The BIG ONE: 20 years of Trump taxes obtained by NYTs

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’m late to the party. Is this going to have any effect on the polls or are people numb to everything Trump by now?

I think this will move the needle with non-entrenched people. The big question is how many of them there are at this point.

it probably demotivates marginal trump supporters, much like the emails with Clinton.

Naw, the report isn't seen as credible when considering the times previous failed attempts, they cried wolf too many times

Ugh. All Trump stories are proved true. It’s just that the base does not care.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Forgive me if this has already been answered: How did the New York Times finally get access to his tax returns?

There has been speculation on this thread. Upthread someone said perhaps one of his lenders shared the documents and that sounds believable to me.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m late to the party. Is this going to have any effect on the polls or are people numb to everything Trump by now?

I think this will move the needle with non-entrenched people. The big question is how many of them there are at this point.

it probably demotivates marginal trump supporters, much like the emails with Clinton.

Naw, the report isn't seen as credible when considering the times previous failed attempts, they cried wolf too many times

AND YET Trump could disprove this with one photocopy of just the top page of one tax return. But is he going to? Hell, no.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Forgive me if this has already been answered: How did the New York Times finally get access to his tax returns?

We don't know, although there are a couple paragraphs that provide some insight:

1. The Times examined and analyzed the data from thousands of individual and business tax returns for 2000 through 2017, along with additional tax information from other years. The trove included years of employee compensation information and records of cash payments between the president and his businesses, as well as information about ongoing federal audits of his taxes.

2. The New York Times has obtained tax-return data extending over more than two decades for Mr. Trump and the hundreds of companies that make up his business organization, including detailed information from his first two years in office. It does not include his personal returns for 2018 or 2019. This article offers an overview of The Times’s findings; additional articles will be published in the coming weeks.

The reference to data as opposed to hard copies makes me think it's a state or federal employee who was able to get access to the information via some system.

Something I'm wondering about: thousands of individual and business tax returns? These documents seem like they may not be limited to Trump then, but also possibly employees of various Trump businesses?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m late to the party. Is this going to have any effect on the polls or are people numb to everything Trump by now?

I think this will move the needle with non-entrenched people. The big question is how many of them there are at this point.

it probably demotivates marginal trump supporters, much like the emails with Clinton.

Naw, the report isn't seen as credible when considering the times previous failed attempts, they cried wolf too many times

Uh. No.
It’s the rare occassion that the democrats get to attack with such a simple and delightfully unnuanced statement.
Trump paid 750.00 in taxes.

So delightful. So easily digested.
You paid more taxes than Donald Trump. Boom.

Given the NYT article doesn't allege illegality, why does the tax code apparently allow this?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m late to the party. Is this going to have any effect on the polls or are people numb to everything Trump by now?

I think this will move the needle with non-entrenched people. The big question is how many of them there are at this point.

it probably demotivates marginal trump supporters, much like the emails with Clinton.

Naw, the report isn't seen as credible when considering the times previous failed attempts, they cried wolf too many times

Ugh. All Trump stories are proved true. It’s just that the base does not care.

This is nothing voters did not already know before voting in 2016. It was more or less stated by Trump in a debate and was the subject of an October 2016 NYT article

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Forgive me if this has already been answered: How did the New York Times finally get access to his tax returns?

We don't know, although there are a couple paragraphs that provide some insight:

1. The Times examined and analyzed the data from thousands of individual and business tax returns for 2000 through 2017, along with additional tax information from other years. The trove included years of employee compensation information and records of cash payments between the president and his businesses, as well as information about ongoing federal audits of his taxes.

2. The New York Times has obtained tax-return data extending over more than two decades for Mr. Trump and the hundreds of companies that make up his business organization, including detailed information from his first two years in office. It does not include his personal returns for 2018 or 2019. This article offers an overview of The Times’s findings; additional articles will be published in the coming weeks.

The reference to data as opposed to hard copies makes me think it's a state or federal employee who was able to get access to the information via some system.

Something I'm wondering about: thousands of individual and business tax returns? These documents seem like they may not be limited to Trump then, but also possibly employees of various Trump businesses?

It sounds more like it was from whoever was preparing his taxes. Did he change that in 2018 and 2019?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m late to the party. Is this going to have any effect on the polls or are people numb to everything Trump by now?

I think this will move the needle with non-entrenched people. The big question is how many of them there are at this point.

it probably demotivates marginal trump supporters, much like the emails with Clinton.

Naw, the report isn't seen as credible when considering the times previous failed attempts, they cried wolf too many times

Uh. No.
It’s the rare occassion that the democrats get to attack with such a simple and delightfully unnuanced statement.
Trump paid 750.00 in taxes.

So delightful. So easily digested.
You paid more taxes than Donald Trump. Boom.

Given the NYT article doesn't allege illegality, why does the tax code apparently allow this?

It's legal to not pay taxes if you a broke. Trump's ass is broke. That's why he didn't have to pay taxes.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:
I’m late to the party. Is this going to have any effect on the polls or are people numb to everything Trump by now?

I think this will move the needle with non-entrenched people. The big question is how many of them there are at this point.
it probably demotivates marginal trump supporters, much like the emails with Clinton.


Naw, the report isn't seen as credible when considering the times previous failed attempts, they cried wolf too many times


Uh. No.
It’s the rare occassion that the democrats get to attack with such a simple and delightfully unnuanced statement.
Trump paid 750.00 in taxes.

So delightful. So easily digested.
You paid more taxes than Donald Trump. Boom.


Given the NYT article doesn't allege illegality, why does the tax code apparently allow this?


It's legal to not pay taxes if you a broke. Trump's ass is broke. That's why he didn't have to pay taxes.

It's worse than broke. He owes people to the tune of 461M. Who are those people? He wouldn't be able to get a simple security clearance with even a fraction of that debt if he were not president. There's something wrong with that even if the rest is legal. Presidents must show tax returns and be held to the same clearance procedures as the rest of us.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Forgive me if this has already been answered: How did the New York Times finally get access to his tax returns?

We don't know, although there are a couple paragraphs that provide some insight:

1. The Times examined and analyzed the data from thousands of individual and business tax returns for 2000 through 2017, along with additional tax information from other years. The trove included years of employee compensation information and records of cash payments between the president and his businesses, as well as information about ongoing federal audits of his taxes.

2. The New York Times has obtained tax-return data extending over more than two decades for Mr. Trump and the hundreds of companies that make up his business organization, including detailed information from his first two years in office. It does not include his personal returns for 2018 or 2019. This article offers an overview of The Times’s findings; additional articles will be published in the coming weeks.

The reference to data as opposed to hard copies makes me think it's a state or federal employee who was able to get access to the information via some system.

Something I'm wondering about: thousands of individual and business tax returns? These documents seem like they may not be limited to Trump then, but also possibly employees of various Trump businesses?

It sounds more like it was from whoever was preparing his taxes. Did he change that in 2018 and 2019?

NP. Sounds to me like someone who works at his organization made copies of a bunch of stuff and mailed it. Not hard to imagine some insider willing to stick it to that POS.

[Anonymous]

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AND YET Trump could disprove this with one photocopy of just the top page of one tax return. But is he going to? Hell, no.

Yep. Remember that time Obama released his birth certificate?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m late to the party. Is this going to have any effect on the polls or are people numb to everything Trump by now?

I think this will move the needle with non-entrenched people. The big question is how many of them there are at this point.

it probably demotivates marginal trump supporters, much like the emails with Clinton.

Naw, the report isn't seen as credible when considering the times previous failed attempts, they cried wolf too many times

Uh. No.
It’s the rare occassion that the democrats get to attack with such a simple and delightfully unnuanced statement.
Trump paid 750.00 in taxes.

So delightful. So easily digested.
You paid more taxes than Donald Trump. Boom.

Given the NYT article doesn't allege illegality, why does the tax code apparently allow this?

The power of a strong lobby to create massive loop holes that will never apply to the average American.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The walls are closing in! This is the beginning of the end!

For the 67th time! But this is it, gang! This is the big one!

[Anonymous]

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m late to the party. Is this going to have any effect on the polls or are people numb to everything Trump by now?

I think this will move the needle with non-entrenched people. The big question is how many of them there are at this point.

it probably demotivates marginal trump supporters, much like the emails with Clinton.

Naw, the report isn't seen as credible when considering the times previous failed attempts, they cried wolf too many times

Uh. No.
It’s the rare occassion that the democrats get to attack with such a simple and delightfully unnuanced statement.
Trump paid 750.00 in taxes.

So delightful. So easily digested.
You paid more taxes than Donald Trump. Boom.

Given the NYT article doesn't allege illegality, why does the tax code apparently allow this?

One party worships wealth, money and the accumulation of same over any other principle. Blame the GOP.