What is your take on the Angelina Jolie/Brad Pitt divorce saga? What happened on the plane?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It's clear that the majority of people on this thread have zero idea what family court is actually like (and that is something to be thankful for) and also have no idea about the serious systemic problems that have been ongoing for decades. One thing that is absolutely true and has now been studied extensively (see Joan Meier at GW and her major study), is that when a mother states that abuse has been going on, the majority of the time she is not believed.

I don't have a lot of familiarity with family court except to know that it is a law unto itself.

Are you using this particular case as an example of when accusations of abuse by the mother are routinely ignored? When multiple elite legal teams and a private judge have had almost half a decade to comb through the lives of all the children and the mother and father.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It's clear that the majority of people on this thread have zero idea what family court is actually like (and that is something to be thankful for) and also have no idea about the serious systemic problems that have been ongoing for decades. One thing that is absolutely true and has now been studied extensively (see Joan Meier at GW and her major study), is that when a mother states that abuse has been going on, the majority of the time she is not believed.

I don't have a lot of familiarity with family court except to know that it is a law unto itself.

Are you using this particular case as an example of when accusations of abuse by the mother are routinely ignored? When multiple elite legal teams and a private judge have had almost half a decade to comb through the lives of all the children and the mother and father.

Yes, you drawing this type of "conclusion" shows that you don't have a lot familiarity with family court.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It's clear that the majority of people on this thread have zero idea what family court is actually like (and that is something to be thankful for) and also have no idea about the serious systemic problems that have been ongoing for decades. One thing that is absolutely true and has now been studied extensively (see Joan Meier at GW and her major study), is that when a mother states that abuse has been going on, the majority of the time she is not believed.

I don't have a lot of familiarity with family court except to know that it is a law unto itself.

Are you using this particular case as an example of when accusations of abuse by the mother are routinely ignored? When multiple elite legal teams and a private judge have had almost half a decade to comb through the lives of all the children and the mother and father.

Not just that. But dozens of therapists and education specialists who worked directly with the children and were on Jolie's payroll in addition to Pitt's, witnesses, etc. I agree this is not a good example of a court not taking the mother seriously. And when she's already been strongly warned about parental alienation, the judge needs to consult the professionals who have a more objective perspective, not her or the children who are more likely to reflect her perspective even more than their own. A woman completely unconcerned with the kids' stability and proper schooling lacks a fair amount of credibility to begin with, and she went nuclear from the get-go. It always seems to be all about her and her needs and desires. Contrast her with Jen Garner, who was extraordinary in setting aside her own ego to focus on the needs of her kids.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It's clear that the majority of people on this thread have zero idea what family court is actually like (and that is something to be thankful for) and also have no idea about the serious systemic problems that have been ongoing for decades. One thing that is absolutely true and has now been studied extensively (see Joan Meier at GW and her major study), is that when a mother states that abuse has been going on, the majority of the time she is not believed.

I don't have a lot of familiarity with family court except to know that it is a law unto itself.

Are you using this particular case as an example of when accusations of abuse by the mother are routinely ignored? When multiple elite legal teams and a private judge have had almost half a decade to comb through the lives of all the children and the mother and father.

Yes, you drawing this type of "conclusion" shows that you don't have a lot familiarity with family court.

DP. Many therapists and child behavioral experts who have experience with the Jolie-Pitt have provided testimony. There’s no evidence Jolie’s abuse allegations haven’t been taken seriously.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's clear that the majority of people on this thread have zero idea what family court is actually like (and that is something to be thankful for) and also have no idea about the serious systemic problems that have been ongoing for decades. One thing that is absolutely true and has now been studied extensively (see Joan Meier at GW and her major study), is that when a mother states that abuse has been going on, the majority of the time she is not believed.

I don't have a lot of familiarity with family court except to know that it is a law unto itself.

Are you using this particular case as an example of when accusations of abuse by the mother are routinely ignored? When multiple elite legal teams and a private judge have had almost half a decade to comb through the lives of all the children and the mother and father.

Yes, you drawing this type of "conclusion" shows that you don't have a lot familiarity with family court.

DP. Many therapists and child behavioral experts who have experience with the Jolie-Pitt have provided testimony. There’s no evidence Jolie’s abuse allegations haven’t been taken seriously.

^ the Jolie-Pitt children

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It's clear that the majority of people on this thread have zero idea what family court is actually like (and that is something to be thankful for) and also have no idea about the serious systemic problems that have been ongoing for decades. One thing that is absolutely true and has now been studied extensively (see Joan Meier at GW and her major study), is that when a mother states that abuse has been going on, the majority of the time she is not believed.

I don't have a lot of familiarity with family court except to know that it is a law unto itself.

Are you using this particular case as an example of when accusations of abuse by the mother are routinely ignored? When multiple elite legal teams and a private judge have had almost half a decade to comb through the lives of all the children and the mother and father.

Not just that. But dozens of therapists and education specialists who worked directly with the children and were on Jolie's payroll in addition to Pitt's, witnesses, etc. I agree this is not a good example of a court not taking the mother seriously. And when she's already been strongly warned about parental alienation, the judge needs to consult the professionals who have a more objective perspective, not her or the children who are more likely to reflect her perspective even more than their own. A woman completely unconcerned with the kids' stability and proper schooling lacks a fair amount of credibility to begin with, and she went nuclear from the get-go. It always seems to be all about her and her needs and desires. Contrast her with Jen Garner, who was extraordinary in setting aside her own ego to focus on the needs of her kids.

+1. Well said.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It's clear that the majority of people on this thread have zero idea what family court is actually like (and that is something to be thankful for) and also have no idea about the serious systemic problems that have been ongoing for decades. One thing that is absolutely true and has now been studied extensively (see Joan Meier at GW and her major study), is that when a mother states that abuse has been going on, the majority of the time she is not believed.

But they're not in family court. They are using a private judge that they both agreed to. And apparently there's been a boatload of testimony from all sorts of specialists that have been with the kids.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The judge is correct on this one. Time to shut this down, Angie. You look like a fool and everyone seems to know that but you.

+1 But if she can't win outright delays work in her favor.

+2
Also considering the kind of childhood she had, trying to force claims of abuse on what seems like an ultimately relatively decent person is pretty sick. Yes he made mistakes but I don’t think child abuse was one of them.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:She's poison and he was a fool for drinking it.

+100 and I'm sure he'd agree.

And he left Aniston for crazy. Why?

He's not that bright and AJ is super manipulative. She picked the right mark.

The misogyny and sexism on these anti Jolie posts is difficult to read. It's 2021 and we still hate strong women.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:She's poison and he was a fool for drinking it.

+100 and I'm sure he'd agree.

And he left Aniston for crazy. Why?

He's not that bright and AJ is super manipulative. She picked the right mark.

The misogyny and sexism on these anti Jolie posts is difficult to read. It's 2021 and we still hate strong women.

Nah. Jolie is unlikeable. That's not misogyny, that's her.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:She's poison and he was a fool for drinking it.

+100 and I'm sure he'd agree.

And he left Aniston for crazy. Why?

He's not that bright and AJ is super manipulative. She picked the right mark.

The misogyny and sexism on these anti Jolie posts is difficult to read. It's 2021 and we still hate strong women.

Your gaslighting is difficult to read. It’s 2021. It’s ok to point out the faults of someone who just happens to be a woman. There’s no longer a need to blindly defend someone because of their gender. Individuals can be criticized.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think it’s a window into Jolie’s mind that she’s the daughter of that nutjob Jon Voight and that they’ve had a very strained relationship her whole life. Also that she was hospitalized for anorexia as a teenager and quite obviously still struggles to maintain a healthy weight - that is, heavy enough. Anorexia is notoriously incurable and the most deadly of psychiatric disorders.

The gamut of weirdness Jolie has exhibited over her time in the public eye and the collecting of foreign born adopted children reminds me of Mia Farrow, another unbalanced person who was all about making her breakup from Woody Allen as toxic as possible and making it a lifelong ongoing drama that has damaged their kids and her kids and lots of other people in the collateral damage.

Both of them seem like histrionic personalities, maybe borderline personality disorder is at play. Both of them have messed up their kids in very serious ways by undermining healthy relationships with fathers and other extended family members. Neither is a good mother in my book.

She reminds me of Mia Farrow too. But it's not like Woody Allen is a stand-up guy. I don't know why it's so hard to believe that BOTH halves of an estranged couple can be horrible.

This. Jolie can be flawed and Pitt can be too. A lot of abusive alcoholics and drug abusers come across as “nice people” in public spheres. Pitt sounds like he was not a saint at home. Also, whatever her flaws - and to be clear, I’m no fan - Jolie seems like a dedicated mother and invested in her kids’ wellbeing. As anyone knows, taking a stand against a popular but ultimately abusive partner is an excruciating and lonely ordeal. Brad Pitt may be popular in Hollywood but that doesn’t mean he was a great father or husband.

This x1000. Some of this thread is so uncomfortable to read. (Just a general thought, I'm not coming at anyone.) Yeah, it is lonely, lonely, lonely.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think it’s a window into Jolie’s mind that she’s the daughter of that nutjob Jon Voight and that they’ve had a very strained relationship her whole life. Also that she was hospitalized for anorexia as a teenager and quite obviously still struggles to maintain a healthy weight - that is, heavy enough. Anorexia is notoriously incurable and the most deadly of psychiatric disorders.

The gamut of weirdness Jolie has exhibited over her time in the public eye and the collecting of foreign born adopted children reminds me of Mia Farrow, another unbalanced person who was all about making her breakup from Woody Allen as toxic as possible and making it a lifelong ongoing drama that has damaged their kids and her kids and lots of other people in the collateral damage.

Both of them seem like histrionic personalities, maybe borderline personality disorder is at play. Both of them have messed up their kids in very serious ways by undermining healthy relationships with fathers and other extended family members. Neither is a good mother in my book.

She reminds me of Mia Farrow too. But it's not like Woody Allen is a stand-up guy. I don't know why it's so hard to believe that BOTH halves of an estranged couple can be horrible.

This. Jolie can be flawed and Pitt can be too. A lot of abusive alcoholics and drug abusers come across as “nice people” in public spheres. Pitt sounds like he was not a saint at home. Also, whatever her flaws - and to be clear, I’m no fan - Jolie seems like a dedicated mother and invested in her kids’ wellbeing. As anyone knows, taking a stand against a popular but ultimately abusive partner is an excruciating and lonely ordeal. Brad Pitt may be popular in Hollywood but that doesn’t mean he was a great father or husband.

This x1000. Some of this thread is so uncomfortable to read. (Just a general thought, I'm not coming at anyone.) Yeah, it is lonely, lonely, lonely.

IMO, Jolie's ultra-permissive, ultra-unconventional, and isolative parenting style was abusive. She's an obsessive mother but that's hardly a quality of a good mother.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think it’s a window into Jolie’s mind that she’s the daughter of that nutjob Jon Voight and that they’ve had a very strained relationship her whole life. Also that she was hospitalized for anorexia as a teenager and quite obviously still struggles to maintain a healthy weight - that is, heavy enough. Anorexia is notoriously incurable and the most deadly of psychiatric disorders.

The gamut of weirdness Jolie has exhibited over her time in the public eye and the collecting of foreign born adopted children reminds me of Mia Farrow, another unbalanced person who was all about making her breakup from Woody Allen as toxic as possible and making it a lifelong ongoing drama that has damaged their kids and her kids and lots of other people in the collateral damage.

Both of them seem like histrionic personalities, maybe borderline personality disorder is at play. Both of them have messed up their kids in very serious ways by undermining healthy relationships with fathers and other extended family members. Neither is a good mother in my book.

She reminds me of Mia Farrow too. But it's not like Woody Allen is a stand-up guy. I don't know why it's so hard to believe that BOTH halves of an estranged couple can be horrible.

This. Jolie can be flawed and Pitt can be too. A lot of abusive alcoholics and drug abusers come across as “nice people” in public spheres. Pitt sounds like he was not a saint at home. Also, whatever her flaws - and to be clear, I’m no fan - Jolie seems like a dedicated mother and invested in her kids’ wellbeing. As anyone knows, taking a stand against a popular but ultimately abusive partner is an excruciating and lonely ordeal. Brad Pitt may be popular in Hollywood but that doesn’t mean he was a great father or husband.

This x1000. Some of this thread is so uncomfortable to read. (Just a general thought, I'm not coming at anyone.) Yeah, it is lonely, lonely, lonely.

IMO, Jolie's ultra-permissive, ultra-unconventional, and isolative parenting style was abusive. She's an obsessive mother but that's hardly a quality of a good mother.

+1. What other mother on here is lauded for having so many kids? That in an of itself is called abusive, selfish, and demonstrating some type of mental illness.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think it’s a window into Jolie’s mind that she’s the daughter of that nutjob Jon Voight and that they’ve had a very strained relationship her whole life. Also that she was hospitalized for anorexia as a teenager and quite obviously still struggles to maintain a healthy weight - that is, heavy enough. Anorexia is notoriously incurable and the most deadly of psychiatric disorders.

The gamut of weirdness Jolie has exhibited over her time in the public eye and the collecting of foreign born adopted children reminds me of Mia Farrow, another unbalanced person who was all about making her breakup from Woody Allen as toxic as possible and making it a lifelong ongoing drama that has damaged their kids and her kids and lots of other people in the collateral damage.

Both of them seem like histrionic personalities, maybe borderline personality disorder is at play. Both of them have messed up their kids in very serious ways by undermining healthy relationships with fathers and other extended family members. Neither is a good mother in my book.

She reminds me of Mia Farrow too. But it's not like Woody Allen is a stand-up guy. I don't know why it's so hard to believe that BOTH halves of an estranged couple can be horrible.

This. Jolie can be flawed and Pitt can be too. A lot of abusive alcoholics and drug abusers come across as “nice people” in public spheres. Pitt sounds like he was not a saint at home. Also, whatever her flaws - and to be clear, I’m no fan - Jolie seems like a dedicated mother and invested in her kids’ wellbeing. As anyone knows, taking a stand against a popular but ultimately abusive partner is an excruciating and lonely ordeal. Brad Pitt may be popular in Hollywood but that doesn’t mean he was a great father or husband.

This x1000. Some of this thread is so uncomfortable to read. (Just a general thought, I'm not coming at anyone.) Yeah, it is lonely, lonely, lonely.

IMO, Jolie's ultra-permissive, ultra-unconventional, and isolative parenting style was abusive. She's an obsessive mother but that's hardly a quality of a good mother.

+1. What other mother on here is lauded for having so many kids? That in an of itself is called abusive, selfish, and demonstrating some type of mental illness.

And adopting from all over the world so you can have a mini-UN? I'm mean... there's a lot going on there, and none of it good. And at least one of the adoptions ended up being super shady, with the birth mother coming forward and saying she did not want her kid being adopted, and then changing her mind.