Option H is permanent and the old Wootton HS campus will be closed for good?

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Anonymous wrote:The big winner in this situation will be private schools. Parents who are unhappy with the new school boundaries, and are affluent enough to do so, will simply send their kids to private schools. Unfortunately not everyone can afford that. Some families will end up in a less desirable academic situation with no ability to buy their way out. Montgomery county will have one less top rated school.

It’s so interesting cus they want to destroy it but they also love to publish it as a top rated school. Make it make sense.

Yawn.

This PP doesn’t care about the loss of a top school because s/he doesn’t live in Wootton.

MCPS wants to lift and shift Wootton kids to Crown, then change the name of Crown to Wootton in order to continue to trade on its reputation as a top school. This is what the developers around Crown want too because they can sell their townhomes at top dollar to gullible buyers. Why do you think the land for Crown (prime real estate) was given to MCPS for free?

Seems like the seeds for Option H were planted years ago, coupled with removing Wootton from the CIP and building neglect to encourage Wootton families to accept Crown. This would move the “Wootton” boundaries to where MCPS wanted them years ago through boundary studies but which Wootton parents strongly opposed. It would also cover up the risk of under enrollment at Crown and save $100M+ in renovation costs for the current Wootton building (which could be funneled into other pet projects).

MCPS doesn’t see Option H as a loss of a top school. It’s a win for them on multiple fronts.

Not the referenced pp. But when you put it this way, I'm sold! MCPS is completely unfair with some kids getting "top" schools and other kids getting, what, "bottom" schools? Step back and think of this in terms of morality and public policy rather than your own kid. If you were behind a veil of ignorance (you didn't know which school your own kid was in) would you intentionally design a system where there are "top" and "bottom" schools?

The bolded bit is the best argument I've seen in favor of Option H!

Your bias is showing. You know exactly what the PP meant. Care to explain how Wootton became a top performing school?

Hint: it wasn’t because MCPS funneled resources to Wootton at the expense of other schools.

Write it yourself. I dare you.

My question was to you because you claimed “MCPS is completely unfair with some kids getting "top" schools and other kids getting, what, "bottom" schools? … intentionally design a system where there are "top" and "bottom" schools?“

You clearly think MCPS is behind Wootton’s success and that it did so by taking away from other schools. Alternatively, you think Wootton is unfair by succeeding where other schools are failing, and you want to redistribute that success. Back up your argument or back away from it.

Your move.

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Anonymous wrote:The big winner in this situation will be private schools. Parents who are unhappy with the new school boundaries, and are affluent enough to do so, will simply send their kids to private schools. Unfortunately not everyone can afford that. Some families will end up in a less desirable academic situation with no ability to buy their way out. Montgomery county will have one less top rated school.

It’s so interesting cus they want to destroy it but they also love to publish it as a top rated school. Make it make sense.

DESTROY

Well, the new Crown won’t be the same as the existing Wootton, so what other word would you use?

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Anonymous wrote:The big winner in this situation will be private schools. Parents who are unhappy with the new school boundaries, and are affluent enough to do so, will simply send their kids to private schools. Unfortunately not everyone can afford that. Some families will end up in a less desirable academic situation with no ability to buy their way out. Montgomery county will have one less top rated school.

It’s so interesting cus they want to destroy it but they also love to publish it as a top rated school. Make it make sense.

Yawn.

This PP doesn’t care about the loss of a top school because s/he doesn’t live in Wootton.

MCPS wants to lift and shift Wootton kids to Crown, then change the name of Crown to Wootton in order to continue to trade on its reputation as a top school. This is what the developers around Crown want too because they can sell their townhomes at top dollar to gullible buyers. Why do you think the land for Crown (prime real estate) was given to MCPS for free?

Seems like the seeds for Option H were planted years ago, coupled with removing Wootton from the CIP and building neglect to encourage Wootton families to accept Crown. This would move the “Wootton” boundaries to where MCPS wanted them years ago through boundary studies but which Wootton parents strongly opposed. It would also cover up the risk of under enrollment at Crown and save $100M+ in renovation costs for the current Wootton building (which could be funneled into other pet projects).

MCPS doesn’t see Option H as a loss of a top school. It’s a win for them on multiple fronts.

Not the referenced pp. But when you put it this way, I'm sold! MCPS is completely unfair with some kids getting "top" schools and other kids getting, what, "bottom" schools? Step back and think of this in terms of morality and public policy rather than your own kid. If you were behind a veil of ignorance (you didn't know which school your own kid was in) would you intentionally design a system where there are "top" and "bottom" schools?

The bolded bit is the best argument I've seen in favor of Option H!

Your bias is showing. You know exactly what the PP meant. Care to explain how Wootton became a top performing school?

Hint: it wasn’t because MCPS funneled resources to Wootton at the expense of other schools.

Write it yourself. I dare you.

My question was to you because you claimed “MCPS is completely unfair with some kids getting "top" schools and other kids getting, what, "bottom" schools? … intentionally design a system where there are "top" and "bottom" schools?“

You clearly think MCPS is behind Wootton’s success and that it did so by taking away from other schools. Alternatively, you think Wootton is unfair by succeeding where other schools are failing, and you want to redistribute that success. Back up your argument or back away from it.

Your move.

So you don't want to share why you think that Wootton became a top performing school? Clearly you have a theory, given you gave a "hint."

[Anonymous]

I come and go from this thread and have not kept up but just want to say again - I AM A WOOTTON PARENT THAT IS FOR OPTION H - it makes the most fiscal sense. New building and we do not need two big schools. Wootton can sit as did Northwood and Woodward till a need comes for it to reopen.

Also, the current Wootton population has space in the old building for more students let alone the new building so we welcome with open arms Jones Lane elementary and/or whoever else puts us at or near capacity.

Looking forward to the change and getting out of that old building!

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Anonymous wrote:I come and go from this thread and have not kept up but just want to say again - I AM A WOOTTON PARENT THAT IS FOR OPTION H - it makes the most fiscal sense. New building and we do not need two big schools. Wootton can sit as did Northwood and Woodward till a need comes for it to reopen.

Also, the current Wootton population has space in the old building for more students let alone the new building so we welcome with open arms Jones Lane elementary and/or whoever else puts us at or near capacity.

Looking forward to the change and getting out of that old building!

This is why we have problems with who gets elected in this area-it’s because of uninformed people like you who don’t even know what the actual options are. Jones Lane Elementary? That’s not even a hypothetical proposed elementary to be added. Not now or down the line. You clearly don’t even know what’s going on. Maybe you should attend the meeting today so you can at least familiarize yourself with the actual information.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I come and go from this thread and have not kept up but just want to say again - I AM A WOOTTON PARENT THAT IS FOR OPTION H - it makes the most fiscal sense. New building and we do not need two big schools. Wootton can sit as did Northwood and Woodward till a need comes for it to reopen.

Also, the current Wootton population has space in the old building for more students let alone the new building so we welcome with open arms Jones Lane elementary and/or whoever else puts us at or near capacity.

Looking forward to the change and getting out of that old building!

Can you qualify this is what elementary school you're zoned for?

Because remember everything is still under discussion and review and new proposals may also come out in the next several weeks.

So maybe if MCPS sees that there is a good faction of families willing to go to Crown, they can come up with something to make everyone happy.

ie draw in your elementary school, Jones Lane ES (don't know how this school got drawn in the conversation), Fields Road ES and Rosemont to Crown HS.

This frees up Wootton to take in portions of Churchill, helping it with it's overcrowding issues and maybe have Horizon Hill returned to it, making some of the older Horizon Hills residents happy.

The Crown location is going to open either way but it's not hard to fill it with the immediate surrounding areas without closing Wootton.

Having to close Wootton is questionable. Where one would hope/think that MCPS had the budget to keep it open and running down the road, even if it's held together by ducttape. Unless there really had been a plan for a while to close it and is why they never devoted funds to it.

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Anonymous wrote:The big winner in this situation will be private schools. Parents who are unhappy with the new school boundaries, and are affluent enough to do so, will simply send their kids to private schools. Unfortunately not everyone can afford that. Some families will end up in a less desirable academic situation with no ability to buy their way out. Montgomery county will have one less top rated school.

It’s so interesting cus they want to destroy it but they also love to publish it as a top rated school. Make it make sense.

Yawn.

This PP doesn’t care about the loss of a top school because s/he doesn’t live in Wootton.

MCPS wants to lift and shift Wootton kids to Crown, then change the name of Crown to Wootton in order to continue to trade on its reputation as a top school. This is what the developers around Crown want too because they can sell their townhomes at top dollar to gullible buyers. Why do you think the land for Crown (prime real estate) was given to MCPS for free?

Seems like the seeds for Option H were planted years ago, coupled with removing Wootton from the CIP and building neglect to encourage Wootton families to accept Crown. This would move the “Wootton” boundaries to where MCPS wanted them years ago through boundary studies but which Wootton parents strongly opposed. It would also cover up the risk of under enrollment at Crown and save $100M+ in renovation costs for the current Wootton building (which could be funneled into other pet projects).

MCPS doesn’t see Option H as a loss of a top school. It’s a win for them on multiple fronts.

Not the referenced pp. But when you put it this way, I'm sold! MCPS is completely unfair with some kids getting "top" schools and other kids getting, what, "bottom" schools? Step back and think of this in terms of morality and public policy rather than your own kid. If you were behind a veil of ignorance (you didn't know which school your own kid was in) would you intentionally design a system where there are "top" and "bottom" schools?

The bolded bit is the best argument I've seen in favor of Option H!

Your bias is showing. You know exactly what the PP meant. Care to explain how Wootton became a top performing school?

Hint: it wasn’t because MCPS funneled resources to Wootton at the expense of other schools.

Write it yourself. I dare you.

My question was to you because you claimed “MCPS is completely unfair with some kids getting "top" schools and other kids getting, what, "bottom" schools? … intentionally design a system where there are "top" and "bottom" schools?“

You clearly think MCPS is behind Wootton’s success and that it did so by taking away from other schools. Alternatively, you think Wootton is unfair by succeeding where other schools are failing, and you want to redistribute that success. Back up your argument or back away from it.

Your move.

So you don't want to share why you think that Wootton became a top performing school? Clearly you have a theory, given you gave a "hint."

DP, but i’ll take a crack at it. It’s a strong PTA. I have never seen a top school that doesn’t have a strong PTA-yet the very low performing schools almost all have non existent or incredibly inactive PTA’s. There seems to be a direct correlation between that and student success.

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Anonymous wrote:The big winner in this situation will be private schools. Parents who are unhappy with the new school boundaries, and are affluent enough to do so, will simply send their kids to private schools. Unfortunately not everyone can afford that. Some families will end up in a less desirable academic situation with no ability to buy their way out. Montgomery county will have one less top rated school.

It’s so interesting cus they want to destroy it but they also love to publish it as a top rated school. Make it make sense.

DESTROY

Well, the new Crown won’t be the same as the existing Wootton, so what other word would you use?

Don’t even bother. They have done this every time someone has used that word to emphasize how “over dramatic” everyone is being. For people that can see Wootton from their house-yeah it’s dramatic. The high school is part of our neighborhood so yes destroy is the correct word.

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Anonymous wrote:I come and go from this thread and have not kept up but just want to say again - I AM A WOOTTON PARENT THAT IS FOR OPTION H - it makes the most fiscal sense. New building and we do not need two big schools. Wootton can sit as did Northwood and Woodward till a need comes for it to reopen.

Also, the current Wootton population has space in the old building for more students let alone the new building so we welcome with open arms Jones Lane elementary and/or whoever else puts us at or near capacity.

Looking forward to the change and getting out of that old building!

Can you qualify this is what elementary school you're zoned for?

Because remember everything is still under discussion and review and new proposals may also come out in the next several weeks.

So maybe if MCPS sees that there is a good faction of families willing to go to Crown, they can come up with something to make everyone happy.

ie draw in your elementary school, Jones Lane ES (don't know how this school got drawn in the conversation), Fields Road ES and Rosemont to Crown HS.

This frees up Wootton to take in portions of Churchill, helping it with it's overcrowding issues and maybe have Horizon Hill returned to it, making some of the older Horizon Hills residents happy.

The Crown location is going to open either way but it's not hard to fill it with the immediate surrounding areas without closing Wootton.

Having to close Wootton is questionable. Where one would hope/think that MCPS had the budget to keep it open and running down the road, even if it's held together by ducttape. Unless there really had been a plan for a while to close it and is why they never devoted funds to it.

Or can previous can start a petition with their name attached to it. Just to prove that they stand behind it and to see how many people stands with them.

At the very least, they'll have some posters from this thread, who are not currently zoned for Wootton, support them.

Otherwise we'll have to question if the previous poster is a troll or not.

How did Jones Lane ES get included in this?

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Anonymous wrote:The big winner in this situation will be private schools. Parents who are unhappy with the new school boundaries, and are affluent enough to do so, will simply send their kids to private schools. Unfortunately not everyone can afford that. Some families will end up in a less desirable academic situation with no ability to buy their way out. Montgomery county will have one less top rated school.

It’s so interesting cus they want to destroy it but they also love to publish it as a top rated school. Make it make sense.

Yawn.

This PP doesn’t care about the loss of a top school because s/he doesn’t live in Wootton.

MCPS wants to lift and shift Wootton kids to Crown, then change the name of Crown to Wootton in order to continue to trade on its reputation as a top school. This is what the developers around Crown want too because they can sell their townhomes at top dollar to gullible buyers. Why do you think the land for Crown (prime real estate) was given to MCPS for free?

Seems like the seeds for Option H were planted years ago, coupled with removing Wootton from the CIP and building neglect to encourage Wootton families to accept Crown. This would move the “Wootton” boundaries to where MCPS wanted them years ago through boundary studies but which Wootton parents strongly opposed. It would also cover up the risk of under enrollment at Crown and save $100M+ in renovation costs for the current Wootton building (which could be funneled into other pet projects).

MCPS doesn’t see Option H as a loss of a top school. It’s a win for them on multiple fronts.

Not the referenced pp. But when you put it this way, I'm sold! MCPS is completely unfair with some kids getting "top" schools and other kids getting, what, "bottom" schools? Step back and think of this in terms of morality and public policy rather than your own kid. If you were behind a veil of ignorance (you didn't know which school your own kid was in) would you intentionally design a system where there are "top" and "bottom" schools?

The bolded bit is the best argument I've seen in favor of Option H!

Your bias is showing. You know exactly what the PP meant. Care to explain how Wootton became a top performing school?

Hint: it wasn’t because MCPS funneled resources to Wootton at the expense of other schools.

Write it yourself. I dare you.

My question was to you because you claimed “MCPS is completely unfair with some kids getting "top" schools and other kids getting, what, "bottom" schools? … intentionally design a system where there are "top" and "bottom" schools?“

You clearly think MCPS is behind Wootton’s success and that it did so by taking away from other schools. Alternatively, you think Wootton is unfair by succeeding where other schools are failing, and you want to redistribute that success. Back up your argument or back away from it.

Your move.

So you don't want to share why you think that Wootton became a top performing school? Clearly you have a theory, given you gave a "hint."

DP, but i’ll take a crack at it. It’s a strong PTA. I have never seen a top school that doesn’t have a strong PTA-yet the very low performing schools almost all have non existent or incredibly inactive PTA’s. There seems to be a direct correlation between that and student success.

Thanks for this response. It does make some sense.
Is there reason to believe that the PTA will be any less strong if the physical location of the school building moves? Or even if more students are added to the population?

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Anonymous wrote:I come and go from this thread and have not kept up but just want to say again - I AM A WOOTTON PARENT THAT IS FOR OPTION H - it makes the most fiscal sense. New building and we do not need two big schools. Wootton can sit as did Northwood and Woodward till a need comes for it to reopen.

Also, the current Wootton population has space in the old building for more students let alone the new building so we welcome with open arms Jones Lane elementary and/or whoever else puts us at or near capacity.

Looking forward to the change and getting out of that old building!

This is why we have problems with who gets elected in this area-it’s because of uninformed people like you who don’t even know what the actual options are. Jones Lane Elementary? That’s not even a hypothetical proposed elementary to be added. Not now or down the line. You clearly don’t even know what’s going on. Maybe you should attend the meeting today so you can at least familiarize yourself with the actual information.

Sorry me again I meant Fields Road not Jones Lane my bad!!!

The point still stands though. We welcome any schools that get us to capacity, not over crowded but capacity. We close Wootton and wait till it is necessary to reopen. Again, as has been done many times before, Northwood, Woodward etc.

And for those wondering we are a Cold Spring, Cabin John, Wootton family.

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Anonymous wrote:I come and go from this thread and have not kept up but just want to say again - I AM A WOOTTON PARENT THAT IS FOR OPTION H - it makes the most fiscal sense. New building and we do not need two big schools. Wootton can sit as did Northwood and Woodward till a need comes for it to reopen.

Also, the current Wootton population has space in the old building for more students let alone the new building so we welcome with open arms Jones Lane elementary and/or whoever else puts us at or near capacity.

Looking forward to the change and getting out of that old building!

Can you qualify this is what elementary school you're zoned for?

Because remember everything is still under discussion and review and new proposals may also come out in the next several weeks.

So maybe if MCPS sees that there is a good faction of families willing to go to Crown, they can come up with something to make everyone happy.

ie draw in your elementary school, Jones Lane ES (don't know how this school got drawn in the conversation), Fields Road ES and Rosemont to Crown HS.

This frees up Wootton to take in portions of Churchill, helping it with it's overcrowding issues and maybe have Horizon Hill returned to it, making some of the older Horizon Hills residents happy.

The Crown location is going to open either way but it's not hard to fill it with the immediate surrounding areas without closing Wootton.

Having to close Wootton is questionable. Where one would hope/think that MCPS had the budget to keep it open and running down the road, even if it's held together by ducttape. Unless there really had been a plan for a while to close it and is why they never devoted funds to it.

Two points here

- not sure why you think Horizon Hill wants to come back to Wootton. All the families I know that live there chose it because it goes to RM and love RM.

- as you said Crown has to open given the developer demands and MCPS had to take them up on it. Wootton does not have to remain open so close it down and move on until the time comes that you need it again.

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Anonymous wrote:I come and go from this thread and have not kept up but just want to say again - I AM A WOOTTON PARENT THAT IS FOR OPTION H - it makes the most fiscal sense. New building and we do not need two big schools. Wootton can sit as did Northwood and Woodward till a need comes for it to reopen.

Also, the current Wootton population has space in the old building for more students let alone the new building so we welcome with open arms Jones Lane elementary and/or whoever else puts us at or near capacity.

Looking forward to the change and getting out of that old building!

This is why we have problems with who gets elected in this area-it’s because of uninformed people like you who don’t even know what the actual options are. Jones Lane Elementary? That’s not even a hypothetical proposed elementary to be added. Not now or down the line. You clearly don’t even know what’s going on. Maybe you should attend the meeting today so you can at least familiarize yourself with the actual information.

Sorry me again I meant Fields Road not Jones Lane my bad!!!

The point still stands though. We welcome any schools that get us to capacity, not over crowded but capacity. We close Wootton and wait till it is necessary to reopen. Again, as has been done many times before, Northwood, Woodward etc.

And for those wondering we are a Cold Spring, Cabin John, Wootton family.

Okay just remember that Option H may not be implemented as is.

And any changes they do decide to make, may end up squeezing out a current school, which is one of the reasons a lot of families are concerned and skeptical.

Being in Cold Spring, which I think is 20854, your area is a prime candidate to get squeezed out. Due to proximity to the Crown HS location and your small school size.

So your area could end up getting rezoned to RM or Churchill. Both are great schools and isn't a bad situation.

But is a possibility you need to be aware of.

MCPS should add Fields Road ES to Crown HS or at least send it to QO. Definitely not to Gaithersburg HS, which already has capacity issues and a relatively high FARMS rate. And they can probably add more areas in the Gaithersburg area, which Crown was originally intended for. So with these addiions, some current Wootton areas may not fit in.

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Wait, why would Jones Lane go to Crown? That's a hike for them. I have not seen that suggested anywhere.

I think the idea of moving Wootton en masse is stupid. Some of the Wootton neighborhoods are genuinely pretty far from Crown. It's not as simple as saying a couple miles. We all know how long it can take to travel a couple miles in this area. And there are lots of neighborhoods closer to Crown that would benefit from attending that school, and that have been looking forward to it.

MCPS should do what it originally set out to do - create zones that alleviate overcrowding and make sense geographically. Yes, that would probably move some Wootton neighborhoods to Crown, along with QO and GHS neighborhoods, and some Churchill and RM neighborhoods to Wootton. But that is the best way to achieve the best outcome for the largest number of people. If Wootton has to be closed for some reason (personally, I suspect the condition isn't that bad or it wouldn't have been passed over so often for reno), then at least rezone the Wootton neighborhoods in a way that makes geographic sense. The southern Wootton neighborhoods should go to RM and Churchill, the northern to Crown, not that that helps with overcrowding.

I understand why Wootton families in the southern neighborhoods are ticked - could be a 40 minute roundtrip to school for them. That's kind of ridiculous.when there are 3 high schools in more reasonable proximity to them. I think we'd all be pissed off in the same situation if we're honest with ourselves and put down our swords. A 30-45 minute roundtrip could be genuinely problematic if your kid misses the bus, stays late for an activity or to watch a game, needs to be picked up for a doctor's appointment, etc. This would be a real burden on lots of families.

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Anonymous wrote:I come and go from this thread and have not kept up but just want to say again - I AM A WOOTTON PARENT THAT IS FOR OPTION H - it makes the most fiscal sense. New building and we do not need two big schools. Wootton can sit as did Northwood and Woodward till a need comes for it to reopen.

Also, the current Wootton population has space in the old building for more students let alone the new building so we welcome with open arms Jones Lane elementary and/or whoever else puts us at or near capacity.

Looking forward to the change and getting out of that old building!

Can you qualify this is what elementary school you're zoned for?

Because remember everything is still under discussion and review and new proposals may also come out in the next several weeks.

So maybe if MCPS sees that there is a good faction of families willing to go to Crown, they can come up with something to make everyone happy.

ie draw in your elementary school, Jones Lane ES (don't know how this school got drawn in the conversation), Fields Road ES and Rosemont to Crown HS.

This frees up Wootton to take in portions of Churchill, helping it with it's overcrowding issues and maybe have Horizon Hill returned to it, making some of the older Horizon Hills residents happy.

The Crown location is going to open either way but it's not hard to fill it with the immediate surrounding areas without closing Wootton.

Having to close Wootton is questionable. Where one would hope/think that MCPS had the budget to keep it open and running down the road, even if it's held together by ducttape. Unless there really had been a plan for a while to close it and is why they never devoted funds to it.

Most of HH don't want to go to Wootton. Most of the ones who want HH to go back to Wootton don't even have kids in school anymore.

-signed HH parent