Should minorities carry their passports/identification?

[Anonymous]

If you carry your passport everywhere you go, are any of you more concerned about it getting lost or stolen than you actually needing it? I’m asking as a serious question. That would be my concern with having my passport on me everywhere, but I’ve lost my license more than once.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If you carry your passport everywhere you go, are any of you more concerned about it getting lost or stolen than you actually needing it? I’m asking as a serious question. That would be my concern with having my passport on me everywhere, but I’ve lost my license more than once.

I only carry my passport with me when traveling overseas just as any other normal sane person on Earth does. What are y'all smoking?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:No, resist! That's not the law. The government has the burden of proof.

You’re not a POC, are you?

NP. I am a “POC” (I hate this term) lawyer and I agree with this in principle. But I’m not scared of being “disappeared” or walking around in general. I live in NYC and walk around all the time without a wallet (including ID), and have no plans of changing this.

People are being hysterical. Many years ago I studied abroad in Russia, which is actually a country where authorities can and will stop foreign-looking people (or anyone) and ask for your papers. This is not anything even remotely close to that.

I’m not crazy about the term either — but I do recognize that some of us are treated differently vs others, especially by law enforcement, and that can make a difference in terms of both safety, and the likelihood that “the law” and those enforcing it will be at least somewhat neutral, or even somewhat protective. Perhaps being a lawyer yourself gives you some sense of protection as well?

When I lived in NYC, I, too, walked around without ID, as I have throughout my life in DC. The current Trump/Miller/ICE administration has changed that for me. I don’t expect a piece of paper to necessarily save me, but it’s truly not hysterical to understand that police and ICE may treat me very differently from the way they’d treat someone white, blonde, and apparently the right kind of American. I’m old enough to remember what happened to the now-exonerated Central Park Five — thanks in large part to the EO happy guy in the White House.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’m getting my Real ID next month, so I figure that should be good enough when I’m out shopping etc. Maybe I’ll take a video of my passport since I usually have my phone on me and don’t carry my wallet if I’m just walking in the neighborhood.

Real ID doesn't prove citizenship.

If that is true then that means the average American citizen has absolutely no way to protect themselves against a random ICE raid where they could scoop anyone up and claim they are here illegally, detain you, send you off to some black site in South Sudan, or central America or Djibouti. Anyone.

This is Trump's America.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I always carry ID. Female WASP. Exception would be walking in the neighborhood.

And, when I lived and worked overseas, I always carried my passport.

+1

They run your ID and if it’s up to date, accurate and matches your face and other IDs, yours all set.

If they run it and it’s fake that’s illegal and you can get fined, confiscated, jailed and more.

As an American, or someone visiting, there should never be a situation where I am stopped without cause to have an ID run. Do you see how absurd this is?

“Without cause”. You do realize who decides what “cause” is in the heat of the moment though, right? DP

[Anonymous]

During the Save Act reporting I read that only something like 7 states have real IDs that confirm citizenship.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:No, resist! That's not the law. The government has the burden of proof.

You’re not a POC, are you?

NP. I am a “POC” (I hate this term) lawyer and I agree with this in principle. But I’m not scared of being “disappeared” or walking around in general. I live in NYC and walk around all the time without a wallet (including ID), and have no plans of changing this.

People are being hysterical. Many years ago I studied abroad in Russia, which is actually a country where authorities can and will stop foreign-looking people (or anyone) and ask for your papers. This is not anything even remotely close to that.

lol better start carrying your papers on you. Can’t wait to see you try to lawyer your way out of being arrested by a private in the 82nd or mask ICE agents.

The Trump administration is planning to conduct major immigration raids in three U.S. cities per week, according to three sources familiar with the planning. One of the sources described the operations as “all hands on deck.”

Operations began Sunday in Chicago, New York City began Tuesday, and three officials said they were planning for the next operation to take place in Aurora, Colorado, on Thursday. However, two sources familiar with the planning said Wednesday the Aurora operation was called off temporarily due to media leaks. One source said the leaks posed an operational security risk for officers involved.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/are-cities-ice-raids-are-taking-place-rcna189390

PP here. Yeah, I see absolutely no need to do that. My point is that the immigration raids - and I am not addressing the merits of those and due process issues they might raise - are exactly that, raids, where ICE thinks it can pick up people without papers. Like immigration court. There aren’t ICE officers swarming the streets of Midtown and the subway looking for random people to detain. I feel perfectly, 100% safe from immigration officers in my daily life.

I recognize that even U.S. citizens are having issues at borders and airports, but I maintain that American citizens “of color” systematically being detained on the streets and ordered to show papers while going about their business is not a thing.

Coming soon to a neighborhood block near you. This is happening people, unless the public draws a red line and says absolutely not. If ICE wants to get warrants and target specific people, then I am all for it. But when we are at the point where an exchange like this is taking place that people have to carry papers, we are no longer the USA.

I disagree that this is happening or imminent. I’m not denying that they’re conducting aggressive immigration raids, I’m saying that I don’t think we’re anywhere near a point that random American citizens are going to be targeted in the streets by ICE and should be carrying proof of citizenship as a proactive measure. I think that is hysteria.

And my point is that it isn’t “random”. DP

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’m getting my Real ID next month, so I figure that should be good enough when I’m out shopping etc. Maybe I’ll take a video of my passport since I usually have my phone on me and don’t carry my wallet if I’m just walking in the neighborhood.

Real ID doesn't prove citizenship.

If that is true then that means the average American citizen has absolutely no way to protect themselves against a random ICE raid where they could scoop anyone up and claim they are here illegally, detain you, send you off to some black site in South Sudan, or central America or Djibouti. Anyone.

This is Trump's America.

Exactly.
If i remember correctly, there are 2 or 3 states (i believe border states with Canada...maybe Maine and Vermont?) where the Real ID form of a driver's license carries some sort of certification/proof of citizenship on it. But the vast majority do not.
So...no, don't just assume that carrying that proves anything to ICE.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:No, resist! That's not the law. The government has the burden of proof.

You’re not a POC, are you?

NP. I am a “POC” (I hate this term) lawyer and I agree with this in principle. But I’m not scared of being “disappeared” or walking around in general. I live in NYC and walk around all the time without a wallet (including ID), and have no plans of changing this.

People are being hysterical. Many years ago I studied abroad in Russia, which is actually a country where authorities can and will stop foreign-looking people (or anyone) and ask for your papers. This is not anything even remotely close to that.

I’m not crazy about the term either — but I do recognize that some of us are treated differently vs others, especially by law enforcement, and that can make a difference in terms of both safety, and the likelihood that “the law” and those enforcing it will be at least somewhat neutral, or even somewhat protective. Perhaps being a lawyer yourself gives you some sense of protection as well?

When I lived in NYC, I, too, walked around without ID, as I have throughout my life in DC. The current Trump/Miller/ICE administration has changed that for me. I don’t expect a piece of paper to necessarily save me, but it’s truly not hysterical to understand that police and ICE may treat me very differently from the way they’d treat someone white, blonde, and apparently the right kind of American. I’m old enough to remember what happened to the now-exonerated Central Park Five — thanks in large part to the EO happy guy in the White House.

Why do you guys think white people are somehow safe from all of this? Yes Trump is racist but he also hates any white person who isn’t MAGA. He has threatened Gavin Newsom as well and he is white and a powerful elected official. Nobody is safe.


“German Teens Say They Were Strip-Searched and Imprisoned After Landing in Hawaii for Graduation Trip”

https://people.com/german-teens-detained-hawaii-during-post-graduation-trip-11719907

[Anonymous]

Can’t hurt.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If you carry your passport everywhere you go, are any of you more concerned about it getting lost or stolen than you actually needing it? I’m asking as a serious question. That would be my concern with having my passport on me everywhere, but I’ve lost my license more than once.

Yes. This is why, when I renewed my passport recently, I also got a passport card.

[Anonymous]

“Please provide evidence that this is happening on a large/systemic scale - news stories from verified outlets are fine. I have not seen or read about this happening.

I think I’m the PP that you’re posing the hypothetical to and I’m a natural born US citizen from Bethesda. I am quite (I guess you can never be 100%) sure that ICE is not going to round me up randomly at a restaurant because I am “brown looking” and send me to a facility in Louisiana for deportation. Again, there is no evidence that this is happening on a systemic basis or that there are plans to do so. My parents are immigrants (naturalized citizens) with accents and I am not concerned for their safety either.”

Trump has expressed interest in denaturalizing people from 12 brown countries. It seems many will no longer face harassment in their native counties. Tell your parents to start packing. LOL. I’m not a Trumper but I do love Trump supporters getting FAFOed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No, resist! That's not the law. The government has the burden of proof.

You’re not a POC, are you?

NP. I am a “POC” (I hate this term) lawyer and I agree with this in principle. But I’m not scared of being “disappeared” or walking around in general. I live in NYC and walk around all the time without a wallet (including ID), and have no plans of changing this.

People are being hysterical. Many years ago I studied abroad in Russia, which is actually a country where authorities can and will stop foreign-looking people (or anyone) and ask for your papers. This is not anything even remotely close to that.

I’m not crazy about the term either — but I do recognize that some of us are treated differently vs others, especially by law enforcement, and that can make a difference in terms of both safety, and the likelihood that “the law” and those enforcing it will be at least somewhat neutral, or even somewhat protective. Perhaps being a lawyer yourself gives you some sense of protection as well?

When I lived in NYC, I, too, walked around without ID, as I have throughout my life in DC. The current Trump/Miller/ICE administration has changed that for me. I don’t expect a piece of paper to necessarily save me, but it’s truly not hysterical to understand that police and ICE may treat me very differently from the way they’d treat someone white, blonde, and apparently the right kind of American. I’m old enough to remember what happened to the now-exonerated Central Park Five — thanks in large part to the EO happy guy in the White House.

Why do you guys think white people are somehow safe from all of this? Yes Trump is racist but he also hates any white person who isn’t MAGA. He has threatened Gavin Newsom as well and he is white and a powerful elected official. Nobody is safe.


“German Teens Say They Were Strip-Searched and Imprisoned After Landing in Hawaii for Graduation Trip”

https://people.com/german-teens-detained-hawaii-during-post-graduation-trip-11719907

I haven’t said that white people are “safe” from this. I am saying that the chances of someone getting pulled over by cops or encountering ICE in the first place are higher for at least some POC right now than they are for most white people. I’m not going to do the math, but please tell me roughly how many white people have been “detained” vs how many POC have been “detained” during the past 5 months since Trump’s inauguration.

Key in what I just wrote are the words “right now”.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No, resist! That's not the law. The government has the burden of proof.

You’re not a POC, are you?

NP. I am a “POC” (I hate this term) lawyer and I agree with this in principle. But I’m not scared of being “disappeared” or walking around in general. I live in NYC and walk around all the time without a wallet (including ID), and have no plans of changing this.

People are being hysterical. Many years ago I studied abroad in Russia, which is actually a country where authorities can and will stop foreign-looking people (or anyone) and ask for your papers. This is not anything even remotely close to that.

I’m not crazy about the term either — but I do recognize that some of us are treated differently vs others, especially by law enforcement, and that can make a difference in terms of both safety, and the likelihood that “the law” and those enforcing it will be at least somewhat neutral, or even somewhat protective. Perhaps being a lawyer yourself gives you some sense of protection as well?

When I lived in NYC, I, too, walked around without ID, as I have throughout my life in DC. The current Trump/Miller/ICE administration has changed that for me. I don’t expect a piece of paper to necessarily save me, but it’s truly not hysterical to understand that police and ICE may treat me very differently from the way they’d treat someone white, blonde, and apparently the right kind of American. I’m old enough to remember what happened to the now-exonerated Central Park Five — thanks in large part to the EO happy guy in the White House.

Why do you guys think white people are somehow safe from all of this? Yes Trump is racist but he also hates any white person who isn’t MAGA. He has threatened Gavin Newsom as well and he is white and a powerful elected official. Nobody is safe.


“German Teens Say They Were Strip-Searched and Imprisoned After Landing in Hawaii for Graduation Trip”

https://people.com/german-teens-detained-hawaii-during-post-graduation-trip-11719907

Not that one example proves very much, but Gov. Newsom has been “threatened “.
State Senator Padilla was manhandled and handcuffed. See any difference?

While “nobody is safe”, at least at this point, some of us are safer than others.

[Anonymous]

How’s our retina scan database build out going?
Face recog?
Fingerprint records?