Republicans and the debt ceiling

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Anonymous wrote:Bottom line is McCarthy doesn’t have the votes to broker a deal with Biden and save his Speakership. GOP is going to take the country over the fiscal cliff and blame the White House. And since Biden has long lost his ability to think clearly and speak coherently, the GOP may actually pull it off.

Or, if Biden refuses to negotiate and make meaningful concessions, we will go over the fiscal cliff. That's the way i see it.

What meaningful concessions is McCarthy offering?

He's taken everything except discretionary spending off the table for starters.

How about we go back to the spending budget of 2018? He isn't even pushing that hard.

So he has taken 90% of spending off the table and is leaving things like funding police and teachers, maintaining roads, food safety inspections and VA hospitals.

What food safety inspections? No one is inspecting food. They're in their office all day surfing the internet, shuffling paper and sending emails to each other about ESG and DEI. You know I'm correct, even if you don't want to admit it.

Huh? This really exposes the ignorance of the right. Yes, there are over 9,000 USDA food inspectors who review the processing of our animals like cows, pigs and chickens, as well as facilities that package things like spinach, lettuce, grapefruits, stawberries etc on a daily basis to ensure what we are getting the the market is safe and clean.

https://www.fsis.usda.gov/

Do you really not know this?

I know what govt is all about. There's a website with "mission statements" and then there's reality.

Reality is govt is about paper pushing, unbelievable bureaucracy, ridicuous layers of management and busy work.

Reality is, there are hundreds of thousands of Federal employees, Park Service, Food inspectors Postal workers etc spread across the country working hard on behalf of the American public. Your ignorance is a tell.

Reality is you could cut the federal workforce by 60% and no one would miss it.

I guess you don't like going to national parks or riding on safe planes or taking medicines that meet quality control standards.

I could go on and on, but there is not cure for blindness.

I seem to remember Biden telling us he would cure cancer if elected. Ridiculous.

Meanwhile, we got statements from Biden stating Trump should resign because Covid deaths crossed the 250K mark. When it crossed the million mark with Biden, silence.

The bureaucracy needs the national parks. The parks don't need the bureaucracy.

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Wow, I haven't seen Democrats this worked up since they lost the ability to have slaves.

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Anonymous wrote:Government has a spending problem not a revenue problem. I could cut 25 percent of the federal govt workforce and it wouldn’t make a difference to most Americans. Just a jobs program. So much wasteful spending.

Ok, be specific, what would you cut?

- I would cut the Department of Education, HUD, Labor, and the EPA in half for starters.
- I would scrutinize all government travel, fact-finding missions (boondoggles), etc. A lot of govt travel is unnecessary and with today's technology most can be done via video call.
- Eliminate compressed work schedules for the Federal workforce. This is the practice of working 40 hours in 9 work days so you basically get every other Friday off.
- Eliminate sick leave carry over for the Federal workforce. It should be use or lose on an annual basis.
- Streamline the Dept of Commerce. Eliminate wasteful and bureaucratic regulations. Cut red tape and the govt jobs that support them.
- Cut the DoD civilian workforce by 25 percent. There's so much redundancy in the Pentagon. Completely rewrite the inefficient and costly defense acquisition process. Reward program managers for saving the govt money not for meeting their budget projections.
- Increase the size and the pay of the SEC workforce. Expand their surveillance and enforcement powers.
- Eliminate the carried-interest tax loophole.
- Reduce the authorized size of Congressional staffs.
- Etc.

Kevin McCarthy has already rejected this deal.

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Covid is over. Let's go back to 2017 spending levels.

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It makes perfect sense why the DCUM boards are filled to the rim with Democrats / Liberals. The DC area is very blue. I guess these people love paying taxes.

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Anonymous wrote:Covid is over. Let's go back to 2017 spending levels.

Then let's also go back to 2017 taxing levels too.

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Anonymous wrote:It makes perfect sense why the DCUM boards are filled to the rim with Democrats / Liberals. The DC area is very blue. I guess these people love paying taxes.

Well put it a different way.

Most of the red states are "taker" states, meaning that get more from the federal government than the Federal government taxes their residents.
Also, there are more federal employees around the country than there are in DC and the DC region.

I think most blue "maker" state residents, at this point, would be happy to cut off the subsidies to the red states.

The issue is where to draw the line. Pollution from the upper plains flows through the mississippi river to Louisiana. Should Louisiana be responsible for mitigating it all, or should those other states be responsible too? Pollution from factories in Ohio and Pennslyania rained into New England. How did we manage that? There are more farms in the midwest, should we just not bother to ensure the quality of the food grown or the meats raised and processed? What about our ports? Should only the coastal states with ports be responsible for maintaining them, and insuring international standards of ship sizes and the machinery to ship and move the cargo is standardized? How should air traffic control be managed or the purity of pharmcuetical drugs? How do you coordiante where one road end in one state and other begins in another; or should there not be cross state roads, highways and rail lines?

Where do you want the federal responsibility to stop and the local to start? Certainly with education that is mostly a local issue. Police? Fire? Other law enforcement?

the list goes on. We have a big country with a lot of people. Without a decent central organizing entity - aka government- we would have a lot of chaos and inefficiency.

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Anonymous wrote:It makes perfect sense why the DCUM boards are filled to the rim with Democrats / Liberals. The DC area is very blue. I guess these people love paying taxes.

Well put it a different way.

Most of the red states are "taker" states, meaning that get more from the federal government than the Federal government taxes their residents.
Also, there are more federal employees around the country than there are in DC and the DC region.

I think most blue "maker" state residents, at this point, would be happy to cut off the subsidies to the red states.

The issue is where to draw the line. Pollution from the upper plains flows through the mississippi river to Louisiana. Should Louisiana be responsible for mitigating it all, or should those other states be responsible too? Pollution from factories in Ohio and Pennslyania rained into New England. How did we manage that? There are more farms in the midwest, should we just not bother to ensure the quality of the food grown or the meats raised and processed? What about our ports? Should only the coastal states with ports be responsible for maintaining them, and insuring international standards of ship sizes and the machinery to ship and move the cargo is standardized? How should air traffic control be managed or the purity of pharmcuetical drugs? How do you coordiante where one road end in one state and other begins in another; or should there not be cross state roads, highways and rail lines?

Where do you want the federal responsibility to stop and the local to start? Certainly with education that is mostly a local issue. Police? Fire? Other law enforcement?

the list goes on. We have a big country with a lot of people. Without a decent central organizing entity - aka government- we would have a lot of chaos and inefficiency.

If you think we can go on forever with nosebleed debt levels, you're wrong.

Other countries are already repudiating the US Dollar and finding workarounds to its reserve currency status. You better wake up, progressives. The Unitd States is NOT immune to the laws of economic and mathematics.

I cited you government figures of a debt of 95K per person and Biden says 'no cuts'. Are you suicidal? Do you think we can't possibly go down the same path as Venezuela?

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Anonymous wrote:It makes perfect sense why the DCUM boards are filled to the rim with Democrats / Liberals. The DC area is very blue. I guess these people love paying taxes.

Well put it a different way.

Most of the red states are "taker" states, meaning that get more from the federal government than the Federal government taxes their residents.
Also, there are more federal employees around the country than there are in DC and the DC region.

I think most blue "maker" state residents, at this point, would be happy to cut off the subsidies to the red states.

The issue is where to draw the line. Pollution from the upper plains flows through the mississippi river to Louisiana. Should Louisiana be responsible for mitigating it all, or should those other states be responsible too? Pollution from factories in Ohio and Pennslyania rained into New England. How did we manage that? There are more farms in the midwest, should we just not bother to ensure the quality of the food grown or the meats raised and processed? What about our ports? Should only the coastal states with ports be responsible for maintaining them, and insuring international standards of ship sizes and the machinery to ship and move the cargo is standardized? How should air traffic control be managed or the purity of pharmcuetical drugs? How do you coordiante where one road end in one state and other begins in another; or should there not be cross state roads, highways and rail lines?

Where do you want the federal responsibility to stop and the local to start? Certainly with education that is mostly a local issue. Police? Fire? Other law enforcement?

the list goes on. We have a big country with a lot of people. Without a decent central organizing entity - aka government- we would have a lot of chaos and inefficiency.

If you think we can go on forever with nosebleed debt levels, you're wrong.

Other countries are already repudiating the US Dollar and finding workarounds to its reserve currency status. You better wake up, progressives. The Unitd States is NOT immune to the laws of economic and mathematics.

I cited you government figures of a debt of 95K per person and Biden says 'no cuts'. Are you suicidal? Do you think we can't possibly go down the same path as Venezuela?

Biden has not said "no cuts" Stop lying, you liar.

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Anonymous wrote:It makes perfect sense why the DCUM boards are filled to the rim with Democrats / Liberals. The DC area is very blue. I guess these people love paying taxes.

It’s patriotic to pay my fair share of taxes, yes. State and local. I want to fund first responders, teachers, social services, infrastructure, national defense, regulation of food and product safety, environmental protection, etc. All the things that make our society work. I believe in the common good.

I’m assuming you don’t. Or you are like those who complain they can’t access newspaper articles online without paying for them, as if journalism sprouts up for free.

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Anonymous wrote:It makes perfect sense why the DCUM boards are filled to the rim with Democrats / Liberals. The DC area is very blue. I guess these people love paying taxes.

It’s patriotic to pay my fair share of taxes, yes. State and local. I want to fund first responders, teachers, social services, infrastructure, national defense, regulation of food and product safety, environmental protection, etc. All the things that make our society work. I believe in the common good.

I’m assuming you don’t. Or you are like those who complain they can’t access newspaper articles online without paying for them, as if journalism sprouts up for free.

Going broke will not help the common good. And, lots of that spending is not needed.
Have you ever worked for the federal government? Been asked to find places to spend money in late September? Lots of waste.

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Anonymous wrote:It makes perfect sense why the DCUM boards are filled to the rim with Democrats / Liberals. The DC area is very blue. I guess these people love paying taxes.

Well put it a different way.

Most of the red states are "taker" states, meaning that get more from the federal government than the Federal government taxes their residents.
Also, there are more federal employees around the country than there are in DC and the DC region.

I think most blue "maker" state residents, at this point, would be happy to cut off the subsidies to the red states.

The issue is where to draw the line. Pollution from the upper plains flows through the mississippi river to Louisiana. Should Louisiana be responsible for mitigating it all, or should those other states be responsible too? Pollution from factories in Ohio and Pennslyania rained into New England. How did we manage that? There are more farms in the midwest, should we just not bother to ensure the quality of the food grown or the meats raised and processed? What about our ports? Should only the coastal states with ports be responsible for maintaining them, and insuring international standards of ship sizes and the machinery to ship and move the cargo is standardized? How should air traffic control be managed or the purity of pharmcuetical drugs? How do you coordiante where one road end in one state and other begins in another; or should there not be cross state roads, highways and rail lines?

Where do you want the federal responsibility to stop and the local to start? Certainly with education that is mostly a local issue. Police? Fire? Other law enforcement?

the list goes on. We have a big country with a lot of people. Without a decent central organizing entity - aka government- we would have a lot of chaos and inefficiency.

If you think we can go on forever with nosebleed debt levels, you're wrong.

Other countries are already repudiating the US Dollar and finding workarounds to its reserve currency status. You better wake up, progressives. The Unitd States is NOT immune to the laws of economic and mathematics.

I cited you government figures of a debt of 95K per person and Biden says 'no cuts'. Are you suicidal? Do you think we can't possibly go down the same path as Venezuela?

So you should never vote for a Republican President. They all blow up the federal debt and crash the economy.

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Anonymous wrote:Bottom line is McCarthy doesn’t have the votes to broker a deal with Biden and save his Speakership. GOP is going to take the country over the fiscal cliff and blame the White House. And since Biden has long lost his ability to think clearly and speak coherently, the GOP may actually pull it off.

Or, if Biden refuses to negotiate and make meaningful concessions, we will go over the fiscal cliff. That's the way i see it.

What meaningful concessions is McCarthy offering?

He's taken everything except discretionary spending off the table for starters.

How about we go back to the spending budget of 2018? He isn't even pushing that hard.

So he’s offered nothing then?

That is the offer.

There's a 1.5T spending cut bill on the table. If you don't like it, don't agree to it.

Don't care. Let's Thelma and Louise this.

So McCarthy is just threatening to crash the economy and hurt tens of millions of Americans unless he gets what he wants, and he won’t give up a single thing to get it. Got it.

Biden is the one who is going to crash the economy. He should agree to cut spending. This is 1st grade math. But I doubt he even knows what day of the week it is or that he's even the President. Dementia has a way of doing that to you. No one runs their household budget this way, then why should the government.

This is about honoring the debt that has already been accrued and has nothing to do with future spending, which is a budget issue, not a debt ceiling issue.

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Anonymous wrote:For the folks on the right, ask yourself, who benefits if the US Economy crashes. Who benefits if the Dollar is degraded?

Answer: China and Russia

So...why is the GOP hell bent on tanking the economy for basically no reason, to benefit China and Russia?

So....why are the Democrats hell bent on tanking the economy for basically no reason by spending beyond our means....

There...fixed it for you.

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Gentle reminder: GOP in House has already passed a bill to raise the debt ceiling. What have the Democrats done?

That wasn't even a framework, much less a bill. Compare what they passed to ANY budget bill passed by ANY congress in the last 50 years.

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:It makes perfect sense why the DCUM boards are filled to the rim with Democrats / Liberals. The DC area is very blue. I guess these people love paying taxes.

Well put it a different way.

Most of the red states are "taker" states, meaning that get more from the federal government than the Federal government taxes their residents.
Also, there are more federal employees around the country than there are in DC and the DC region.

I think most blue "maker" state residents, at this point, would be happy to cut off the subsidies to the red states.

The issue is where to draw the line. Pollution from the upper plains flows through the mississippi river to Louisiana. Should Louisiana be responsible for mitigating it all, or should those other states be responsible too? Pollution from factories in Ohio and Pennslyania rained into New England. How did we manage that? There are more farms in the midwest, should we just not bother to ensure the quality of the food grown or the meats raised and processed? What about our ports? Should only the coastal states with ports be responsible for maintaining them, and insuring international standards of ship sizes and the machinery to ship and move the cargo is standardized? How should air traffic control be managed or the purity of pharmcuetical drugs? How do you coordiante where one road end in one state and other begins in another; or should there not be cross state roads, highways and rail lines?

Where do you want the federal responsibility to stop and the local to start? Certainly with education that is mostly a local issue. Police? Fire? Other law enforcement?

the list goes on. We have a big country with a lot of people. Without a decent central organizing entity - aka government- we would have a lot of chaos and inefficiency.

If you think we can go on forever with nosebleed debt levels, you're wrong.

Other countries are already repudiating the US Dollar and finding workarounds to its reserve currency status. You better wake up, progressives. The Unitd States is NOT immune to the laws of economic and mathematics.

I cited you government figures of a debt of 95K per person and Biden says 'no cuts'. Are you suicidal? Do you think we can't possibly go down the same path as Venezuela?

It isn't the dems who keep exploding the debt and deficit spending. Wake up.