Another ICE Shooting in Minnesota

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Anonymous wrote:I think the thing that's bothering me the most is that we have everything recorded at this point multiple viewpoints and people will still say they believe the lies of DHS and the president.
It's not a lack of information it's willful disregard for truth. I have a lot of family members in the south and many of them are Trump voters. My husband was asked me why I keep them and don't block them or unfollow and it's because it provides a viewpoint and even when reading their posts about this I still can't wrap my mind around it because this is the party and the people who cheered on Kyle rittenhouse, they said those in January 6th we're just congregating and protesting, they vote for Republicans quote on quote because they're going to come for our guns, and I can't help but begin to think that the only constitutional rights that they believe in are the ones that apply to them.

It's really pretty simple. It's the whole in-group and out-group thing. We are in a situation as a nation where individuals derive their self-worth from party affiliation, treating opposing political groups (out-groups) as threats. This "us vs. them" mentality fosters extreme partisanship in which in-group loyalty clouds their perception of reality. In that world view, both sides see the other side as enemies and threats to our way of life.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Protest is constitutionally protected, and, in my view, a moral imperative in time like these.

But protesting what?
These protesters were protesting immigration enforcement from the get-go, before things escalated.
Now 2 people have died and the shooters have not been held accountable or shootings investigated. THAT is worth protesting.
But not lawful immigration enforcement, ugly as it may be.

Wrong. they were protesting the tactics that changed under Bovino/Noem/Trump. This wasn't an issue under Biden. ICE are the ones who excalate, because they are not trained in the tactics they are trying to employ.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am old enough to remember when Obama was elected to his first term in 2008, the tea party people were showing up to town halls carrying long guns on their backs and signs that read "the tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." And for a long time after, there were those guys who would just walk around town open carrying large rifles while wearing fatigues, saying they were exercising their constitutional rights, and people on the right cheered them on every step of the way. They'd say that if seeing a gun causes you fear, that's a you problem.

Where are those people now?

There truly are people on the right who only believe in constitutional rights when they are the ones exercising them. When someone else does it, they see them as a threat that needs to be dealt with. Hypocritical and dangerous to their core.

They joined ICE.

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Anonymous wrote:I am curious, what do you all think was going on in the head of the shooter? What could he possibly be thinking? He has been doing this 8 years and presumably hasn't killed someone in cold blood before, at least in public. Not a new recruit with no training. So what was he thinking? I am not trying to justify anything. Just purely curious.

Also, other than trying to block the appropriation bills, which doesn't sound like it would do much anyways, what else can democrats do?

And can Minneapolis bring charges against this guy (and the last guy?). I know feds are not cooperating but can they legally prosecute? It seems in this case, there is plenty of evidence to convict.

When the deceased man was struggling with federal agents, one of the agents saw his gun and yelled “gun”. I believe one of the agents removed the deceased man’s gun during the struggle, but not all of the agents knew that. When the agents are searching the man’s body after he passed, one of them is heard asking “where’s the gun?”

These are trying to do a dangerous job and have protestors/rioters constantly in their faces. They were faced with a man resisting arrest who possessed a gun. I believe that was their mindset.

It’s not a dangerous job.

Says the person typing whatever from a warm home and a cup of java.

It’s a needlessly dangerous job being done voluntarily by the otherwise unemployable dregs of society, and all for the purposes of evil.

A bubble thread of comments by posters who frequently disparage the intelligence of any type of LEO and basically don't believe in law enforcement and would never encourage their kids to become a policeperson or any other type of LEO.

The newly hired ICE agents are not trained LEO, particularly local police forces. YOU are the one trying to tie them together. Most of us understand the difference. Just stop.

I've been on DCUM for over 10 years. The disparagement of LEOs before the current ICE agents' actions is not a new thing here. .

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Anonymous wrote:I am curious, what do you all think was going on in the head of the shooter? What could he possibly be thinking? He has been doing this 8 years and presumably hasn't killed someone in cold blood before, at least in public. Not a new recruit with no training. So what was he thinking? I am not trying to justify anything. Just purely curious.

Also, other than trying to block the appropriation bills, which doesn't sound like it would do much anyways, what else can democrats do?

And can Minneapolis bring charges against this guy (and the last guy?). I know feds are not cooperating but can they legally prosecute? It seems in this case, there is plenty of evidence to convict.

When the deceased man was struggling with federal agents, one of the agents saw his gun and yelled “gun”. I believe one of the agents removed the deceased man’s gun during the struggle, but not all of the agents knew that. When the agents are searching the man’s body after he passed, one of them is heard asking “where’s the gun?”

These are trying to do a dangerous job and have protestors/rioters constantly in their faces. They were faced with a man resisting arrest who possessed a gun. I believe that was their mindset.

Why are they even there though? MN doesn't have many illegals. And now we know that the welfare fraud claim was literally Trumped up. They are there to scare people into submission. You must be a bot/troll if you can't figure this out.

I have reported your post for using this vile word, which I equate to the calling someone a n-----. It's offensive, obscene. Stop using that dehumanizing word. People who are here without documentation are undocumented non-citizens.

OT...not it isn't like using the N-word. Just stop with that. No, people should not be using the term, but come on.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Protest is constitutionally protected, and, in my view, a moral imperative in time like these.

Is what these people are doing constitutionally protected protest? They are actively attempting to impede and obstruct federal law enforcement activities. That’s not a constitutionally protected right. IMO, the two deaths we have seen are a tragic consequence of a party telling their supporters to interject themselves into dangerous federal law enforcement operations. It’s not a safe environment for anyone.

Funny how you only question the legality of the protests and not the actions of masked thugs. Total logic fail, you gross traitor. If everyday men hadn’t thrown tea into a harbor, America would have a very different history. Read a goddamn history book.

There “protestors” are rioting because they want open borders and the abolishment of immigration laws. We all saw what their preferred policies bring to the country during the four years of Biden’s regime. No thank you!

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Anonymous wrote:I am curious, what do you all think was going on in the head of the shooter? What could he possibly be thinking? He has been doing this 8 years and presumably hasn't killed someone in cold blood before, at least in public. Not a new recruit with no training. So what was he thinking? I am not trying to justify anything. Just purely curious.

Also, other than trying to block the appropriation bills, which doesn't sound like it would do much anyways, what else can democrats do?

And can Minneapolis bring charges against this guy (and the last guy?). I know feds are not cooperating but can they legally prosecute? It seems in this case, there is plenty of evidence to convict.

When the deceased man was struggling with federal agents, one of the agents saw his gun and yelled “gun”. I believe one of the agents removed the deceased man’s gun during the struggle, but not all of the agents knew that. When the agents are searching the man’s body after he passed, one of them is heard asking “where’s the gun?”

These are trying to do a dangerous job and have protestors/rioters constantly in their faces. They were faced with a man resisting arrest who possessed a gun. I believe that was their mindset.

He wasn't being arrested. ICE is not the police. They can't just cuff someone because they annoyed them. Not that the police are supposed to do that either, but that's an issue for another time. Him having a gun was not a crime. They don't get to shoot someone because they possess a gun.

How many times does this have to be said? THERE IS NO JUSTIFICATION FOR WHAT OCCURRED.

If you MAGA morons and this regime could just admit this was not handled properly and that the officers in question would be held accountable, you could easily bring the temperature down.

But you can't and you won't because the violence is the point.

The good news is, if they keep this up it will be the end of them.

Really?? How many people do you think ICE will have to murder and cover up before they are stopped?

And who is going to stop them?? Noem, DUI Heg, Miller and Fox News all lie about the murder victims.

I don't see this ending any time soon.

Oh, I think that it will escalate and involve actions on both sides. It will get messy and worse. However, I think that the faster it escalates the faster we get the country back. The alternative is TACO, but I don’t think that Trump has any say in it anymore. This is President Miller.

The both sides will be ICE on one and 2A NRA types on the other. And somehow it will be Biden's fault.

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Anonymous wrote:I am curious, what do you all think was going on in the head of the shooter? What could he possibly be thinking? He has been doing this 8 years and presumably hasn't killed someone in cold blood before, at least in public. Not a new recruit with no training. So what was he thinking? I am not trying to justify anything. Just purely curious.

Also, other than trying to block the appropriation bills, which doesn't sound like it would do much anyways, what else can democrats do?

And can Minneapolis bring charges against this guy (and the last guy?). I know feds are not cooperating but can they legally prosecute? It seems in this case, there is plenty of evidence to convict.

When the deceased man was struggling with federal agents, one of the agents saw his gun and yelled “gun”. I believe one of the agents removed the deceased man’s gun during the struggle, but not all of the agents knew that. When the agents are searching the man’s body after he passed, one of them is heard asking “where’s the gun?”

These are trying to do a dangerous job and have protestors/rioters constantly in their faces. They were faced with a man resisting arrest who possessed a gun. I believe that was their mindset.

It’s not a dangerous job.

Says the person typing whatever from a warm home and a cup of java.

It’s a needlessly dangerous job being done voluntarily by the otherwise unemployable dregs of society, and all for the purposes of evil.

It wasn't needlessly dangerous when Obama and Biden were president. Somehow, ICE was able to execute its mission without killing US citizens and disrupting the lives of millions of Americans trying to go about their business.

ICE barely removed anyone from the interior of the country during both Biden and Obama’s presidencies. They didn’t execute their mission at all and allowed the illegal immigrant population to massively expand.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Since a judge has ruled that ice can’t use tactics like pepper spray on peaceful protests and that apparently was one of the things that set this murder into motion, and since Minnesota has a felony murder statute, can all the agents involved be charged with murder? Do they even need the felony murder statute to charge them all?

Standing in the street to block people/vehicles is not peaceful protests. There’s a longer video that shows him refusing to move, any reference to it here gets removed.

No there isn't. The longer video shows that he was doing nothing but helping a woman up who had been pepper sprayed and shoved to the ground.

The video is unambiguous.

Even if a video existed showing this, once someone is down with multiple officers retraining him you can’t justify multiple gun shots and murder. A few days ago was the anniversary of an event where a (white man) took hostages at a bank and killed five women. He was apprehended, not shot after he was in custody.

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Anonymous wrote:Since a judge has ruled that ice can’t use tactics like pepper spray on peaceful protests and that apparently was one of the things that set this murder into motion, and since Minnesota has a felony murder statute, can all the agents involved be charged with murder? Do they even need the felony murder statute to charge them all?

Good luck identifying any of them. They are all probably whisked to some other red state haven now where they will retire with 70 virgins and palm trees.

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Anonymous wrote:I am curious, what do you all think was going on in the head of the shooter? What could he possibly be thinking? He has been doing this 8 years and presumably hasn't killed someone in cold blood before, at least in public. Not a new recruit with no training. So what was he thinking? I am not trying to justify anything. Just purely curious.

Also, other than trying to block the appropriation bills, which doesn't sound like it would do much anyways, what else can democrats do?

And can Minneapolis bring charges against this guy (and the last guy?). I know feds are not cooperating but can they legally prosecute? It seems in this case, there is plenty of evidence to convict.

When the deceased man was struggling with federal agents, one of the agents saw his gun and yelled “gun”. I believe one of the agents removed the deceased man’s gun during the struggle, but not all of the agents knew that. When the agents are searching the man’s body after he passed, one of them is heard asking “where’s the gun?”

These are trying to do a dangerous job and have protestors/rioters constantly in their faces. They were faced with a man resisting arrest who possessed a gun. I believe that was their mindset.

It’s not a dangerous job.

Says the person typing whatever from a warm home and a cup of java.

It’s a needlessly dangerous job being done voluntarily by the otherwise unemployable dregs of society, and all for the purposes of evil.

A bubble thread of comments by posters who frequently disparage the intelligence of any type of LEO and basically don't believe in law enforcement and would never encourage their kids to become a policeperson or any other type of LEO.

The newly hired ICE agents are not trained LEO, particularly local police forces. YOU are the one trying to tie them together. Most of us understand the difference. Just stop.

I've been on DCUM for over 10 years. The disparagement of LEOs before the current ICE agents' actions is not a new thing here. .

Not without reason.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Protest is constitutionally protected, and, in my view, a moral imperative in time like these.

But protesting what?
These protesters were protesting immigration enforcement from the get-go, before things escalated.
Now 2 people have died and the shooters have not been held accountable or shootings investigated. THAT is worth protesting.
But not lawful immigration enforcement, ugly as it may be.

Who put you in charge of what people can and can’t protest?

That's not what PP is saying. What has happened has made this situation something much more than a protest about immigration. This is about an out of control paramilitary force that is routinely, casually, and intentionally violating the Constitution, executing peaceful citizens, and pissing on 250 years of American history and belief.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think the thing that's bothering me the most is that we have everything recorded at this point multiple viewpoints and people will still say they believe the lies of DHS and the president.
It's not a lack of information it's willful disregard for truth. I have a lot of family members in the south and many of them are Trump voters. My husband was asked me why I keep them and don't block them or unfollow and it's because it provides a viewpoint and even when reading their posts about this I still can't wrap my mind around it because this is the party and the people who cheered on Kyle rittenhouse, they said those in January 6th we're just congregating and protesting, they vote for Republicans quote on quote because they're going to come for our guns, and I can't help but begin to think that the only constitutional rights that they believe in are the ones that apply to them.

It's really pretty simple. It's the whole in-group and out-group thing. We are in a situation as a nation where individuals derive their self-worth from party affiliation, treating opposing political groups (out-groups) as threats. This "us vs. them" mentality fosters extreme partisanship in which in-group loyalty clouds their perception of reality. In that world view, both sides see the other side as enemies and threats to our way of life.

This indeed is the scary part. How can there be any hope. And this phenomenon isn't unique to this country. It is happening everywhere. We are truly in a post truth society. It cannot last long.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Protest is constitutionally protected, and, in my view, a moral imperative in time like these.

But protesting what?
These protesters were protesting immigration enforcement from the get-go, before things escalated.
Now 2 people have died and the shooters have not been held accountable or shootings investigated. THAT is worth protesting.
But not lawful immigration enforcement, ugly as it may be.

Wrong. they were protesting the tactics that changed under Bovino/Noem/Trump. This wasn't an issue under Biden. ICE are the ones who excalate, because they are not trained in the tactics they are trying to employ.

The rioters escalate by insulting and obstructing our federal law enforcement agents. The rioters interfere with the performance of their jobs.

The only tactic that changed from Biden to Trump is that ICE agents are now enforcing federal immigration laws instead of nullifying it. ICE agents didn’t arrest anyone during Biden’s open borders disaster. Biden wasn’t interested in immigration enforcement, just ushering millions of illegal immigrants into the country and giving them taxpayer funded benefits.

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Anonymous wrote:I am curious, what do you all think was going on in the head of the shooter? What could he possibly be thinking? He has been doing this 8 years and presumably hasn't killed someone in cold blood before, at least in public. Not a new recruit with no training. So what was he thinking? I am not trying to justify anything. Just purely curious.

Also, other than trying to block the appropriation bills, which doesn't sound like it would do much anyways, what else can democrats do?

And can Minneapolis bring charges against this guy (and the last guy?). I know feds are not cooperating but can they legally prosecute? It seems in this case, there is plenty of evidence to convict.

When the deceased man was struggling with federal agents, one of the agents saw his gun and yelled “gun”. I believe one of the agents removed the deceased man’s gun during the struggle, but not all of the agents knew that. When the agents are searching the man’s body after he passed, one of them is heard asking “where’s the gun?”

These are trying to do a dangerous job and have protestors/rioters constantly in their faces. They were faced with a man resisting arrest who possessed a gun. I believe that was their mindset.

This is SUCH a lie. He wasn’t resisting arrest, he was helping a woman that four+ men were tackling to the ground because she probably had a camera out. They sprayed them at close range with pepper spray, and he still kept his body between her and the masked thugs. Then they put bullets in a man who was temporarily blinded instead of WALKING THE FU(K AWAY to actually do their jobs which is to STRATEGICALLY arrest immigrants who have committed violent crimes.

If you think murdering Americans shouting “fu(k ice” is keeping you safer, then you are un-American to the core. Don’t ever say you’re a patriot because you are NOT.

The job of ICE is to remove illegal immigrants. There is no law that says illegal immigrants have to commit a violent crime to be deported.

It was a campaign promise that Trump was going to get rid of the criminals and rapists. He is breaking that promise by getting rid of anyone who opposes him, legal or not.

ICE is rounding up people here lawfully and has harassed and assaulted many US citizens and murdered 2 of them.