Official TJ Admissions Decisions Results for the Class of 2025

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Uncle. I've seen references to the purchase of test answers, but can someone point me to the source of this accusation? Or is it just alleged without any evidence? As a father whose daughter has take summer and weekend classes to ensure competency, I grow weary of these types of comments...


It's not quite correct to say that folks who went to Curie paid $4-5K for the answers to the old TJ exam.

What is correct is that students who took the TJ exam in the class of 2023 and 2024 reported having seen the questions that were on their TJ exam (specifically on the Quant-Q, which is supposed to be a secured exam with no prep available) during their time at Curie. Now, whether they actually did or not is another question entirely, but it's hard to imagine why a TJ student would openly admit that they had seen the questions before in a public forum if it weren't true.


More likely students saw similar questions. Curie either had previous exams, or they made up their own exams based on either previous exams they got a hold of or what students told them about the exams. It's also possible the Quant-Q people were so lazy they just reused questions verbatim.


Agree. Also, regarding the lack of available prep, please see this: https://www.amazon.com/New-TJHSST-Math-Workbook-Advanced/dp/1794340904. So it would seem that the assertion is questionable. Just a bit irritating of how preparation is somehow considered unfair. It's much easier to accuse parents of purchasing TJ admission, and totally dismissing the effort of those that do prepare. All in the past now...
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Uncle. I've seen references to the purchase of test answers, but can someone point me to the source of this accusation? Or is it just alleged without any evidence? As a father whose daughter has take summer and weekend classes to ensure competency, I grow weary of these types of comments...


It's not quite correct to say that folks who went to Curie paid $4-5K for the answers to the old TJ exam.

What is correct is that students who took the TJ exam in the class of 2023 and 2024 reported having seen the questions that were on their TJ exam (specifically on the Quant-Q, which is supposed to be a secured exam with no prep available) during their time at Curie. Now, whether they actually did or not is another question entirely, but it's hard to imagine why a TJ student would openly admit that they had seen the questions before in a public forum if it weren't true.


More likely students saw similar questions. Curie either had previous exams, or they made up their own exams based on either previous exams they got a hold of or what students told them about the exams. It's also possible the Quant-Q people were so lazy they just reused questions verbatim.


Agree. Also, regarding the lack of available prep, please see this: https://www.amazon.com/New-TJHSST-Math-Workbook-Advanced/dp/1794340904. So it would seem that the assertion is questionable. Just a bit irritating of how preparation is somehow considered unfair. It's much easier to accuse parents of purchasing TJ admission, and totally dismissing the effort of those that do prepare. All in the past now...


I thought this was obvious and ignored as well. Preparation for math you expect to be on a test and getting the test and answers beforehand are very, very different. The wokies try to equate the two to make themselves feel better about an indefensible position on competitive admissions.
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Uncle. I've seen references to the purchase of test answers, but can someone point me to the source of this accusation? Or is it just alleged without any evidence? As a father whose daughter has take summer and weekend classes to ensure competency, I grow weary of these types of comments...


It's not quite correct to say that folks who went to Curie paid $4-5K for the answers to the old TJ exam.

What is correct is that students who took the TJ exam in the class of 2023 and 2024 reported having seen the questions that were on their TJ exam (specifically on the Quant-Q, which is supposed to be a secured exam with no prep available) during their time at Curie. Now, whether they actually did or not is another question entirely, but it's hard to imagine why a TJ student would openly admit that they had seen the questions before in a public forum if it weren't true.


More likely students saw similar questions. Curie either had previous exams, or they made up their own exams based on either previous exams they got a hold of or what students told them about the exams. It's also possible the Quant-Q people were so lazy they just reused questions verbatim.


Agree. Also, regarding the lack of available prep, please see this: https://www.amazon.com/New-TJHSST-Math-Workbook-Advanced/dp/1794340904. So it would seem that the assertion is questionable. Just a bit irritating of how preparation is somehow considered unfair. It's much easier to accuse parents of purchasing TJ admission, and totally dismissing the effort of those that do prepare. All in the past now...


I thought this was obvious and ignored as well. Preparation for math you expect to be on a test and getting the test and answers beforehand are very, very different. The wokies try to equate the two to make themselves feel better about an indefensible position on competitive admissions.


Several of the popular prep places have been accused of providing their students with the questions ahead of time, but regardless prep does confer a real advantage to those who can afford it.
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Uncle. I've seen references to the purchase of test answers, but can someone point me to the source of this accusation? Or is it just alleged without any evidence? As a father whose daughter has take summer and weekend classes to ensure competency, I grow weary of these types of comments...


It's not quite correct to say that folks who went to Curie paid $4-5K for the answers to the old TJ exam.

What is correct is that students who took the TJ exam in the class of 2023 and 2024 reported having seen the questions that were on their TJ exam (specifically on the Quant-Q, which is supposed to be a secured exam with no prep available) during their time at Curie. Now, whether they actually did or not is another question entirely, but it's hard to imagine why a TJ student would openly admit that they had seen the questions before in a public forum if it weren't true.


More likely students saw similar questions. Curie either had previous exams, or they made up their own exams based on either previous exams they got a hold of or what students told them about the exams. It's also possible the Quant-Q people were so lazy they just reused questions verbatim.


Agree. Also, regarding the lack of available prep, please see this: https://www.amazon.com/New-TJHSST-Math-Workbook-Advanced/dp/1794340904. So it would seem that the assertion is questionable. Just a bit irritating of how preparation is somehow considered unfair. It's much easier to accuse parents of purchasing TJ admission, and totally dismissing the effort of those that do prepare. All in the past now...


I thought this was obvious and ignored as well. Preparation for math you expect to be on a test and getting the test and answers beforehand are very, very different. The wokies try to equate the two to make themselves feel better about an indefensible position on competitive admissions.


Several of the popular prep places have been accused of providing their students with the questions ahead of time, but regardless prep does confer a real advantage to those who can afford it.



Quit the starbucks, eating out all the time, wasteful expenses, endless media consumption and you can have enough money and time to invest in your kids. of course, it is easier to pull other people down that pull yourself up. and yeah, prepare and work harder too.
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Uncle. I've seen references to the purchase of test answers, but can someone point me to the source of this accusation? Or is it just alleged without any evidence? As a father whose daughter has take summer and weekend classes to ensure competency, I grow weary of these types of comments...


It's not quite correct to say that folks who went to Curie paid $4-5K for the answers to the old TJ exam.

What is correct is that students who took the TJ exam in the class of 2023 and 2024 reported having seen the questions that were on their TJ exam (specifically on the Quant-Q, which is supposed to be a secured exam with no prep available) during their time at Curie. Now, whether they actually did or not is another question entirely, but it's hard to imagine why a TJ student would openly admit that they had seen the questions before in a public forum if it weren't true.


More likely students saw similar questions. Curie either had previous exams, or they made up their own exams based on either previous exams they got a hold of or what students told them about the exams. It's also possible the Quant-Q people were so lazy they just reused questions verbatim.


Agree. Also, regarding the lack of available prep, please see this: https://www.amazon.com/New-TJHSST-Math-Workbook-Advanced/dp/1794340904. So it would seem that the assertion is questionable. Just a bit irritating of how preparation is somehow considered unfair. It's much easier to accuse parents of purchasing TJ admission, and totally dismissing the effort of those that do prepare. All in the past now...


I thought this was obvious and ignored as well. Preparation for math you expect to be on a test and getting the test and answers beforehand are very, very different. The wokies try to equate the two to make themselves feel better about an indefensible position on competitive admissions.


Several of the popular prep places have been accused of providing their students with the questions ahead of time, but regardless prep does confer a real advantage to those who can afford it.



Quit the starbucks, eating out all the time, wasteful expenses, endless media consumption and you can have enough money and time to invest in your kids. of course, it is easier to pull other people down that pull yourself up. and yeah, prepare and work harder too.


Yeowza. I was going to respond with similar sentiments though worded a bit differently . Though sometimes, the most direct path is the best. Kudos.
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Uncle. I've seen references to the purchase of test answers, but can someone point me to the source of this accusation? Or is it just alleged without any evidence? As a father whose daughter has take summer and weekend classes to ensure competency, I grow weary of these types of comments...


It's not quite correct to say that folks who went to Curie paid $4-5K for the answers to the old TJ exam.

What is correct is that students who took the TJ exam in the class of 2023 and 2024 reported having seen the questions that were on their TJ exam (specifically on the Quant-Q, which is supposed to be a secured exam with no prep available) during their time at Curie. Now, whether they actually did or not is another question entirely, but it's hard to imagine why a TJ student would openly admit that they had seen the questions before in a public forum if it weren't true.


More likely students saw similar questions. Curie either had previous exams, or they made up their own exams based on either previous exams they got a hold of or what students told them about the exams. It's also possible the Quant-Q people were so lazy they just reused questions verbatim.


Agree. Also, regarding the lack of available prep, please see this: https://www.amazon.com/New-TJHSST-Math-Workbook-Advanced/dp/1794340904. So it would seem that the assertion is questionable. Just a bit irritating of how preparation is somehow considered unfair. It's much easier to accuse parents of purchasing TJ admission, and totally dismissing the effort of those that do prepare. All in the past now...


I thought this was obvious and ignored as well. Preparation for math you expect to be on a test and getting the test and answers beforehand are very, very different. The wokies try to equate the two to make themselves feel better about an indefensible position on competitive admissions.


Several of the popular prep places have been accused of providing their students with the questions ahead of time, but regardless prep does confer a real advantage to those who can afford it.



Quit the starbucks, eating out all the time, wasteful expenses, endless media consumption and you can have enough money and time to invest in your kids. of course, it is easier to pull other people down that pull yourself up. and yeah, prepare and work harder too.


Yeowza. I was going to respond with similar sentiments though worded a bit differently . Though sometimes, the most direct path is the best. Kudos.


I know all that complaining by wokes! I mean come on it's only maybe what $5K to buy the prep needed to get into TJ and nobody wants poors there anyway right?
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Uncle. I've seen references to the purchase of test answers, but can someone point me to the source of this accusation? Or is it just alleged without any evidence? As a father whose daughter has take summer and weekend classes to ensure competency, I grow weary of these types of comments...


It's not quite correct to say that folks who went to Curie paid $4-5K for the answers to the old TJ exam.

What is correct is that students who took the TJ exam in the class of 2023 and 2024 reported having seen the questions that were on their TJ exam (specifically on the Quant-Q, which is supposed to be a secured exam with no prep available) during their time at Curie. Now, whether they actually did or not is another question entirely, but it's hard to imagine why a TJ student would openly admit that they had seen the questions before in a public forum if it weren't true.


More likely students saw similar questions. Curie either had previous exams, or they made up their own exams based on either previous exams they got a hold of or what students told them about the exams. It's also possible the Quant-Q people were so lazy they just reused questions verbatim.


Agree. Also, regarding the lack of available prep, please see this: https://www.amazon.com/New-TJHSST-Math-Workbook-Advanced/dp/1794340904. So it would seem that the assertion is questionable. Just a bit irritating of how preparation is somehow considered unfair. It's much easier to accuse parents of purchasing TJ admission, and totally dismissing the effort of those that do prepare. All in the past now...


I thought this was obvious and ignored as well. Preparation for math you expect to be on a test and getting the test and answers beforehand are very, very different. The wokies try to equate the two to make themselves feel better about an indefensible position on competitive admissions.


Several of the popular prep places have been accused of providing their students with the questions ahead of time, but regardless prep does confer a real advantage to those who can afford it.



Quit the starbucks, eating out all the time, wasteful expenses, endless media consumption and you can have enough money and time to invest in your kids. of course, it is easier to pull other people down that pull yourself up. and yeah, prepare and work harder too.


Yeowza. I was going to respond with similar sentiments though worded a bit differently . Though sometimes, the most direct path is the best. Kudos.


I know all that complaining by wokes! I mean come on it's only maybe what $5K to buy the prep needed to get into TJ and nobody wants poors there anyway right?


Thanks for illustrating all of the previously points in one succinct post.
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Uncle. I've seen references to the purchase of test answers, but can someone point me to the source of this accusation? Or is it just alleged without any evidence? As a father whose daughter has take summer and weekend classes to ensure competency, I grow weary of these types of comments...


It's not quite correct to say that folks who went to Curie paid $4-5K for the answers to the old TJ exam.

What is correct is that students who took the TJ exam in the class of 2023 and 2024 reported having seen the questions that were on their TJ exam (specifically on the Quant-Q, which is supposed to be a secured exam with no prep available) during their time at Curie. Now, whether they actually did or not is another question entirely, but it's hard to imagine why a TJ student would openly admit that they had seen the questions before in a public forum if it weren't true.


More likely students saw similar questions. Curie either had previous exams, or they made up their own exams based on either previous exams they got a hold of or what students told them about the exams. It's also possible the Quant-Q people were so lazy they just reused questions verbatim.


Agree. Also, regarding the lack of available prep, please see this: https://www.amazon.com/New-TJHSST-Math-Workbook-Advanced/dp/1794340904. So it would seem that the assertion is questionable. Just a bit irritating of how preparation is somehow considered unfair. It's much easier to accuse parents of purchasing TJ admission, and totally dismissing the effort of those that do prepare. All in the past now...


I thought this was obvious and ignored as well. Preparation for math you expect to be on a test and getting the test and answers beforehand are very, very different. The wokies try to equate the two to make themselves feel better about an indefensible position on competitive admissions.


Several of the popular prep places have been accused of providing their students with the questions ahead of time, but regardless prep does confer a real advantage to those who can afford it.


Well...I am an immigrant, my family came here with nothing, I have worked since I was 14 and put myself through college and grad school. If I choose to spend my six-figure salary on test prep for my kid, whose business is it of anyone else's? Working hard to prepare for exams is just a part of getting somewhere in life and it makes no sense to me why there should be a penalty for that. FWIW, I am not Asian, so this attitude is by no means limited to this particular community.
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Uncle. I've seen references to the purchase of test answers, but can someone point me to the source of this accusation? Or is it just alleged without any evidence? As a father whose daughter has take summer and weekend classes to ensure competency, I grow weary of these types of comments...


It's not quite correct to say that folks who went to Curie paid $4-5K for the answers to the old TJ exam.

What is correct is that students who took the TJ exam in the class of 2023 and 2024 reported having seen the questions that were on their TJ exam (specifically on the Quant-Q, which is supposed to be a secured exam with no prep available) during their time at Curie. Now, whether they actually did or not is another question entirely, but it's hard to imagine why a TJ student would openly admit that they had seen the questions before in a public forum if it weren't true.


More likely students saw similar questions. Curie either had previous exams, or they made up their own exams based on either previous exams they got a hold of or what students told them about the exams. It's also possible the Quant-Q people were so lazy they just reused questions verbatim.


Agree. Also, regarding the lack of available prep, please see this: https://www.amazon.com/New-TJHSST-Math-Workbook-Advanced/dp/1794340904. So it would seem that the assertion is questionable. Just a bit irritating of how preparation is somehow considered unfair. It's much easier to accuse parents of purchasing TJ admission, and totally dismissing the effort of those that do prepare. All in the past now...


I thought this was obvious and ignored as well. Preparation for math you expect to be on a test and getting the test and answers beforehand are very, very different. The wokies try to equate the two to make themselves feel better about an indefensible position on competitive admissions.


Several of the popular prep places have been accused of providing their students with the questions ahead of time, but regardless prep does confer a real advantage to those who can afford it.


Well...I am an immigrant, my family came here with nothing, I have worked since I was 14 and put myself through college and grad school. If I choose to spend my six-figure salary on test prep for my kid, whose business is it of anyone else's? Working hard to prepare for exams is just a part of getting somewhere in life and it makes no sense to me why there should be a penalty for that. FWIW, I am not Asian, so this attitude is by no means limited to this particular community.


If outside enrichment gives your kid an advantage for admission to a publicly funded program yes it is a problem but otherwise fine
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Uncle. I've seen references to the purchase of test answers, but can someone point me to the source of this accusation? Or is it just alleged without any evidence? As a father whose daughter has take summer and weekend classes to ensure competency, I grow weary of these types of comments...


It's not quite correct to say that folks who went to Curie paid $4-5K for the answers to the old TJ exam.

What is correct is that students who took the TJ exam in the class of 2023 and 2024 reported having seen the questions that were on their TJ exam (specifically on the Quant-Q, which is supposed to be a secured exam with no prep available) during their time at Curie. Now, whether they actually did or not is another question entirely, but it's hard to imagine why a TJ student would openly admit that they had seen the questions before in a public forum if it weren't true.


More likely students saw similar questions. Curie either had previous exams, or they made up their own exams based on either previous exams they got a hold of or what students told them about the exams. It's also possible the Quant-Q people were so lazy they just reused questions verbatim.


Agree. Also, regarding the lack of available prep, please see this: https://www.amazon.com/New-TJHSST-Math-Workbook-Advanced/dp/1794340904. So it would seem that the assertion is questionable. Just a bit irritating of how preparation is somehow considered unfair. It's much easier to accuse parents of purchasing TJ admission, and totally dismissing the effort of those that do prepare. All in the past now...


I thought this was obvious and ignored as well. Preparation for math you expect to be on a test and getting the test and answers beforehand are very, very different. The wokies try to equate the two to make themselves feel better about an indefensible position on competitive admissions.


Several of the popular prep places have been accused of providing their students with the questions ahead of time, but regardless prep does confer a real advantage to those who can afford it.


Well...I am an immigrant, my family came here with nothing, I have worked since I was 14 and put myself through college and grad school. If I choose to spend my six-figure salary on test prep for my kid, whose business is it of anyone else's? Working hard to prepare for exams is just a part of getting somewhere in life and it makes no sense to me why there should be a penalty for that. FWIW, I am not Asian, so this attitude is by no means limited to this particular community.


If outside enrichment gives your kid an advantage for admission to a publicly funded program yes it is a problem but otherwise fine


It's not as if every family has the same ability to assist their children directly with their education. Are you planning to correct for this as well? It's not as if there is a ceiling on the amount of hate and resentment that's driving some of you.
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Uncle. I've seen references to the purchase of test answers, but can someone point me to the source of this accusation? Or is it just alleged without any evidence? As a father whose daughter has take summer and weekend classes to ensure competency, I grow weary of these types of comments...


It's not quite correct to say that folks who went to Curie paid $4-5K for the answers to the old TJ exam.

What is correct is that students who took the TJ exam in the class of 2023 and 2024 reported having seen the questions that were on their TJ exam (specifically on the Quant-Q, which is supposed to be a secured exam with no prep available) during their time at Curie. Now, whether they actually did or not is another question entirely, but it's hard to imagine why a TJ student would openly admit that they had seen the questions before in a public forum if it weren't true.


More likely students saw similar questions. Curie either had previous exams, or they made up their own exams based on either previous exams they got a hold of or what students told them about the exams. It's also possible the Quant-Q people were so lazy they just reused questions verbatim.


Agree. Also, regarding the lack of available prep, please see this: https://www.amazon.com/New-TJHSST-Math-Workbook-Advanced/dp/1794340904. So it would seem that the assertion is questionable. Just a bit irritating of how preparation is somehow considered unfair. It's much easier to accuse parents of purchasing TJ admission, and totally dismissing the effort of those that do prepare. All in the past now...


I thought this was obvious and ignored as well. Preparation for math you expect to be on a test and getting the test and answers beforehand are very, very different. The wokies try to equate the two to make themselves feel better about an indefensible position on competitive admissions.


Several of the popular prep places have been accused of providing their students with the questions ahead of time, but regardless prep does confer a real advantage to those who can afford it.


Well...I am an immigrant, my family came here with nothing, I have worked since I was 14 and put myself through college and grad school. If I choose to spend my six-figure salary on test prep for my kid, whose business is it of anyone else's? Working hard to prepare for exams is just a part of getting somewhere in life and it makes no sense to me why there should be a penalty for that. FWIW, I am not Asian, so this attitude is by no means limited to this particular community.


If outside enrichment gives your kid an advantage for admission to a publicly funded program yes it is a problem but otherwise fine


This is pp. I find it ironic that for me with my background getting into a similar program was an achievement to be celebrated by all. But for my own kids it's somehow a product of unearned privilege.
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Uncle. I've seen references to the purchase of test answers, but can someone point me to the source of this accusation? Or is it just alleged without any evidence? As a father whose daughter has take summer and weekend classes to ensure competency, I grow weary of these types of comments...


It's not quite correct to say that folks who went to Curie paid $4-5K for the answers to the old TJ exam.

What is correct is that students who took the TJ exam in the class of 2023 and 2024 reported having seen the questions that were on their TJ exam (specifically on the Quant-Q, which is supposed to be a secured exam with no prep available) during their time at Curie. Now, whether they actually did or not is another question entirely, but it's hard to imagine why a TJ student would openly admit that they had seen the questions before in a public forum if it weren't true.


More likely students saw similar questions. Curie either had previous exams, or they made up their own exams based on either previous exams they got a hold of or what students told them about the exams. It's also possible the Quant-Q people were so lazy they just reused questions verbatim.


Agree. Also, regarding the lack of available prep, please see this: https://www.amazon.com/New-TJHSST-Math-Workbook-Advanced/dp/1794340904. So it would seem that the assertion is questionable. Just a bit irritating of how preparation is somehow considered unfair. It's much easier to accuse parents of purchasing TJ admission, and totally dismissing the effort of those that do prepare. All in the past now...


I thought this was obvious and ignored as well. Preparation for math you expect to be on a test and getting the test and answers beforehand are very, very different. The wokies try to equate the two to make themselves feel better about an indefensible position on competitive admissions.


Several of the popular prep places have been accused of providing their students with the questions ahead of time, but regardless prep does confer a real advantage to those who can afford it.


Well...I am an immigrant, my family came here with nothing, I have worked since I was 14 and put myself through college and grad school. If I choose to spend my six-figure salary on test prep for my kid, whose business is it of anyone else's? Working hard to prepare for exams is just a part of getting somewhere in life and it makes no sense to me why there should be a penalty for that. FWIW, I am not Asian, so this attitude is by no means limited to this particular community.


If outside enrichment gives your kid an advantage for admission to a publicly funded program yes it is a problem but otherwise fine

White people do this all the time. Sports clubs, music enrichment , you name it. It’s all for college application. So enrichment is only okay for white people. That’s basically what liberals are saying.
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Uncle. I've seen references to the purchase of test answers, but can someone point me to the source of this accusation? Or is it just alleged without any evidence? As a father whose daughter has take summer and weekend classes to ensure competency, I grow weary of these types of comments...


It's not quite correct to say that folks who went to Curie paid $4-5K for the answers to the old TJ exam.

What is correct is that students who took the TJ exam in the class of 2023 and 2024 reported having seen the questions that were on their TJ exam (specifically on the Quant-Q, which is supposed to be a secured exam with no prep available) during their time at Curie. Now, whether they actually did or not is another question entirely, but it's hard to imagine why a TJ student would openly admit that they had seen the questions before in a public forum if it weren't true.


More likely students saw similar questions. Curie either had previous exams, or they made up their own exams based on either previous exams they got a hold of or what students told them about the exams. It's also possible the Quant-Q people were so lazy they just reused questions verbatim.


Agree. Also, regarding the lack of available prep, please see this: https://www.amazon.com/New-TJHSST-Math-Workbook-Advanced/dp/1794340904. So it would seem that the assertion is questionable. Just a bit irritating of how preparation is somehow considered unfair. It's much easier to accuse parents of purchasing TJ admission, and totally dismissing the effort of those that do prepare. All in the past now...


I thought this was obvious and ignored as well. Preparation for math you expect to be on a test and getting the test and answers beforehand are very, very different. The wokies try to equate the two to make themselves feel better about an indefensible position on competitive admissions.


Several of the popular prep places have been accused of providing their students with the questions ahead of time, but regardless prep does confer a real advantage to those who can afford it.


Well...I am an immigrant, my family came here with nothing, I have worked since I was 14 and put myself through college and grad school. If I choose to spend my six-figure salary on test prep for my kid, whose business is it of anyone else's? Working hard to prepare for exams is just a part of getting somewhere in life and it makes no sense to me why there should be a penalty for that. FWIW, I am not Asian, so this attitude is by no means limited to this particular community.


If outside enrichment gives your kid an advantage for admission to a publicly funded program yes it is a problem but otherwise fine

White people do this all the time. Sports clubs, music enrichment , you name it. It’s all for college application. So enrichment is only okay for white people. That’s basically what liberals are saying.


No, the argument is that there's inherent value in sports, music, arts, math clubs, robotics etc. These make for a good life, good society and represent value to children and adults regardless of their effect (which is usually miniscule if at all) on college admissions. Test prep has no inherent value to life. It's just aimed at an artificial hoop--performance on a particular measure--not on a valued skill.
There is a strong resistance to test prep culture in the US and interest in figuring out how to stop putting families in a position where it feels necessary to get a good education.
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No, the argument is that there's inherent value in sports, music, arts, math clubs, robotics etc. These make for a good life, good society and represent value to children and adults regardless of their effect (which is usually miniscule if at all) on college admissions. Test prep has no inherent value to life. It's just aimed at an artificial hoop--performance on a particular measure--not on a valued skill.
There is a strong resistance to test prep culture in the US and interest in figuring out how to stop putting families in a position where it feels necessary to get a good education.

You're assuming that places like Curie spend the bulk of their time teaching test prep, rather than also spending a lot of time teaching math, writing, and other academic topics.
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If outside enrichment gives your kid an advantage for admission to a publicly funded program yes it is a problem but otherwise fine


It's not as if every family has the same ability to assist their children directly with their education. Are you planning to correct for this as well? It's not as if there is a ceiling on the amount of hate and resentment that's driving some of you.


It's not like every kid had parents who read to them as preschoolers. Do we need to abolish reading groups since kids aren't at the same level? Not all kids have parents who play games with them or give them access to early math learning. Do we need to then abolish advanced math across the board? Heck, not all kids had mothers who received proper nutrition and medical care while pregnant with them. Do we need to abolish any leveling or meritocratic process to compensate for the kids who started out behind? Where does it all end? School cannot be expected to be able to compensate for all of the ills of poverty or bad parenting.

There is no reason at all that gifted, motivated FARMS kids couldn't take Algebra in 7th grade. There's no reason that they couldn't participate in and do well in at least some STEM extracurricular. There's no reason that they couldn't meet a 75th percentile or so threshold on the ACT aspire or PSAT tests without any test prep, nor is there a reason that they couldn't hit a 90th percentile nationally on the Quant test without prep (* yes, I know that they used local percentiles and not national, which is a problem). If kids want to get into TJ, they need to take some ownership of their education and show at least some initiative in using free prep resources and participating in STEM activities.
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