My child is super intelligent and won't get into any good schools? What?!

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Anonymous wrote:It's true. They would rather take foreigners at 3x the price than your kid. He should apply anyway. The rejections will help him to build resilience for the job market which is this but worse.

Please ignore this xenophobic piece of disinformation. I'm a foreigner, I know other foreigners, and it's just as hard if not harder for our kids to get in. Thank you.

Sorry about the stupid racist above. Foreign students are a net benefit for our universities.

They are not a net benefit to American students though. And American universities should serve American students first and foremost, rather than existing to milk rich foreigners.

Everyone who is there adds value. Having international students at school is a great thing for our kids intellectually.

It adds value to that particular school not to Americans or American society. We need to cater to our own people.

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Anonymous wrote:It is all about the math. Every year the US produces 75K kids with 4.0+ GPAs and 1500/35+ SAT/ACT scores. That is enough to fill every Freshman seat in the top 20+ universities. Add in foreign students with stellar credentials and you have tough competition at the top.

Add in that schools need athletes, band members, etc., and it becomes a crap shoot. If you kid fills a need the school has that year and your odds get better.

Eliminate super scoring and raise the bar to 1600/35 and you have less than 3,000 kids. If I can get a well rounded kid with that higher level of capacity?

All day, every day.

Universities don't really care between 1500 and 1600. Smart choice IMO.

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Anonymous wrote:It's true. They would rather take foreigners at 3x the price than your kid. He should apply anyway. The rejections will help him to build resilience for the job market which is this but worse.

Please ignore this xenophobic piece of disinformation. I'm a foreigner, I know other foreigners, and it's just as hard if not harder for our kids to get in. Thank you.

absolutely! international students raise the game for all students: they are so incredibly talented at my kid's elite school--they have enjoyed having them as friends and class peers.

They cheat to get in and then cheat to stay in

White supremacists always think that the only way they lose is because others are cheating.
This is why white supremacists accuse asians of cheating.
Their ego won't let them admit that anyone works harder than they do or heaven forbid is smarter than they are.

Lol!!!
I'm in total agreement that people cheat and I AM ASIAN.

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Anonymous wrote:It's true. They would rather take foreigners at 3x the price than your kid. He should apply anyway. The rejections will help him to build resilience for the job market which is this but worse.

Please ignore this xenophobic piece of disinformation. I'm a foreigner, I know other foreigners, and it's just as hard if not harder for our kids to get in. Thank you.

Also, it's not like there is a separate price for foreigners that is 3x what Americans pay.

NP. Give it some thought. Really think about it. The poster is referring to international students. They do pay significantly more, as they should.

Not at private schools. And at state schools, they pay OOS tuition just like anyone from "out of state".

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Anonymous wrote:It's true. They would rather take foreigners at 3x the price than your kid. He should apply anyway. The rejections will help him to build resilience for the job market which is this but worse.

Please ignore this xenophobic piece of disinformation. I'm a foreigner, I know other foreigners, and it's just as hard if not harder for our kids to get in. Thank you.

Also, it's not like there is a separate price for foreigners that is 3x what Americans pay.

NP. Give it some thought. Really think about it. The poster is referring to international students. They do pay significantly more, as they should.

Not at private schools. And at state schools, they pay OOS tuition just like anyone from "out of state".

Some schools have international rates or an international surcharge. Purdue is one example.

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They are not a net benefit to American students though. And American universities should serve American students first and foremost, rather than existing to milk rich foreigners.

I agree completely when discussing public colleges. I wish Virginia state schools were required to take more in-state students.

I think if a university takes state funds they need to prioritize state students. Period. It's not xenophobic or racist to expect something in return for tax dollars. I hate that people are so quick to call out xenophobia or racism to something that just plain is not.

UVA takes 2/3 from VA - that's a lot. They get much less funding from the state than a generation ago.

Our government should hire Americans preferentially and UVA should take Virginia residents preferentially. The whole world is flooding here because we used to have it right. Now it's changing. It's not racist because there are many people from all backgrounds in VA and in America that are not being prioritized and should be.

UVA limits how many are OOS. But if you significantly eliminate the higher paying OOS students, don't complain when your tuition rises significantly. Those 30% OOS paying $38K more in engineering are helping to keep In-state tuition lower. It will rise significantly if you eliminate those students.

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Anonymous wrote:It's true. They would rather take foreigners at 3x the price than your kid. He should apply anyway. The rejections will help him to build resilience for the job market which is this but worse.

Please ignore this xenophobic piece of disinformation. I'm a foreigner, I know other foreigners, and it's just as hard if not harder for our kids to get in. Thank you.

Also, it's not like there is a separate price for foreigners that is 3x what Americans pay.

NP. Give it some thought. Really think about it. The poster is referring to international students. They do pay significantly more, as they should.

Not at private schools. And at state schools, they pay OOS tuition just like anyone from "out of state".

Some schools have international rates or an international surcharge. Purdue is one example.

Not many do.

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Anonymous wrote:Re your last sentence, OP: your child will absolutely be accepted to schools that do not have insanely low acceptance rates. A couple of pointers from recent experience:
- there are tons of students with your child’s stats.
- as terrific as he undoubtedly is, he is one of tens of similar thousands
- he is wise to make a plan. Create a brutally honest and balanced list of reaches, targets, and safeties that he would be happy to attend
- acceptance rates are such that reaches for all means just that - reach for ALL regardless of stats
- he should thoughtfully prepare a strategy for ED, EA, RD and rolling
- he should identify the teachers likely to write the best LORs and ask them early
- he should provide his guidance counselor with information to include in the very influential guidance counselor letter
- he should be prepared to create applications that not only reflect his achievements and ECs but that also convey to AOs who he is as a human being and why his presence on a campus will add to the campus as a community
-he should take comfort that the dream school and top 25 concepts are a fallacy. There are tons of schools in this country where he can be happy and thrive. But he’s got to do the work to find them, and not be influenced too much by rankings or the perception of others
- he should be humble and realize that hard work is everything, no one is entitled to anything, and positivity is infectious, vs the understandably negative feelings he sounds like he is experiencing. Get energized, chin up!
-also remind him that this too shall pass.

there are no "tens of thousands" 4.0 10+AP 1500+ applicants.

Only about 20K people getting 1500+ on their SAT, they're not all going to have 10+ APs.

The Common App releases a report each academic season that provides data on SAT submission numbers. Approximately 75,000 kids applied last year to college and submitted a score of 1500+ (includes equivalent ACT scores). You, like many others, fail to include superscores or multiple tests taken during high school. The SAT percentiles are based on one sitting during one Academic year. Also, 20-30% of high schools do not offer AP or IB courses and the majority of US high schools only offer 5-8 courses. Therefore, you are correct that there are not tens of thousands of students taking 10+ AP courses and scoring above 1500 on the SAT but it doesn’t matter because colleges evaluate students based on what’s available to them. So a 1500 kid that maxed out at five AP courses versus 10 AP courses are going to evaluated the same on Academic ability and rigor.

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Anyone who has not been through college admissions in the last few years does not understand the current landscape. There are most definitely tens of thousands of US students with those credentials. Throw in international students and kids of billionaires/celebrities, etc. and it is, indeed, now a crapshoot to get into a top school. The good news is that now the lesser-ranked schools have lots of kids with these stats. The workforce is global, you need to compete globally now. Might as well start in university!

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone who has not been through college admissions in the last few years does not understand the current landscape. There are most definitely tens of thousands of US students with those credentials. Throw in international students and kids of billionaires/celebrities, etc. and it is, indeed, now a crapshoot to get into a top school. The good news is that now the lesser-ranked schools have lots of kids with these stats. The workforce is global, you need to compete globally now. Might as well start in university!

If you go to the various college websites, you can find posts like this every year going back to the early days of the internet.

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone who has not been through college admissions in the last few years does not understand the current landscape. There are most definitely tens of thousands of US students with those credentials. Throw in international students and kids of billionaires/celebrities, etc. and it is, indeed, now a crapshoot to get into a top school. The good news is that now the lesser-ranked schools have lots of kids with these stats. The workforce is global, you need to compete globally now. Might as well start in university!

If you go to the various college websites, you can find posts like this every year going back to the early days of the internet.

Dp. You are an idiot if you don’t think test optional has significantly changed college admissions.

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone who has not been through college admissions in the last few years does not understand the current landscape. There are most definitely tens of thousands of US students with those credentials. Throw in international students and kids of billionaires/celebrities, etc. and it is, indeed, now a crapshoot to get into a top school. The good news is that now the lesser-ranked schools have lots of kids with these stats. The workforce is global, you need to compete globally now. Might as well start in university!

If you go to the various college websites, you can find posts like this every year going back to the early days of the internet.

And? Admissions gets harder every year, and every year people notice that and say it’s getting harder.

Tuition goes up every year too. The fact that people notice it every year doesn’t negate the fact that it’s happening.

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Anonymous wrote:It's true. They would rather take foreigners at 3x the price than your kid. He should apply anyway. The rejections will help him to build resilience for the job market which is this but worse.

Please ignore this xenophobic piece of disinformation. I'm a foreigner, I know other foreigners, and it's just as hard if not harder for our kids to get in. Thank you.

Also, it's not like there is a separate price for foreigners that is 3x what Americans pay.

NP. Give it some thought. Really think about it. The poster is referring to international students. They do pay significantly more, as they should.

Not at private schools. And at state schools, they pay OOS tuition just like anyone from "out of state".

Some schools have international rates or an international surcharge. Purdue is one example.

Purdue is an anomaly. It's a land grant public institution which has geared itself to take in a huge international class to fund itself . A whopping 18.6% of each class is international. Also, any "surcharge" is dependent upon the program. If you enter Purdue Global, for example, the international
student receives a 25% reduction in tuition! And yes there is a tiny $15 addition to the $60 application fee for international students. Again, this is a money-maker for Purdue. Because of its marketing of international students, Purdue is now top ten in America for international students, but one could question why a state university should be so heavily entrenched with international students.

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They are not a net benefit to American students though. And American universities should serve American students first and foremost, rather than existing to milk rich foreigners.

I agree completely when discussing public colleges. I wish Virginia state schools were required to take more in-state students.

I think if a university takes state funds they need to prioritize state students. Period. It's not xenophobic or racist to expect something in return for tax dollars. I hate that people are so quick to call out xenophobia or racism to something that just plain is not.

UVA takes 2/3 from VA - that's a lot. They get much less funding from the state than a generation ago.

Our government should hire Americans preferentially and UVA should take Virginia residents preferentially. The whole world is flooding here because we used to have it right. Now it's changing. It's not racist because there are many people from all backgrounds in VA and in America that are not being prioritized and should be.

That's not a lot. UVA takes many more OOS than the other top publics with which it contends. UCLA and Berkeley are less than 10% OOS. Texas schools are for the top 6 -8 percent of public high school students in the state. UNC is now less than 6% OOS. VA residents should be writing their representatives to complain but since UVA takes only 6% of its operating budget from the Commonwealth, it can pretty much do what it wants. Prior legislation to increase the number of in-state students at UVA have all died in committee.

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Anonymous wrote:It's true. They would rather take foreigners at 3x the price than your kid. He should apply anyway. The rejections will help him to build resilience for the job market which is this but worse.

Please ignore this xenophobic piece of disinformation. I'm a foreigner, I know other foreigners, and it's just as hard if not harder for our kids to get in. Thank you.

absolutely! international students raise the game for all students: they are so incredibly talented at my kid's elite school--they have enjoyed having them as friends and class peers.

They cheat to get in and then cheat to stay in

White supremacists always think that the only way they lose is because others are cheating.
This is why white supremacists accuse asians of cheating.
Their ego won't let them admit that anyone works harder than they do or heaven forbid is smarter than they are.

What if all races cheat at some point and that can be proven?