Superintendent's Recommendation for Richard Montgomery ES #5 Boundaries

[Anonymous]

wait sorry. what is the issue with alternative A? is it because hungerford is gonna lose their shit again because its 30 percent farms?

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Anonymous wrote:wait sorry. what is the issue with alternative A? is it because hungerford is gonna lose their shit again because its 30 percent farms?

To much FARMS at ES5 and no room to grow at CG. Don't bring up, "there's no growthing coming to CG" because that's just not how the school board is going to look at it. Leaving 100+ slots open at ES5 while CG is full is a not happening. Option A is DOA.

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In the board's eyes the proximity / neighborhood argument has no merit since all these schools are so close together. The only real outliers are RP5 and CG2

That's not true. That's why they were going to take a bus tour to gauge community boundaries and distances. And at least one board member raised the hardships of lower-income parents being able to be involved in a school that far away, kids not being able to play on the same sports teams, etc. as their classmates, general feeling of not being part of the community.

They are definitely grappling with the diversity vs. proximity argument. They need to hear specifically from those parents that would be affected by those tradeoffs, i.e. residents of RP2, RP5, RP6, and Twinbrook.

Hope the board is doing the bus tour during rush hour!

I emailed them this morning asking them to.

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Anonymous wrote:RE: proximity, I grew up going to a lower income school, but I lived within walking distance to the school. I could participate in after school activities and then walk home by myself. If I had to take a bus to school, I wouldn't have been able to participate in these after school activities.

BOE toured areas to see for themselves if entire RP2 is good walk for elementary aged kid to walk themselves. They got some impression that Walk argument for RP2 is being pushed by RP to get rid of RP2.

Didn't the committee determine that RP2 was a walk zone? Are they going to supply a bus? In any case, this logic also applies to TB area.

Committee didn't decide that. It comes from the Dept of transportation and they simply look at distance as long as it's not crossing major busy road. That doesn't mean that all parts are really walk-able for elementary aged kids. They may still need bus. Not sure about it. I was just pointing out.

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Anonymous wrote:wait sorry. what is the issue with alternative A? is it because hungerford is gonna lose their shit again because its 30 percent farms?

No, it's because CG remains overcapacity. B moves CG3 to Beall so that CG enrollment drops below 100%, and then B6s and B5s move to RMES#5 to make room for the CG3 kids at Beall since B6s and B5s aren't walkable to Beall anyway and Jefferson St. is a natural division.

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Anonymous wrote:wait sorry. what is the issue with alternative A? is it because hungerford is gonna lose their shit again because its 30 percent farms?

I have only seen CG3 resident supporting it. No one else supports it. Not even other parts of CG. Reason is simple, no one wants to see CG at 100% despite having a new school.

If you are from CG3 then let's not try to push it. I was present in advisory meeting and saying it based on that. CG3 parents were the only ones pushing for this idea.

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RP parents,

We need to avoid all hidden agendas of CG3 being in CG and then picking something to support it. Super had neglected that as well in his choice.

We should pick what makes most sense looking at facts. That will help us.

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Anonymous wrote:RE: proximity, I grew up going to a lower income school, but I lived within walking distance to the school. I could participate in after school activities and then walk home by myself. If I had to take a bus to school, I wouldn't have been able to participate in these after school activities.

BOE toured areas to see for themselves if entire RP2 is good walk for elementary aged kid to walk themselves. They got some impression that Walk argument for RP2 is being pushed by RP to get rid of RP2.

RP parent here. I do not know of anyone who wants to get rid of RP2. All of the arguments that I have heard for having RP2 leave RPES is that the NEW SCHOOL is IN their neighborhood. For elementary school, I think (and I am assuming that others do too because it came up in the boundary studies) that geographic proximity is important. I can understand when middle schools and high schools are a little farther away but elementary school children should be able to attend schools in their neighborhood and honestly this would be a NON issue if RP2 was upper middle class. RMES5 (and that crazy annoying Hungerford group) would say welcome with open arms.

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Anonymous wrote:RP2 are currently with RP. if you move them out you are changing the status quo and 7.5% FARMS rate is the red flag that sets the neighborhood communities off and promotes their argument of socio-economic disbalance.

Option B is toxic.

But some are silent about the option that makes RP 40% FARMs. They are ok with making it unbalanced where RP gets way more FARMs than the other schools (except TB), but not scream and yell when it is way less?

Option B has RP with about 7% less FARMs than CG, but option C makes FARMs at RP 15% more than CG. I'm not advocating for a 7% FARMS rate, but I find it disingenuous for these people to make a stink about a 7% FARMS rate at RP, but be silent on an option that ups the FARMs at RP to 40%.

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Anonymous wrote:I love how everyone wants RP5 to move 5-7min further than their 20min commute and keep a walkable area of RP2 getting bussed. All for the sake of about 10% FARMS. Would all of you be okay with that? 100% sure the answer would be no.

Are we really screwing them over to give the brand new school the lowest FARMS? Just to show RP they can't. Because that is how it is coming off here on this forum and it is sad. A witch hunt for RP families. I much rather support ALL of the schools needs of proximity and not just my own. CG, Beall stay very similar. RM5 has 26% FARMS and TB stays at Title 1 all together.

I prefer A or B as the best for ALL families and the community.

Beall parent

Actually CG would have the lowest FARMS at 14% and then RM5 with 17%. Everyone decreases FARMS and some drastically are low capacity, while RP increases to the 2nd highest FARMS and 2nd highest capacity in the cluster with option E. That is why everyone else in the cluster is on board. It only screws RP. And some RP parents are so scared to vote against it thinking they will get screwed more with 40% FARMS, that they are actually on board with it too. And if we vote for the ones that keep us all close, we are yelled at for "wanting" 7% FARMS. It is a no win situation.

It's hard to argue that RP is "screwed" by Option E when their composition is going to be virtually the same as it is today, just minus RP5. You get a 3.3% rise in FARMs rates to 24% which is a perfectly acceptable number.

Wait, that doesn't make sense. How can their numbers stay the same in E but decrease to below 10% in B? Wouldn't they have to increase?

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Anonymous wrote:RE: proximity, I grew up going to a lower income school, but I lived within walking distance to the school. I could participate in after school activities and then walk home by myself. If I had to take a bus to school, I wouldn't have been able to participate in these after school activities.

BOE toured areas to see for themselves if entire RP2 is good walk for elementary aged kid to walk themselves. They got some impression that Walk argument for RP2 is being pushed by RP to get rid of RP2.

RP parent here. I do not know of anyone who wants to get rid of RP2. All of the arguments that I have heard for having RP2 leave RPES is that the NEW SCHOOL is IN their neighborhood. For elementary school, I think (and I am assuming that others do too because it came up in the boundary studies) that geographic proximity is important. I can understand when middle schools and high schools are a little farther away but elementary school children should be able to attend schools in their neighborhood and honestly this would be a NON issue if RP2 was upper middle class. RMES5 (and that crazy annoying Hungerford group) would say welcome with open arms.

You do realize Option B is the original proposal put forward by the Hungerford Civic Association, which has RP2 going to the new school with them.

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Anonymous wrote:RP2 are currently with RP. if you move them out you are changing the status quo and 7.5% FARMS rate is the red flag that sets the neighborhood communities off and promotes their argument of socio-economic disbalance.

Option B is toxic.

But some are silent about the option that makes RP 40% FARMs. They are ok with making it unbalanced where RP gets way more FARMs than the other schools (except TB), but not scream and yell when it is way less?

Option B has RP with about 7% less FARMs than CG, but option C makes FARMs at RP 15% more than CG. I'm not advocating for a 7% FARMS rate, but I find it disingenuous for these people to make a stink about a 7% FARMS rate at RP, but be silent on an option that ups the FARMs at RP to 40%.

Stop talking about Option C, no one wants that. Everyone wants either B or E and if everyone tells the BOE that, they will pick one of those options.

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Anonymous wrote:I love how everyone wants RP5 to move 5-7min further than their 20min commute and keep a walkable area of RP2 getting bussed. All for the sake of about 10% FARMS. Would all of you be okay with that? 100% sure the answer would be no.

Are we really screwing them over to give the brand new school the lowest FARMS? Just to show RP they can't. Because that is how it is coming off here on this forum and it is sad. A witch hunt for RP families. I much rather support ALL of the schools needs of proximity and not just my own. CG, Beall stay very similar. RM5 has 26% FARMS and TB stays at Title 1 all together.

I prefer A or B as the best for ALL families and the community.

Beall parent

Actually CG would have the lowest FARMS at 14% and then RM5 with 17%. Everyone decreases FARMS and some drastically are low capacity, while RP increases to the 2nd highest FARMS and 2nd highest capacity in the cluster with option E. That is why everyone else in the cluster is on board. It only screws RP. And some RP parents are so scared to vote against it thinking they will get screwed more with 40% FARMS, that they are actually on board with it too. And if we vote for the ones that keep us all close, we are yelled at for "wanting" 7% FARMS. It is a no win situation.

This is how I feel as an RP parent who is not affected by the options. I don't feel like I should have to accept RP2 being bussed here when they are walkable. Option B makes the most sense. Gives everyone 96% or lower and keeps everyone in their closest school except CG3. But I am being told by others they will punish us with drastic moves and over 40% FARMS if we ask for it so just vote E. But I don't think that is right. .

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Anonymous wrote:RP2 are currently with RP. if you move them out you are changing the status quo and 7.5% FARMS rate is the red flag that sets the neighborhood communities off and promotes their argument of socio-economic disbalance.

Option B is toxic.

But some are silent about the option that makes RP 40% FARMs. They are ok with making it unbalanced where RP gets way more FARMs than the other schools (except TB), but not scream and yell when it is way less?

Option B has RP with about 7% less FARMs than CG, but option C makes FARMs at RP 15% more than CG. I'm not advocating for a 7% FARMS rate, but I find it disingenuous for these people to make a stink about a 7% FARMS rate at RP, but be silent on an option that ups the FARMs at RP to 40%.

Stop talking about Option C, no one wants that. Everyone wants either B or E and if everyone tells the BOE that, they will pick one of those options.

I only mention it because some people are so against option B as it lowers RP farms to 7%. So, if they are so vocally against that option because of the unequal distribution of FARMS then why don't those same people make as much stink about option C?

Obviously they are fine with an option that makes RP FARMS rate go up, even if that means making kids criss cross the cluster, but no way is having that school at 7% FARMS acceptable. That's my problem with this group and their anti-option B stance.

FWIW I'm fine with option E, just don't understand why they are so against B but not C.

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Anonymous wrote:RE: proximity, I grew up going to a lower income school, but I lived within walking distance to the school. I could participate in after school activities and then walk home by myself. If I had to take a bus to school, I wouldn't have been able to participate in these after school activities.

BOE toured areas to see for themselves if entire RP2 is good walk for elementary aged kid to walk themselves. They got some impression that Walk argument for RP2 is being pushed by RP to get rid of RP2.

RP parent here. I do not know of anyone who wants to get rid of RP2. All of the arguments that I have heard for having RP2 leave RPES is that the NEW SCHOOL is IN their neighborhood. For elementary school, I think (and I am assuming that others do too because it came up in the boundary studies) that geographic proximity is important. I can understand when middle schools and high schools are a little farther away but elementary school children should be able to attend schools in their neighborhood and honestly this would be a NON issue if RP2 was upper middle class. RMES5 (and that crazy annoying Hungerford group) would say welcome with open arms.

You do realize Option B is the original proposal put forward by the Hungerford Civic Association, which has RP2 going to the new school with them.

PP you're probably responding to the troll who keeps attacking hungerford.