person (and higher level people!) have to do.

I realize there are certain fields where the brand name of the school matters -- IB, management consulting, being the main ones. But the vast majority of jobs IME it just doesn't matter as much as people applying to college think it does.

Yes IB, Consulting because they pay real money to recruit the best.
Mediocre companies paying starting salaries $35K - $45K will get the leftovers.
(IT is kind of exception because the demand is so high)

So what's your company and what do you pay the new grads?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This website has lists of the undergraduate schools attended for people in 12 fields. Look at them and then tell us you think HR cares about the school attended more than the individual's qualifications.....

https://lesshighschoolstress.com/law/

While you're at it, on the same site a study by the Chronicle of Higher Ed is quoted that shows employers surveyed about what factors matter when hiring new graduates placed college prestige dead last.

https://lesshighschoolstress.com/page/5/

Law firms particularly (other than, maybe, small ones where going to the same college as the partners could help) and other legal employers could care less where you got your undergrad degree. But, I promise you they care about the name of your JD. Many firms won't even hire outside the top tier (or only in very special circumstances). So the first set is 100% useless. Show me the same data about Skadden but this time with the law school rather than undergrad.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This website has lists of the undergraduate schools attended for people in 12 fields. Look at them and then tell us you think HR cares about the school attended more than the individual's qualifications.....

https://lesshighschoolstress.com/law/

While you're at it, on the same site a study by the Chronicle of Higher Ed is quoted that shows employers surveyed about what factors matter when hiring new graduates placed college prestige dead last.

https://lesshighschoolstress.com/page/5/

Yea right, good luck proving your individual qualifications attending a mediocre shool majoring in pcychology LOL

I work for a big DC company most would recognize and regularly hire interns and new grads. Sometimes psychology majors. Any of the schools on this list would be perfectly acceptable and schools that rank lower would be fine too. I want to know what you DID at school -- did you get involved in research, run a big project start to finish, what kind of internships did you have, did you do some low level customer service work, did you take classes with projects that relate to our work. Seriously, the actual name on the diploma means so, so little to the whole package. My best-ever hire was from the University of South Dakota. I've had crappy interns from Penn and Tufts. Great ones from a variety of schools including highly ranked ones. I have no idea what U of SD is ranked but just looked it up and it has a 91% acceptance rate and a 54% graduation rate but still has some great students. If anything, I'm more cautious interviewing the Ivy grads, screening for entitlement attitude since I've had a bad hire in my past who thought she was above the grunt work tasks any entry level person (and higher level people!) have to do.

I realize there are certain fields where the brand name of the school matters -- IB, management consulting, being the main ones. But the vast majority of jobs IME it just doesn't matter as much as people applying to college think it does.

Yes IB, Consulting because they pay real money to recruit the best.
Mediocre companies paying starting salaries $35K - $45K will get the leftovers.
(IT is kind of exception because the demand is so high)

So what's your company and what do you pay the new grads?

Not sharing the company name but we pay about $70k for new grads (not IT)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This website has lists of the undergraduate schools attended for people in 12 fields. Look at them and then tell us you think HR cares about the school attended more than the individual's qualifications.....

https://lesshighschoolstress.com/law/

While you're at it, on the same site a study by the Chronicle of Higher Ed is quoted that shows employers surveyed about what factors matter when hiring new graduates placed college prestige dead last.

https://lesshighschoolstress.com/page/5/

Law firms particularly (other than, maybe, small ones where going to the same college as the partners could help) and other legal employers could care less where you got your undergrad degree. But, I promise you they care about the name of your JD. Many firms won't even hire outside the top tier (or only in very special circumstances). So the first set is 100% useless. Show me the same data about Skadden but this time with the law school rather than undergrad.

I think the point of showing the Skadden list was exactly what you're saying: law firms don't care where you get your undergrad degree, so what's the point in ranking undergraduate programs as OP requested and so many are happy to oblige?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This website has lists of the undergraduate schools attended for people in 12 fields. Look at them and then tell us you think HR cares about the school attended more than the individual's qualifications.....

https://lesshighschoolstress.com/law/

While you're at it, on the same site a study by the Chronicle of Higher Ed is quoted that shows employers surveyed about what factors matter when hiring new graduates placed college prestige dead last.

https://lesshighschoolstress.com/page/5/

Yea right, good luck proving your individual qualifications attending a mediocre shool majoring in pcychology LOL

I work for a big DC company most would recognize and regularly hire interns and new grads. Sometimes psychology majors. Any of the schools on this list would be perfectly acceptable and schools that rank lower would be fine too. I want to know what you DID at school -- did you get involved in research, run a big project start to finish, what kind of internships did you have, did you do some low level customer service work, did you take classes with projects that relate to our work. Seriously, the actual name on the diploma means so, so little to the whole package. My best-ever hire was from the University of South Dakota. I've had crappy interns from Penn and Tufts. Great ones from a variety of schools including highly ranked ones. I have no idea what U of SD is ranked but just looked it up and it has a 91% acceptance rate and a 54% graduation rate but still has some great students. If anything, I'm more cautious interviewing the Ivy grads, screening for entitlement attitude since I've had a bad hire in my past who thought she was above the grunt work tasks any entry level person (and higher level people!) have to do.

I realize there are certain fields where the brand name of the school matters -- IB, management consulting, being the main ones. But the vast majority of jobs IME it just doesn't matter as much as people applying to college think it does.

Yes IB, Consulting because they pay real money to recruit the best.
Mediocre companies paying starting salaries $35K - $45K will get the leftovers.
(IT is kind of exception because the demand is so high)

So what's your company and what do you pay the new grads?

Not sharing the company name but we pay about $70k for new grads (not IT)

Sounds like a great deal.
You can get $70K starting with a psychology degree from a mediocre college.
I wish I knew what company that is, but it seems like it's a rare secret sauce.

People are here to get some useful information.
Not getting any from your post. Moving on.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This website has lists of the undergraduate schools attended for people in 12 fields. Look at them and then tell us you think HR cares about the school attended more than the individual's qualifications.....

https://lesshighschoolstress.com/law/

While you're at it, on the same site a study by the Chronicle of Higher Ed is quoted that shows employers surveyed about what factors matter when hiring new graduates placed college prestige dead last.

https://lesshighschoolstress.com/page/5/

Law firms particularly (other than, maybe, small ones where going to the same college as the partners could help) and other legal employers could care less where you got your undergrad degree. But, I promise you they care about the name of your JD. Many firms won't even hire outside the top tier (or only in very special circumstances). So the first set is 100% useless. Show me the same data about Skadden but this time with the law school rather than undergrad.

I think the point of showing the Skadden list was exactly what you're saying: law firms don't care where you get your undergrad degree, so what's the point in ranking undergraduate programs as OP requested and so many are happy to oblige?

Skadden is a bad example. it was started by outsiders who could not get jobs at white-shoe firms and always was less picky than many other firms. Skadden does not focus on pedigree but many other top firms do.
Skadden is to law firm like tech is to wall street. Just because tech big wigs wear hoodies (which they don't anymore) doesn't mean you can wear a hoodie to your Ibanking job. You point is well taken but your example sucks.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s completely dependent on what they majored in, their work experience, and how they did in college. All are good schools.

Agree with this.

Yeah, this is a very dumb post. These are all great schools. What is the OP trying to prove?

OP here and I'm not trying to prove anything. A bunch of these schools are on our radar and I wanted to gauge people's perceptions of the various institutions, then weigh the cost value of the different price ranges of the various tuition rates.

I was also attempting to get a feel for the perception of private vs. public.

There are a fair amount of factors in deciding upon the right school for every given student. Perception and value would be two of those factors.

For the record, this thread has taken turns that I never dreamed it would, but then again, it is DCUM, so assail away! Thanks to those who put out some useful comments on here. It helps in the decision making process.

[Anonymous]

I am not in HR but am involved with hirings at our company (legal/corporate). I’d review a resume from any of these colleges but my ranked list would be:

Berkeley
ND
UVA
BC/BU/Colby/Colgate
Villanova/Tulane
Fordham

* UMD really depends on the major but probably tied with Villanova/Tulane.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This website has lists of the undergraduate schools attended for people in 12 fields. Look at them and then tell us you think HR cares about the school attended more than the individual's qualifications.....

https://lesshighschoolstress.com/law/

While you're at it, on the same site a study by the Chronicle of Higher Ed is quoted that shows employers surveyed about what factors matter when hiring new graduates placed college prestige dead last.

https://lesshighschoolstress.com/page/5/

Law firms particularly (other than, maybe, small ones where going to the same college as the partners could help) and other legal employers could care less where you got your undergrad degree. But, I promise you they care about the name of your JD. Many firms won't even hire outside the top tier (or only in very special circumstances). So the first set is 100% useless. Show me the same data about Skadden but this time with the law school rather than undergrad.

I think the point of showing the Skadden list was exactly what you're saying: law firms don't care where you get your undergrad degree, so what's the point in ranking undergraduate programs as OP requested and so many are happy to oblige?

Skadden is a bad example. it was started by outsiders who could not get jobs at white-shoe firms and always was less picky than many other firms. Skadden does not focus on pedigree but many other top firms do.
Skadden is to law firm like tech is to wall street. Just because tech big wigs wear hoodies (which they don't anymore) doesn't mean you can wear a hoodie to your Ibanking job. You point is well taken but your example sucks.

Name a few of those law firms that care about the undergraduate school attended.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This website has lists of the undergraduate schools attended for people in 12 fields. Look at them and then tell us you think HR cares about the school attended more than the individual's qualifications.....

https://lesshighschoolstress.com/law/

While you're at it, on the same site a study by the Chronicle of Higher Ed is quoted that shows employers surveyed about what factors matter when hiring new graduates placed college prestige dead last.

https://lesshighschoolstress.com/page/5/

Law firms particularly (other than, maybe, small ones where going to the same college as the partners could help) and other legal employers could care less where you got your undergrad degree. But, I promise you they care about the name of your JD. Many firms won't even hire outside the top tier (or only in very special circumstances). So the first set is 100% useless. Show me the same data about Skadden but this time with the law school rather than undergrad.

I think the point of showing the Skadden list was exactly what you're saying: law firms don't care where you get your undergrad degree, so what's the point in ranking undergraduate programs as OP requested and so many are happy to oblige?

Because, for many people, college is their terminal degree.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This website has lists of the undergraduate schools attended for people in 12 fields. Look at them and then tell us you think HR cares about the school attended more than the individual's qualifications.....

https://lesshighschoolstress.com/law/

While you're at it, on the same site a study by the Chronicle of Higher Ed is quoted that shows employers surveyed about what factors matter when hiring new graduates placed college prestige dead last.

https://lesshighschoolstress.com/page/5/

Law firms particularly (other than, maybe, small ones where going to the same college as the partners could help) and other legal employers could care less where you got your undergrad degree. But, I promise you they care about the name of your JD. Many firms won't even hire outside the top tier (or only in very special circumstances). So the first set is 100% useless. Show me the same data about Skadden but this time with the law school rather than undergrad.

I think the point of showing the Skadden list was exactly what you're saying: law firms don't care where you get your undergrad degree, so what's the point in ranking undergraduate programs as OP requested and so many are happy to oblige?

Skadden is a bad example. it was started by outsiders who could not get jobs at white-shoe firms and always was less picky than many other firms. Skadden does not focus on pedigree but many other top firms do.
Skadden is to law firm like tech is to wall street. Just because tech big wigs wear hoodies (which they don't anymore) doesn't mean you can wear a hoodie to your Ibanking job. You point is well taken but your example sucks.

Name a few of those law firms that care about the undergraduate school attended.

McKenzie, Brackman, Chaney and Kuzak.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This website has lists of the undergraduate schools attended for people in 12 fields. Look at them and then tell us you think HR cares about the school attended more than the individual's qualifications.....

https://lesshighschoolstress.com/law/

While you're at it, on the same site a study by the Chronicle of Higher Ed is quoted that shows employers surveyed about what factors matter when hiring new graduates placed college prestige dead last.

https://lesshighschoolstress.com/page/5/

Yea right, good luck proving your individual qualifications attending a mediocre shool majoring in pcychology LOL

I work for a big DC company most would recognize and regularly hire interns and new grads. Sometimes psychology majors. Any of the schools on this list would be perfectly acceptable and schools that rank lower would be fine too. I want to know what you DID at school -- did you get involved in research, run a big project start to finish, what kind of internships did you have, did you do some low level customer service work, did you take classes with projects that relate to our work. Seriously, the actual name on the diploma means so, so little to the whole package. My best-ever hire was from the University of South Dakota. I've had crappy interns from Penn and Tufts. Great ones from a variety of schools including highly ranked ones. I have no idea what U of SD is ranked but just looked it up and it has a 91% acceptance rate and a 54% graduation rate but still has some great students. If anything, I'm more cautious interviewing the Ivy grads, screening for entitlement attitude since I've had a bad hire in my past who thought she was above the grunt work tasks any entry level person (and higher level people!) have to do.

I realize there are certain fields where the brand name of the school matters -- IB, management consulting, being the main ones. But the vast majority of jobs IME it just doesn't matter as much as people applying to college think it does.

Yes IB, Consulting because they pay real money to recruit the best.
Mediocre companies paying starting salaries $35K - $45K will get the leftovers.
(IT is kind of exception because the demand is so high)

So what's your company and what do you pay the new grads?

Not sharing the company name but we pay about $70k for new grads (not IT)

Sounds like a great deal.
You can get $70K starting with a psychology degree from a mediocre college.
I wish I knew what company that is, but it seems like it's a rare secret sauce.

People are here to get some useful information.
Not getting any from your post. Moving on.

Most people don't want to go into IB or consulting. PP is one of the few sane posters on this thread.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This website has lists of the undergraduate schools attended for people in 12 fields. Look at them and then tell us you think HR cares about the school attended more than the individual's qualifications.....

https://lesshighschoolstress.com/law/

While you're at it, on the same site a study by the Chronicle of Higher Ed is quoted that shows employers surveyed about what factors matter when hiring new graduates placed college prestige dead last.

https://lesshighschoolstress.com/page/5/

Law firms particularly (other than, maybe, small ones where going to the same college as the partners could help) and other legal employers could care less where you got your undergrad degree. But, I promise you they care about the name of your JD. Many firms won't even hire outside the top tier (or only in very special circumstances). So the first set is 100% useless. Show me the same data about Skadden but this time with the law school rather than undergrad.

I think the point of showing the Skadden list was exactly what you're saying: law firms don't care where you get your undergrad degree, so what's the point in ranking undergraduate programs as OP requested and so many are happy to oblige?

Skadden is a bad example. it was started by outsiders who could not get jobs at white-shoe firms and always was less picky than many other firms. Skadden does not focus on pedigree but many other top firms do.
Skadden is to law firm like tech is to wall street. Just because tech big wigs wear hoodies (which they don't anymore) doesn't mean you can wear a hoodie to your Ibanking job. You point is well taken but your example sucks.

Name a few of those law firms that care about the undergraduate school attended.

McKenzie, Brackman, Chaney and Kuzak.

Never heard of it. Don't care.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This website has lists of the undergraduate schools attended for people in 12 fields. Look at them and then tell us you think HR cares about the school attended more than the individual's qualifications.....

https://lesshighschoolstress.com/law/

While you're at it, on the same site a study by the Chronicle of Higher Ed is quoted that shows employers surveyed about what factors matter when hiring new graduates placed college prestige dead last.

https://lesshighschoolstress.com/page/5/

Law firms particularly (other than, maybe, small ones where going to the same college as the partners could help) and other legal employers could care less where you got your undergrad degree. But, I promise you they care about the name of your JD. Many firms won't even hire outside the top tier (or only in very special circumstances). So the first set is 100% useless. Show me the same data about Skadden but this time with the law school rather than undergrad.

I think the point of showing the Skadden list was exactly what you're saying: law firms don't care where you get your undergrad degree, so what's the point in ranking undergraduate programs as OP requested and so many are happy to oblige?

Skadden is a bad example. it was started by outsiders who could not get jobs at white-shoe firms and always was less picky than many other firms. Skadden does not focus on pedigree but many other top firms do.
Skadden is to law firm like tech is to wall street. Just because tech big wigs wear hoodies (which they don't anymore) doesn't mean you can wear a hoodie to your Ibanking job. You point is well taken but your example sucks.

Name a few of those law firms that care about the undergraduate school attended.

McKenzie, Brackman, Chaney and Kuzak.

Never heard of it. Don't care.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L.A._Law