Karl Frisch and the Stupidity of Dunn Loring ES

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:While other School Board members have embarrassed themselves deeply over the past two years, Karl Frisch may take the cake.

Frisch is responsible for the redirecting of $36 million in taxpayer funds that had been earmarked for the construction of a new elementary school in the Fairfax/Oakton area to the repurposing of the Dunn Loring Administrative Center as a new elementary school.

The stated rationale is to relieve future overcrowding in the "Dunn Loring/Tysons/Falls Church" area, as if these are not distinct area. For FCPS watchers, however, it is well known that the real reason was to make sure the $36 million was not spent to build a new school in the Blake Lane park area, home to a prized dog park for Frisch and some of his childless friends in the Providence District.

So what's in store:

(1) FCPS will dawdle and is expected to open the new Dunn Loring in the fall of 2026.

(2) By 2024, however, almost every nearby elementary school near Dunn Loring is expected to be below capacity - Stenwood at 92%, Shrevewood at 92%, Lemon Road at 69%, Vienna at 69%, Cunningham Park at 67%, and Freedom Hill at 67%.

(3) Given Dunn Loring's location, major boundary changes will be needed to provide a critical mass of students. Most Dunn Loring students will come from Stenwood or Freedom Hill, but some Shrevewood students will then likely move to Stenwood, and student at other schools, perhaps Westbriar (projected to be at 85% capacity in 2024) will need to move to Freedom Hill to avoid gutting Freedom Hill.

(4) None of this will provide immediate relief to Shrevewood, which prior to Covid had been overcrowded for years. Had prompt relief to Shrevewood's overcrowding, rather than saving the Blake Lane dog park, been the goal, a simple boundary change moving some Shrevewood kids to Stenwood and some Stenwood kids to Freedom could have been implemented starting this fall.

(5) Nor will Dunn Loring help with future growth in Tysons, if as expected more housing is built in central Tysons, as Dunn Loring is not especially close to the parts of Tysons slated for the most housing growth. A new elementary school in the southern part of the current Spring Hill ES attendance area would have made much more sense.

(6) And, if some of the schools in the Fairfax/Oakton area that are projected to be closer to full capacity actually see a higher-than-expected increase in enrollment, such as Waples Mill (projected to be at 99% by 2024), Oakton (89%), or Providence (87%), Frisch has nothing in the works for you, except possibly moving you to Mosaic ES, which already has about 900 kids and is itself about to undergo a renovation.

What colossal stupidity, and it was only possible because a 12-0 Democratic School Board blindly went along with Frisch's nonsense. These people have zero common sense and think they can get away with anything because so many people just vote for Democratic-endorsed candidates in School Board elections. But this crowd really is taking us all for a ride.

I cannot possibly vote for Frisch, knowing all this about him. Plus,

- he does not have a child in FCPS.
- he does not have children at all, so why is he on a board directing our children’s schools?
- he did not even have a college degree.

I am not voting for this person.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:While other School Board members have embarrassed themselves deeply over the past two years, Karl Frisch may take the cake.

Frisch is responsible for the redirecting of $36 million in taxpayer funds that had been earmarked for the construction of a new elementary school in the Fairfax/Oakton area to the repurposing of the Dunn Loring Administrative Center as a new elementary school.

The stated rationale is to relieve future overcrowding in the "Dunn Loring/Tysons/Falls Church" area, as if these are not distinct area. For FCPS watchers, however, it is well known that the real reason was to make sure the $36 million was not spent to build a new school in the Blake Lane park area, home to a prized dog park for Frisch and some of his childless friends in the Providence District.

So what's in store:

(1) FCPS will dawdle and is expected to open the new Dunn Loring in the fall of 2026.

(2) By 2024, however, almost every nearby elementary school near Dunn Loring is expected to be below capacity - Stenwood at 92%, Shrevewood at 92%, Lemon Road at 69%, Vienna at 69%, Cunningham Park at 67%, and Freedom Hill at 67%.

(3) Given Dunn Loring's location, major boundary changes will be needed to provide a critical mass of students. Most Dunn Loring students will come from Stenwood or Freedom Hill, but some Shrevewood students will then likely move to Stenwood, and student at other schools, perhaps Westbriar (projected to be at 85% capacity in 2024) will need to move to Freedom Hill to avoid gutting Freedom Hill.

(4) None of this will provide immediate relief to Shrevewood, which prior to Covid had been overcrowded for years. Had prompt relief to Shrevewood's overcrowding, rather than saving the Blake Lane dog park, been the goal, a simple boundary change moving some Shrevewood kids to Stenwood and some Stenwood kids to Freedom could have been implemented starting this fall.

(5) Nor will Dunn Loring help with future growth in Tysons, if as expected more housing is built in central Tysons, as Dunn Loring is not especially close to the parts of Tysons slated for the most housing growth. A new elementary school in the southern part of the current Spring Hill ES attendance area would have made much more sense.

(6) And, if some of the schools in the Fairfax/Oakton area that are projected to be closer to full capacity actually see a higher-than-expected increase in enrollment, such as Waples Mill (projected to be at 99% by 2024), Oakton (89%), or Providence (87%), Frisch has nothing in the works for you, except possibly moving you to Mosaic ES, which already has about 900 kids and is itself about to undergo a renovation.

What colossal stupidity, and it was only possible because a 12-0 Democratic School Board blindly went along with Frisch's nonsense. These people have zero common sense and think they can get away with anything because so many people just vote for Democratic-endorsed candidates in School Board elections. But this crowd really is taking us all for a ride.

I cannot possibly vote for Frisch, knowing all this about him. Plus,

- he does not have a child in FCPS.
- he does not have children at all, so why is he on a board directing our children’s schools?
- he did not even have a college degree.

I am not voting for this person.

He thinks he’s a deal-maker but he’s a dunce whose only value to the local Democrats is that he pulls a lot of money from rich gay donors that can then be spread around to other local candidates who’ll support their plank. You don’t need hundreds of thousands of dollars to run for a School Board seat against someone with a $10K budget.

[Anonymous]

Republicans gunning hard for Karl Frisch's seat and if Providence was *just* Shrevewood/Stenwood families, then they might win it, but nobody else cares about the Dunn Loring issue, unfortunately.

[Anonymous]

Karl, how do you know?

Anonymous wrote:Republicans gunning hard for Karl Frisch's seat and if Providence was *just* Shrevewood/Stenwood families, then they might win it, but nobody else cares about the Dunn Loring issue, unfortunately.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Republicans gunning hard for Karl Frisch's seat and if Providence was *just* Shrevewood/Stenwood families, then they might win it, but nobody else cares about the Dunn Loring issue, unfortunately.

Frisch may not have a strong, well-financed opponent but it’s not just some Shrevewood/Stenwood families who think he’s a dunce.

Freedom Hill is also going to see its boundaries largely upended in a few years thanks to Frisch.

He’s stripped away the money that had been ear-marked for a new elementary school in Fairfax/Oakton, and they won’t have that chance again for decades.

He’s got a lot of constituents in Tysons and Falls Church zoned for McLean, and he’s done nothing to get it money for an addition or renovation.

Others in the district may not care much about the Dunn Loring fiasco or the McLean overcrowding, but find his priorities misguided.

He may win based on voters who automatically vote for D candidates without doing much research, but it’s not like he commands respect or has made good decisions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Republicans gunning hard for Karl Frisch's seat and if Providence was *just* Shrevewood/Stenwood families, then they might win it, but nobody else cares about the Dunn Loring issue, unfortunately.

Lol. Have you been to Falls Church recently? Tons of signs for him in the Shrevewood attendance zone. He will easily win the Shreve and Marshall precincts.

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Anonymous wrote:I know OP is a republican troll trying to rile up people in the Providence district to vote for a republican, and it's not working. What's going to happen is more people just flat out won't vote and the rest will vote for Karl. But your Republican candidate doesn't stand a chance. Sorrynotsorry. I don't want book banners/body policers governing our school system.

People have specific criticisms of what incredibly poor decisions Frisch has not only made, but championed, and all you can do is come back with a bunch of BS about “book banning.”

If Frisch gets elected to the SB he’ll keep looking for another opportunity to run for higher office, just like he did in 2022 when he got trounced by Holly Seibold. Of course, he may get elected to the SB again because most people pay so little attention and vote a party line but maybe, just maybe, the next board will pay more attention and question his schemes. Because he is an idiot, and his boondoggle at Dunn Loring never came close to passing the smell test.

Thank you for taking the bait and confirming that you are, in fact, a republican shill.

Thanks for confirming that bait is all you’ll ever have to offer. It doesn’t make Frisch look any less unqualified.

Lady, you are being stupid on purpose. I'm not in support of Frisch, I don't like him. But I would rather not mark anyone down than mark down the Republican candidate.

NP. You are the one who sounds stupid voting again for someone who screwed your district over already.

Stupid one is the one who can't read. I said I wouldn't vote for anyone, dipshit. Not voting for your a-hole candidate. If there were primaries for school board, I'd vote for another democrat, but school board is not political, LOL

Are you from this area?

You had a chance to vote for someone besides Frisch a few months ago in the open endorsement.

Yes. Lived her 15 years. Did you just move here a couple months back?

I voted in the endorsement caucus. Nobody ran against Frisch.

DP. Fortunately he does have an opponent in the general election. Frisch has been an unmitigated disaster on the School Board. Voting for him again is something only an ignorant voter or a party hack could do.

His opponent is an idiot. Read his patch questionnaire. His answers make no sense and are full are careless errors. Look at his Twitter. He didn’t even fill out the Post questionnaire.

[Anonymous]

Definitely seems like Dunn-Loring should be revisited in light of the COVID enrollment drops... but latest CIP shows Mosaic and Oakton also not over capacity and projected to be at sub-95% capacity in 5 years, so not sure why people are demanding relief there instead?

Also the claimed numbers for several Tysons area ES projected at sub-70% capacity, where are those from? Have you looked at the CIP (https://www.fcps.edu/sites/default/files/media/pdf/Adopted-CIP-2024-28.pdf)? Most are projected in the 80s and 90s... only Freedom Hill notably lower at 71%. You also left out over-capacity Pine Spring... which could see relief (Merrifield area west of 495 makes sense at Stenwood, easy access via Gallows, and Stenwood will have the capacity available by ceding area to Dunn-Loring.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Definitely seems like Dunn-Loring should be revisited in light of the COVID enrollment drops... but latest CIP shows Mosaic and Oakton also not over capacity and projected to be at sub-95% capacity in 5 years, so not sure why people are demanding relief there instead?

Also the claimed numbers for several Tysons area ES projected at sub-70% capacity, where are those from? Have you looked at the CIP (https://www.fcps.edu/sites/default/files/media/pdf/Adopted-CIP-2024-28.pdf)? Most are projected in the 80s and 90s... only Freedom Hill notably lower at 71%. You also left out over-capacity Pine Spring... which could see relief (Merrifield area west of 495 makes sense at Stenwood, easy access via Gallows, and Stenwood will have the capacity available by ceding area to Dunn-Loring.

Nice try, Karl.

Freedom Hill and Vienna are both near the Dunn Loring site and projected to be under 80% capacity. And since when do we build new schools when the nearby schools are all under-enrolled? The only “problem” being solved by Frisch’s Folly is making sure another school doesn’t get built elsewhere.

Pine Spring is projected to be at, not above, capacity in a few years and, if there were a need to address overcrowding there, it could easily be done by moving kids to other ES in the same (Falls Church) pyramid, and not by creating a new split feeder to Marshall and Falls Church.

If Frisch wins again, it won’t be on the merits. It will be because people are uninformed or are overwhelmed by the number of yard signs someone with a big budget can stick in medians all over Providence. He’s still an idiot.

[Anonymous]

I don’t care if he gets re-elected. He’s still a jerk looking for another job who only started to pay any attention to his district after he decided to run again.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Definitely seems like Dunn-Loring should be revisited in light of the COVID enrollment drops... but latest CIP shows Mosaic and Oakton also not over capacity and projected to be at sub-95% capacity in 5 years, so not sure why people are demanding relief there instead?

Also the claimed numbers for several Tysons area ES projected at sub-70% capacity, where are those from? Have you looked at the CIP (https://www.fcps.edu/sites/default/files/media/pdf/Adopted-CIP-2024-28.pdf)? Most are projected in the 80s and 90s... only Freedom Hill notably lower at 71%. You also left out over-capacity Pine Spring... which could see relief (Merrifield area west of 495 makes sense at Stenwood, easy access via Gallows, and Stenwood will have the capacity available by ceding area to Dunn-Loring.

Nice try, Karl.

Freedom Hill and Vienna are both near the Dunn Loring site and projected to be under 80% capacity. And since when do we build new schools when the nearby schools are all under-enrolled? The only “problem” being solved by Frisch’s Folly is making sure another school doesn’t get built elsewhere.

Pine Spring is projected to be at, not above, capacity in a few years and, if there were a need to address overcrowding there, it could easily be done by moving kids to other ES in the same (Falls Church) pyramid, and not by creating a new split feeder to Marshall and Falls Church.

If Frisch wins again, it won’t be on the merits. It will be because people are uninformed or are overwhelmed by the number of yard signs someone with a big budget can stick in medians all over Providence. He’s still an idiot.

As noted, I agree Dunn-Loring should be revisited... unless there's a lot of Tysons growth in the 10-15 year timeframe we aren't seeing in the 5-year projections. My point was more that Mosaic or Oakton aren't any more needy of a new school in that area... they're likewise not projected to be over capacity, and they likewise have a projected sub-80% school nearby (Marshall Road). It's a very similar situation.

The HS level is where we need to be focusing our expansion $$$... Centreville, Chantilly, McLean, West Springfield, Woodson, and Edison all projected at 106%+, and in several cases that's with modulars already on-site and accounted for. Maybe they could do some selective redistricting in parts to help balance, but there's certainly a much stronger case for focusing on increasing capacity at the HS level than there is at the ES level.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Definitely seems like Dunn-Loring should be revisited in light of the COVID enrollment drops... but latest CIP shows Mosaic and Oakton also not over capacity and projected to be at sub-95% capacity in 5 years, so not sure why people are demanding relief there instead?

Also the claimed numbers for several Tysons area ES projected at sub-70% capacity, where are those from? Have you looked at the CIP (https://www.fcps.edu/sites/default/files/media/pdf/Adopted-CIP-2024-28.pdf)? Most are projected in the 80s and 90s... only Freedom Hill notably lower at 71%. You also left out over-capacity Pine Spring... which could see relief (Merrifield area west of 495 makes sense at Stenwood, easy access via Gallows, and Stenwood will have the capacity available by ceding area to Dunn-Loring.

Nice try, Karl.

Freedom Hill and Vienna are both near the Dunn Loring site and projected to be under 80% capacity. And since when do we build new schools when the nearby schools are all under-enrolled? The only “problem” being solved by Frisch’s Folly is making sure another school doesn’t get built elsewhere.

Pine Spring is projected to be at, not above, capacity in a few years and, if there were a need to address overcrowding there, it could easily be done by moving kids to other ES in the same (Falls Church) pyramid, and not by creating a new split feeder to Marshall and Falls Church.

If Frisch wins again, it won’t be on the merits. It will be because people are uninformed or are overwhelmed by the number of yard signs someone with a big budget can stick in medians all over Providence. He’s still an idiot.

I haven’t seen a single yard sign in a median. They are all in yards!

Meanwhile I can’t say the same about Sabio. I haven’t seen a single one of his yard signs in an actual yard, they are all in medians (where they are placed illegally!)

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Definitely seems like Dunn-Loring should be revisited in light of the COVID enrollment drops... but latest CIP shows Mosaic and Oakton also not over capacity and projected to be at sub-95% capacity in 5 years, so not sure why people are demanding relief there instead?

Also the claimed numbers for several Tysons area ES projected at sub-70% capacity, where are those from? Have you looked at the CIP (https://www.fcps.edu/sites/default/files/media/pdf/Adopted-CIP-2024-28.pdf)? Most are projected in the 80s and 90s... only Freedom Hill notably lower at 71%. You also left out over-capacity Pine Spring... which could see relief (Merrifield area west of 495 makes sense at Stenwood, easy access via Gallows, and Stenwood will have the capacity available by ceding area to Dunn-Loring.

Nice try, Karl.

Freedom Hill and Vienna are both near the Dunn Loring site and projected to be under 80% capacity. And since when do we build new schools when the nearby schools are all under-enrolled? The only “problem” being solved by Frisch’s Folly is making sure another school doesn’t get built elsewhere.

Pine Spring is projected to be at, not above, capacity in a few years and, if there were a need to address overcrowding there, it could easily be done by moving kids to other ES in the same (Falls Church) pyramid, and not by creating a new split feeder to Marshall and Falls Church.

If Frisch wins again, it won’t be on the merits. It will be because people are uninformed or are overwhelmed by the number of yard signs someone with a big budget can stick in medians all over Providence. He’s still an idiot.

I haven’t seen a single yard sign in a median. They are all in yards!

Meanwhile I can’t say the same about Sabio. I haven’t seen a single one of his yard signs in an actual yard, they are all in medians (where they are placed illegally!)

This is accurate. I only seen them in common areas where nobody is quite sure whose they are. I thought my neighbor had put one up and he thought I had, but it was neither of us.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Definitely seems like Dunn-Loring should be revisited in light of the COVID enrollment drops... but latest CIP shows Mosaic and Oakton also not over capacity and projected to be at sub-95% capacity in 5 years, so not sure why people are demanding relief there instead?

Also the claimed numbers for several Tysons area ES projected at sub-70% capacity, where are those from? Have you looked at the CIP (https://www.fcps.edu/sites/default/files/media/pdf/Adopted-CIP-2024-28.pdf)? Most are projected in the 80s and 90s... only Freedom Hill notably lower at 71%. You also left out over-capacity Pine Spring... which could see relief (Merrifield area west of 495 makes sense at Stenwood, easy access via Gallows, and Stenwood will have the capacity available by ceding area to Dunn-Loring.

Nice try, Karl.

Freedom Hill and Vienna are both near the Dunn Loring site and projected to be under 80% capacity. And since when do we build new schools when the nearby schools are all under-enrolled? The only “problem” being solved by Frisch’s Folly is making sure another school doesn’t get built elsewhere.

Pine Spring is projected to be at, not above, capacity in a few years and, if there were a need to address overcrowding there, it could easily be done by moving kids to other ES in the same (Falls Church) pyramid, and not by creating a new split feeder to Marshall and Falls Church.

If Frisch wins again, it won’t be on the merits. It will be because people are uninformed or are overwhelmed by the number of yard signs someone with a big budget can stick in medians all over Providence. He’s still an idiot.

As noted, I agree Dunn-Loring should be revisited... unless there's a lot of Tysons growth in the 10-15 year timeframe we aren't seeing in the 5-year projections. My point was more that Mosaic or Oakton aren't any more needy of a new school in that area... they're likewise not projected to be over capacity, and they likewise have a projected sub-80% school nearby (Marshall Road). It's a very similar situation.

The HS level is where we need to be focusing our expansion $$$... Centreville, Chantilly, McLean, West Springfield, Woodson, and Edison all projected at 106%+, and in several cases that's with modulars already on-site and accounted for. Maybe they could do some selective redistricting in parts to help balance, but there's certainly a much stronger case for focusing on increasing capacity at the HS level than there is at the ES level.

It is a somewhat similar situation but the difference is that there are multiple very large ES Fairfax/Oakton area, and multiple small, under-enrolled ES near Dunn Loring. Agree that adding capacity to high schools should be a higher priority but it just underscores how unnecessary a new ES is at Frisch’s site. At least further west a case could have been made that a new school would make the size of the ES in the area more manageable.

[Anonymous]

Why should I vote for Sabio? What about him is so appealing? His twitter is crazy