Public Trump Impeachment Hearing Mega Thread

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Did Sondland delete the call?

It’s a call, not a voicemail.

So there’s no record of the call, just an aide saying they overheard a call?

Not one, multiple.

That beefs up the claim?

[Anonymous]

No. This is known human behavior. People have more courage to speak up against the powerful when others are doing it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Doug Lamborn R-Colorado starting to throw Rudy Giuliani under the bus

https://twitter.com/jeremyschulman/status/1195380600464654339

Any Republican senator who is trying this hard to protect Trump HAS TO be himself compromised by the Russians. There's really no other explanation at this point.

Yes, this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Doug Lamborn R-Colorado starting to throw Rudy Giuliani under the bus

https://twitter.com/jeremyschulman/status/1195380600464654339

Any Republican senator who is trying this hard to protect Trump HAS TO be himself compromised by the Russians. There's really no other explanation at this point.

Yes, this.

Russian money went to the NRA which went to Representatives like him. Also, look at his constituents. Look at a map of his district. Absolute Trump country.

These weasels just want to stay in office. Our system rewards egocentric psychos. It's time for term limits.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Doug Lamborn R-Colorado starting to throw Rudy Giuliani under the bus

https://twitter.com/jeremyschulman/status/1195380600464654339

Any Republican senator who is trying this hard to protect Trump HAS TO be himself compromised by the Russians. There's really no other explanation at this point.

Any Republican who defends Trump and the actions taken by Giuliani and Sondland at his direction, and the cowardly inaction by Pompeo, and criticizes Yovanovitch, Taylor, Kent, Holmes, and Vindman is deplorable and un-American. This is weakening the U.S. reputation and influence around the world and emboldening corrupt actors, foreign and domestic, who see how easily the U.S. President can be bribed to go against U.S. interests with nothing more than made-up political allegations.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Some quotes from today
do not understand Mr Giuliani’s motives for attacking me,” she said, referring to the president’s personal lawyer, Rudy Giuliani. “What I can say is that Mr. Giuliani should have known those claims were suspect, coming as they reportedly did from individuals with questionable motives and with reason to believe that their political and financial ambitions would be stymied by our anti-corruption policy in Ukraine.”

Yovanovitch calmly refuted an argument by Republican counsel Steve Castor that Trump was legitimately concerned about influential Ukrainians being “out to get the president.”

“I can’t speak for what President Trump thought or what others thought. I would just say that those elements that you’ve recited don’t seem to me to be kind of a plan or a plot of the Ukrainian government to work against President Trump or anyone else. I mean, they’re isolated incidents. We all know – I’m going to find out myself – that public life can be, you know, people are critical. That does not mean that someone or a government is undermining either a campaign or interfering with elections. And I would just remind again that our own U.S. intelligence community has conclusively determined that those who interfered with the election were in Russia.”

“While I obviously don’t dispute that the president has the right to withdraw an ambassador at any time ... what I do wonder is - why it was necessary to smear my reputation?”

Ambassador Badass. Calmly sticking to the facts in the face of the crazy. Bringing sorely needed dignity, gravitas, experience and knowledge.

[Anonymous]

Can anyone offer an explanation as to why Trump and co smeared the ambassador? She’s right, he can make a change at any time. Why did they go through all of the theatrics? They could still move forward with their corrupt and treasonous scheme without the character assassination.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Can anyone offer an explanation as to why Trump and co smeared the ambassador? She’s right, he can make a change at any time. Why did they go through all of the theatrics? They could still move forward with their corrupt and treasonous scheme without the character assassination.

I guess it would have raised serious questions to remove her when she had a stellar reputation and was doing great things in Ukraine. They felt they needed a reason to get rid of her, and not being Trumps enough was the best they could think of. Better than planting drugs on her I guess.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Doug Lamborn R-Colorado starting to throw Rudy Giuliani under the bus

https://twitter.com/jeremyschulman/status/1195380600464654339

Any Republican senator who is trying this hard to protect Trump HAS TO be himself compromised by the Russians. There's really no other explanation at this point.

Yes, this.

Russian money went to the NRA which went to Representatives like him. Also, look at his constituents. Look at a map of his district. Absolute Trump country.

These weasels just want to stay in office. Our system rewards egocentric psychos. It's time for term limits.

As others have posited, the Russians hacked the DNC and RNC at the same time. Only the DNC emails were weaponized and used during the 2016 election cycle. The working theory is the RNC emails have been held over the GOP ever since. As has been suggested, there is likely proof in the emails of vote manipulation going back to 2000. There is really no other rationale for what is happening.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Can anyone offer an explanation as to why Trump and co smeared the ambassador? She’s right, he can make a change at any time. Why did they go through all of the theatrics? They could still move forward with their corrupt and treasonous scheme without the character assassination.

The state department had been extending her tenure because she was very good at what she was doing. The smear by trump and the others was to bring her reputation down so they could kick her out. Also none of these people had experience with foreign affairs and knew WTF they were doing or what the result would be. They are all criminals and conmen so ... they did what they THOUGHT would work.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Doug Lamborn R-Colorado starting to throw Rudy Giuliani under the bus

https://twitter.com/jeremyschulman/status/1195380600464654339

Any Republican senator who is trying this hard to protect Trump HAS TO be himself compromised by the Russians. There's really no other explanation at this point.

Yes, this.

Russian money went to the NRA which went to Representatives like him. Also, look at his constituents. Look at a map of his district. Absolute Trump country.

These weasels just want to stay in office. Our system rewards egocentric psychos. It's time for term limits.

As others have posited, the Russians hacked the DNC and RNC at the same time. Only the DNC emails were weaponized and used during the 2016 election cycle. The working theory is the RNC emails have been held over the GOP ever since. As has been suggested, there is likely proof in the emails of vote manipulation going back to 2000. There is really no other rationale for what is happening.

Makes sense. It has to be bigger than just Trump.

[Anonymous]

Bigotry, stupidity, greed.

Those who still support trump fall into at least one of these. Period.

[Anonymous]

The idea that the Russians have emails they are holding over the Rs heads make sense.

If the Rs weren't compromised, they would have already taken Trump out. They have never had such a clusterf for a president before. EVERY SINGLE thing he does weakens our strength as a country on this planet. Every thing is against Pentagon official's recommendations. He is either a total idiot and being played by Putin, or he is compromised by Putin and doesn't give a crap. I don't care which it is anymore, but Rs need to get him out before he destroys us.

And they are prancing around with theatrical soundbites, ranting and grandstanding bullshit instead of doing their jobs. The "base" who loves Trump is shrinking because most Americans are smart enough to wake up and see he is screwing us over.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here is why David Holmes (and others) testimony about the Sondland call is so important:

https://twitter.com/ThePlumLineGS/status/1195663242414215168

Basically, it takes two of the major GOP talking points out of play and further implicates Trump directly in the scheme.

The American public will understand exactly what this is, and there is no deflection or propgandizing around it. It puts all of the GOP Senate who are up for election at risk, particularly Graham and McConnell - who are both already unpopular in their states; and it certainly puts Trump at risk in terms of holding the White House.

Despite the 'lack of pizzazz' quip, the American public is watching these proceedings, it is on in all of the airports and restaurants in real time across the country, even if people aren't glued to their TVs, they are being exposed to it. With testimony solid through Thanksgiving, and then a Thanksgiving holiday where debate will be had among family, it will be very hard for the GOP to come out of this with public opinion in tow. Trump has lost the narrative, the GOP in the House has no consistent means of defense, and witness testimony undercuts the defense being made.

There are two ways this can go - either Trump is removed from office (and possibly Pence too, since it now being reported that he personally shook down Zelenskyy on September 1st) or else Trump and most of the GOP get voted out of office in November and for a generation thereafter.

The only thing that changes that is if the dems are too incompetent to nominate someone who can take advantage of the political landscape, or if something happens/is created to be catalytic that forces the continuation of the Presidency (a war, martial law - something nefarious/dark)

Good analysis up until last para. You act as though the Democratic Party leaders select the candidate. People do.

Yep, but we’ll never get a viable candidate if we keep tacking to the far left.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here is why David Holmes (and others) testimony about the Sondland call is so important:

https://twitter.com/ThePlumLineGS/status/1195663242414215168

Basically, it takes two of the major GOP talking points out of play and further implicates Trump directly in the scheme.

The American public will understand exactly what this is, and there is no deflection or propgandizing around it. It puts all of the GOP Senate who are up for election at risk, particularly Graham and McConnell - who are both already unpopular in their states; and it certainly puts Trump at risk in terms of holding the White House.

Despite the 'lack of pizzazz' quip, the American public is watching these proceedings, it is on in all of the airports and restaurants in real time across the country, even if people aren't glued to their TVs, they are being exposed to it. With testimony solid through Thanksgiving, and then a Thanksgiving holiday where debate will be had among family, it will be very hard for the GOP to come out of this with public opinion in tow. Trump has lost the narrative, the GOP in the House has no consistent means of defense, and witness testimony undercuts the defense being made.

There are two ways this can go - either Trump is removed from office (and possibly Pence too, since it now being reported that he personally shook down Zelenskyy on September 1st) or else Trump and most of the GOP get voted out of office in November and for a generation thereafter.

The only thing that changes that is if the dems are too incompetent to nominate someone who can take advantage of the political landscape, or if something happens/is created to be catalytic that forces the continuation of the Presidency (a war, martial law - something nefarious/dark)

Good analysis up until last para. You act as though the Democratic Party leaders select the candidate. People do.

Yep, but we’ll never get a viable candidate if we keep tacking to the far left.

The "far left" today is the republican party of the 50s and 60s.