Reinstate School Resource Officers at MCPS

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Over 2,800 people have already signed the petition. This alone should send a message to the County Council how out of touch they are.

O-M-G 2,800 people? In a county of over 1,000 000 people!
Yeah, that definitely sends a message to the CC. They're probably shit$#& in their pants right now.

It's not clear why this poster is so into paying SROs since they have never done much of anything. I mean the county seems to be doing just fine without them.

Given school violence is up and we got rid of SRO's that says they clearly did something.

We've had multiple incidents at the "good" schools so that doesn't raise any concern for you?

Incidents are up all over the country, including at schools with SROs.

Citation please.

https://www.usnews.com/education/k12/articles/as-students-return-to-school-so-does-school-violence

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Bring back SROs. Expel habitual offenders (yes, those ones who are to far gone to be "restored"). More CCTVs. More Metal Detectors.

Get a service that can do the surveillance of the digital footprints and social media rantings of all MCPS employees and students.

Also, criminal background check of all MCPS employees and contractors.

Oh, boy! We can live in a police state! The radical right's wet dream!

All employees should have yearly background checks.

What is your solution? I don't agree with the social media surveillance but doing nothing is not working.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If you care about school safety, pls sign this petition.
https://www.change.org/p/montgomery-county-council-reinstate-school-resource-officers-at-mcps

Recently, there are a number of local and nation wide violence attacks against students. Here are two quick examples.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/blair-high-school-stabbing-student-charged/2021/11/09/7e87293a-4176-11ec-a88e-2aa4632af69b_story.html
https://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/video-teen-girls-attack-students-on-septa-train/3051706/

It sounds the time to put our student safety first.

Thanks,

This is the dumbest idea I've seen here in months and that's saying something.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The problem with this whole debate is inherent bias about *who* is a risk. For the most part, school violence happens from within the school (ie other students). Security measures are often designed to keep outsiders from getting in. Students who go to these schools everyday know the blind spots of security anyway. All the metal detectors, SROs etc are doing is making parents feel better. At the same time, those very security measures do two not so great things for students: they increase fear and feelings of not being safe (and yes there are studies on this) and second they increase disproportionate removals of students of color and with disabilities. Security measures don’t prevent violence.

MCPS is wrong for not getting enough mental health support in the doors quickly enough and not connecting with community providers. Bringing back SROs isn’t going to fix that.

SROs don't accomplish much of anything but make the right-wing extremists feel better by making public schools (which they hate) have more of a prison feel.

Metal detectors, too.

Exactly.

What is your proposal because No SRO's and we've had multiple incidents at the "good" schools. One of those knife fights could have been deadly. We've also had more assaults on campus in locker rooms.

There have always been multiple incidents at the "good schools", even when there were SROs.

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Anonymous wrote:The problem with this whole debate is inherent bias about *who* is a risk. For the most part, school violence happens from within the school (ie other students). Security measures are often designed to keep outsiders from getting in. Students who go to these schools everyday know the blind spots of security anyway. All the metal detectors, SROs etc are doing is making parents feel better. At the same time, those very security measures do two not so great things for students: they increase fear and feelings of not being safe (and yes there are studies on this) and second they increase disproportionate removals of students of color and with disabilities. Security measures don’t prevent violence.

MCPS is wrong for not getting enough mental health support in the doors quickly enough and not connecting with community providers. Bringing back SROs isn’t going to fix that.

SROs don't accomplish much of anything but make the right-wing extremists feel better by making public schools (which they hate) have more of a prison feel.

Metal detectors, too.

Exactly.

What is your proposal because No SRO's and we've had multiple incidents at the "good" schools. One of those knife fights could have been deadly. We've also had more assaults on campus in locker rooms.

There have always been multiple incidents at the "good schools", even when there were SROs.

Instead of removing them we need more.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The problem with this whole debate is inherent bias about *who* is a risk. For the most part, school violence happens from within the school (ie other students). Security measures are often designed to keep outsiders from getting in. Students who go to these schools everyday know the blind spots of security anyway. All the metal detectors, SROs etc are doing is making parents feel better. At the same time, those very security measures do two not so great things for students: they increase fear and feelings of not being safe (and yes there are studies on this) and second they increase disproportionate removals of students of color and with disabilities. Security measures don’t prevent violence.

MCPS is wrong for not getting enough mental health support in the doors quickly enough and not connecting with community providers. Bringing back SROs isn’t going to fix that.

SROs don't accomplish much of anything but make the right-wing extremists feel better by making public schools (which they hate) have more of a prison feel.

Metal detectors, too.

Exactly.

What is your proposal because No SRO's and we've had multiple incidents at the "good" schools. One of those knife fights could have been deadly. We've also had more assaults on campus in locker rooms.

There have always been multiple incidents at the "good schools", even when there were SROs.

Instead of removing them we need more.

Because adding more of something that’s ineffective is going to make it effective? How does that logic work?

SROs are not only ineffective, they’re harmful. We don’t need more of them.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The problem with this whole debate is inherent bias about *who* is a risk. For the most part, school violence happens from within the school (ie other students). Security measures are often designed to keep outsiders from getting in. Students who go to these schools everyday know the blind spots of security anyway. All the metal detectors, SROs etc are doing is making parents feel better. At the same time, those very security measures do two not so great things for students: they increase fear and feelings of not being safe (and yes there are studies on this) and second they increase disproportionate removals of students of color and with disabilities. Security measures don’t prevent violence.

MCPS is wrong for not getting enough mental health support in the doors quickly enough and not connecting with community providers. Bringing back SROs isn’t going to fix that.

SROs don't accomplish much of anything but make the right-wing extremists feel better by making public schools (which they hate) have more of a prison feel.

Metal detectors, too.

Exactly.

What is your proposal because No SRO's and we've had multiple incidents at the "good" schools. One of those knife fights could have been deadly. We've also had more assaults on campus in locker rooms.

There have always been multiple incidents at the "good schools", even when there were SROs.

Instead of removing them we need more.

Because adding more of something that’s ineffective is going to make it effective? How does that logic work?

SROs are not only ineffective, they’re harmful. We don’t need more of them.

They are not harmful. What is your suggestion?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The problem with this whole debate is inherent bias about *who* is a risk. For the most part, school violence happens from within the school (ie other students). Security measures are often designed to keep outsiders from getting in. Students who go to these schools everyday know the blind spots of security anyway. All the metal detectors, SROs etc are doing is making parents feel better. At the same time, those very security measures do two not so great things for students: they increase fear and feelings of not being safe (and yes there are studies on this) and second they increase disproportionate removals of students of color and with disabilities. Security measures don’t prevent violence.

MCPS is wrong for not getting enough mental health support in the doors quickly enough and not connecting with community providers. Bringing back SROs isn’t going to fix that.

SROs don't accomplish much of anything but make the right-wing extremists feel better by making public schools (which they hate) have more of a prison feel.

Metal detectors, too.

Exactly.

What is your proposal because No SRO's and we've had multiple incidents at the "good" schools. One of those knife fights could have been deadly. We've also had more assaults on campus in locker rooms.

There have always been multiple incidents at the "good schools", even when there were SROs.

Instead of removing them we need more.

Because adding more of something that’s ineffective is going to make it effective? How does that logic work?

SROs are not only ineffective, they’re harmful. We don’t need more of them.

They are not harmful. What is your suggestion?

A lot of students testified that they are harmful. What is your suggestion?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The problem with this whole debate is inherent bias about *who* is a risk. For the most part, school violence happens from within the school (ie other students). Security measures are often designed to keep outsiders from getting in. Students who go to these schools everyday know the blind spots of security anyway. All the metal detectors, SROs etc are doing is making parents feel better. At the same time, those very security measures do two not so great things for students: they increase fear and feelings of not being safe (and yes there are studies on this) and second they increase disproportionate removals of students of color and with disabilities. Security measures don’t prevent violence.

MCPS is wrong for not getting enough mental health support in the doors quickly enough and not connecting with community providers. Bringing back SROs isn’t going to fix that.

SROs don't accomplish much of anything but make the right-wing extremists feel better by making public schools (which they hate) have more of a prison feel.

Metal detectors, too.

Actually, they are: https://www.edworkingpapers.com/ai21-476. While there’s some association with reductions in certain types of violence this effect size is very small; the effects on disproportionate removals from school is much much larger.

What works to prevent violence? Actually getting to the underlying root causes, focusing on improving school climate, tiered systems of support, SEL, etc.
Exactly.

What is your proposal because No SRO's and we've had multiple incidents at the "good" schools. One of those knife fights could have been deadly. We've also had more assaults on campus in locker rooms.

There have always been multiple incidents at the "good schools", even when there were SROs.

Instead of removing them we need more.

Because adding more of something that’s ineffective is going to make it effective? How does that logic work?

SROs are not only ineffective, they’re harmful. We don’t need more of them.

They are not harmful. What is your suggestion?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The problem with this whole debate is inherent bias about *who* is a risk. For the most part, school violence happens from within the school (ie other students). Security measures are often designed to keep outsiders from getting in. Students who go to these schools everyday know the blind spots of security anyway. All the metal detectors, SROs etc are doing is making parents feel better. At the same time, those very security measures do two not so great things for students: they increase fear and feelings of not being safe (and yes there are studies on this) and second they increase disproportionate removals of students of color and with disabilities. Security measures don’t prevent violence.

MCPS is wrong for not getting enough mental health support in the doors quickly enough and not connecting with community providers. Bringing back SROs isn’t going to fix that.

SROs don't accomplish much of anything but make the right-wing extremists feel better by making public schools (which they hate) have more of a prison feel.

Metal detectors, too.

Exactly.

What is your proposal because No SRO's and we've had multiple incidents at the "good" schools. One of those knife fights could have been deadly. We've also had more assaults on campus in locker rooms.

There have always been multiple incidents at the "good schools", even when there were SROs.

Instead of removing them we need more.

Because adding more of something that’s ineffective is going to make it effective? How does that logic work?

SROs are not only ineffective, they’re harmful. We don’t need more of them.

They are not harmful. What is your suggestion?

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Actually, they are: https://www.edworkingpapers.com/ai21-476. While there’s some association with reductions in certain types of violence this effect size is very small; the effects on disproportionate removals from school is much much larger.

What works to prevent violence? Actually getting to the underlying root causes, focusing on improving school climate, tiered systems of support, SEL, etc.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The problem with this whole debate is inherent bias about *who* is a risk. For the most part, school violence happens from within the school (ie other students). Security measures are often designed to keep outsiders from getting in. Students who go to these schools everyday know the blind spots of security anyway. All the metal detectors, SROs etc are doing is making parents feel better. At the same time, those very security measures do two not so great things for students: they increase fear and feelings of not being safe (and yes there are studies on this) and second they increase disproportionate removals of students of color and with disabilities. Security measures don’t prevent violence.

MCPS is wrong for not getting enough mental health support in the doors quickly enough and not connecting with community providers. Bringing back SROs isn’t going to fix that.

SROs don't accomplish much of anything but make the right-wing extremists feel better by making public schools (which they hate) have more of a prison feel.

Metal detectors, too.

Exactly.

What is your proposal because No SRO's and we've had multiple incidents at the "good" schools. One of those knife fights could have been deadly. We've also had more assaults on campus in locker rooms.

There have always been multiple incidents at the "good schools", even when there were SROs.

The astroturfers are trying to make this into an issue by promoting these incidents. There's really nothing new and if anything it's shown how unnecessary the SROs were.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The problem with this whole debate is inherent bias about *who* is a risk. For the most part, school violence happens from within the school (ie other students). Security measures are often designed to keep outsiders from getting in. Students who go to these schools everyday know the blind spots of security anyway. All the metal detectors, SROs etc are doing is making parents feel better. At the same time, those very security measures do two not so great things for students: they increase fear and feelings of not being safe (and yes there are studies on this) and second they increase disproportionate removals of students of color and with disabilities. Security measures don’t prevent violence.

MCPS is wrong for not getting enough mental health support in the doors quickly enough and not connecting with community providers. Bringing back SROs isn’t going to fix that.

SROs don't accomplish much of anything but make the right-wing extremists feel better by making public schools (which they hate) have more of a prison feel.

Metal detectors, too.

Exactly.

What is your proposal because No SRO's and we've had multiple incidents at the "good" schools. One of those knife fights could have been deadly. We've also had more assaults on campus in locker rooms.

There have always been multiple incidents at the "good schools", even when there were SROs.

The astroturfers are trying to make this into an issue by promoting these incidents. There's really nothing new and if anything it's shown how unnecessary the SROs were.

They are absolutely necessary. As an alternative what are YOU proposing? You keep saying you don't want SRO's but have given no other answers as to how to prevent these things from happening. Do you even have school aged kids in MCPS?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The problem with this whole debate is inherent bias about *who* is a risk. For the most part, school violence happens from within the school (ie other students). Security measures are often designed to keep outsiders from getting in. Students who go to these schools everyday know the blind spots of security anyway. All the metal detectors, SROs etc are doing is making parents feel better. At the same time, those very security measures do two not so great things for students: they increase fear and feelings of not being safe (and yes there are studies on this) and second they increase disproportionate removals of students of color and with disabilities. Security measures don’t prevent violence.

MCPS is wrong for not getting enough mental health support in the doors quickly enough and not connecting with community providers. Bringing back SROs isn’t going to fix that.

SROs don't accomplish much of anything but make the right-wing extremists feel better by making public schools (which they hate) have more of a prison feel.

Metal detectors, too.

Exactly.

What is your proposal because No SRO's and we've had multiple incidents at the "good" schools. One of those knife fights could have been deadly. We've also had more assaults on campus in locker rooms.

There have always been multiple incidents at the "good schools", even when there were SROs.

Instead of removing them we need more.

Because adding more of something that’s ineffective is going to make it effective? How does that logic work?

SROs are not only ineffective, they’re harmful. We don’t need more of them.

They are not harmful. What is your suggestion?

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Actually, they are: https://www.edworkingpapers.com/ai21-476. While there’s some association with reductions in certain types of violence this effect size is very small; the effects on disproportionate removals from school is much much larger.

What works to prevent violence? Actually getting to the underlying root causes, focusing on improving school climate, tiered systems of support, SEL, etc.

Your random paper didn't work however, of course we need to prevent violence but how do you propose that get done? And, in a way MCPS is willing to do?

And, you cannot fix these kids without fixing the problems at home. Schools cannot fix the problems at home, only the parents and most aren't willing. MCPS is not providing more "support" and the support many families get is only for fighting for it or seeing the school system or going privately. You clearly have never worked with any of these kids.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The problem with this whole debate is inherent bias about *who* is a risk. For the most part, school violence happens from within the school (ie other students). Security measures are often designed to keep outsiders from getting in. Students who go to these schools everyday know the blind spots of security anyway. All the metal detectors, SROs etc are doing is making parents feel better. At the same time, those very security measures do two not so great things for students: they increase fear and feelings of not being safe (and yes there are studies on this) and second they increase disproportionate removals of students of color and with disabilities. Security measures don’t prevent violence.

MCPS is wrong for not getting enough mental health support in the doors quickly enough and not connecting with community providers. Bringing back SROs isn’t going to fix that.

SROs don't accomplish much of anything but make the right-wing extremists feel better by making public schools (which they hate) have more of a prison feel.

Metal detectors, too.

Exactly.

What is your proposal because No SRO's and we've had multiple incidents at the "good" schools. One of those knife fights could have been deadly. We've also had more assaults on campus in locker rooms.

There have always been multiple incidents at the "good schools", even when there were SROs.

Instead of removing them we need more.

Because adding more of something that’s ineffective is going to make it effective? How does that logic work?

SROs are not only ineffective, they’re harmful. We don’t need more of them.

They are not harmful. What is your suggestion?

A lot of students testified that they are harmful. What is your suggestion?

A lot didn't testify. A handful did who are a select group of attention seekers. So, what is your better suggestion since you don't want SRO's or security in the schools.

Clearly more kids are being harmed by violence now than are from the SRO's.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The problem with this whole debate is inherent bias about *who* is a risk. For the most part, school violence happens from within the school (ie other students). Security measures are often designed to keep outsiders from getting in. Students who go to these schools everyday know the blind spots of security anyway. All the metal detectors, SROs etc are doing is making parents feel better. At the same time, those very security measures do two not so great things for students: they increase fear and feelings of not being safe (and yes there are studies on this) and second they increase disproportionate removals of students of color and with disabilities. Security measures don’t prevent violence.

MCPS is wrong for not getting enough mental health support in the doors quickly enough and not connecting with community providers. Bringing back SROs isn’t going to fix that.

SROs don't accomplish much of anything but make the right-wing extremists feel better by making public schools (which they hate) have more of a prison feel.

Metal detectors, too.

Exactly.

What is your proposal because No SRO's and we've had multiple incidents at the "good" schools. One of those knife fights could have been deadly. We've also had more assaults on campus in locker rooms.

There have always been multiple incidents at the "good schools", even when there were SROs.

Instead of removing them we need more.

Because adding more of something that’s ineffective is going to make it effective? How does that logic work?

SROs are not only ineffective, they’re harmful. We don’t need more of them.

They are not harmful. What is your suggestion?

A lot of students testified that they are harmful. What is your suggestion?

A lot didn't testify. A handful did who are a select group of attention seekers. So, what is your better suggestion since you don't want SRO's or security in the schools.

Clearly more kids are being harmed by violence now than are from the SRO's.

Stop it with your Fox News propaganda.
Everybody wants security in schools. People in don't want useless SROs.