CYA vs SYA Soccer

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Those soccer rankings don’t mean a things. Leagues that use got soccer to track schedules and results inflate the numbers vs teams that only get points from tournaments because leagues like ccl don’t track in got soccer.

Maybe gotsoccer does that (not sure), but the site I referenced doesn’t. Nice try.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Seems like lots of people are pushing for SYA. Just to give the other side of the coin:

Youthsoccerrankings.us has CYA ranked 14th in the state and SYA ranked 31st. Also NPL has a lot less distance to travel than CCL (with NPL the farthest you will travel for league games is Williamsburg, whereas CCL has a Va beach team, a hampton team, a roanoake team, plus williamsburg). I know its travel soccer, but 4 plus hour drive for a single game kinda sucks, plus there are a lot of teams closer and better than say Roanoke.

CCL schedules the Roanoke/VA Beach games on a Saturday and Sunday where it is treated as a tourney where you stay over. The next year they come to you, so it is only every other year. CCL does not publish scores so there are no points rewarded for wins or beating higher ranked teams. Also the CCL season is fall and spring combined with points awarded once a year instead of twice a year like other leagues.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Those soccer rankings don’t mean a things. Leagues that use got soccer to track schedules and results inflate the numbers vs teams that only get points from tournaments because leagues like ccl don’t track in got soccer.

Maybe gotsoccer does that (not sure), but the site I referenced doesn’t. Nice try.

The Youth Soccer Rankings certainly does use GotSoccer to collect data. So if a league is using GotSoccer then so is Youthsoccerrankings.com. The difference is how the information is used but NPL using GotSoccer points provides more data to draw from than a CCL club.

Also of note, Loudoun and Arlington both play in CCL and the lack of CCL reported scores hasn’t artificially dropped their rankings into the 30s.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Those soccer rankings don’t mean a things. Leagues that use got soccer to track schedules and results inflate the numbers vs teams that only get points from tournaments because leagues like ccl don’t track in got soccer.

Maybe gotsoccer does that (not sure), but the site I referenced doesn’t. Nice try.

The Youth Soccer Rankings certainly does use GotSoccer to collect data. So if a league is using GotSoccer then so is Youthsoccerrankings.com. The difference is how the information is used but NPL using GotSoccer points provides more data to draw from than a CCL club.

Also of note, Loudoun and Arlington both play in CCL and the lack of CCL reported scores hasn’t artificially dropped their rankings into the 30s.

Not saying Youthsoccerrankings.us doesn't use gotsoccer's tournament scores. What I'm saying is it's rankings don't punish CCL teams for having less games in their database. Youthsoccerrankings.us bases its score on how well you do against an opponent. The number of games/wins has nothing to do with it. You don't get extra points for more wins. You get points by beating your opponent by more than expected or losing by less than expected. You lose points by winning by less than expected or losing by more than expected.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Seems like lots of people are pushing for SYA. Just to give the other side of the coin:

Youthsoccerrankings.us has CYA ranked 14th in the state and SYA ranked 31st. Also NPL has a lot less distance to travel than CCL (with NPL the farthest you will travel for league games is Williamsburg, whereas CCL has a Va beach team, a hampton team, a roanoake team, plus williamsburg). I know its travel soccer, but 4 plus hour drive for a single game kinda sucks, plus there are a lot of teams closer and better than say Roanoke.

CCL schedules the Roanoke/VA Beach games on a Saturday and Sunday where it is treated as a tourney where you stay over. The next year they come to you, so it is only every other year. CCL does not publish scores so there are no points rewarded for wins or beating higher ranked teams. Also the CCL season is fall and spring combined with points awarded once a year instead of twice a year like other leagues.

Not true. Look at SYA's schedule for next year. Beach FC and VBR Star aren't played on the same weekend. It doesn't make sense that you would play Roanoke and Virginia Beach on the same weekend anyways. Those are at opposite ends of the state. You don't even play VA Rush and Beach FC on the same weekend.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Seems like lots of people are pushing for SYA. Just to give the other side of the coin:

Youthsoccerrankings.us has CYA ranked 14th in the state and SYA ranked 31st. Also NPL has a lot less distance to travel than CCL (with NPL the farthest you will travel for league games is Williamsburg, whereas CCL has a Va beach team, a hampton team, a roanoake team, plus williamsburg). I know its travel soccer, but 4 plus hour drive for a single game kinda sucks, plus there are a lot of teams closer and better than say Roanoke.

CCL schedules the Roanoke/VA Beach games on a Saturday and Sunday where it is treated as a tourney where you stay over. The next year they come to you, so it is only every other year. CCL does not publish scores so there are no points rewarded for wins or beating higher ranked teams. Also the CCL season is fall and spring combined with points awarded once a year instead of twice a year like other leagues.

Not true. Look at SYA's schedule for next year. Beach FC and VBR Star aren't played on the same weekend. It doesn't make sense that you would play Roanoke and Virginia Beach on the same weekend anyways. Those are at opposite ends of the state. You don't even play VA Rush and Beach FC on the same weekend.

Not a SYA parent btw. Sorry we were scheduled to play Roanoke on Saturday then SOCA on Sunday this year (messed that up in prior comment). And the year before we did VA Legacy on Sat then FC Beach on Sunday. Not sure how they will schedule now with VA Rush in the mix...schedules are out but typically change a few times.

[Anonymous]

I think we can all agree that if you are trolling the "soccer rankings" at this age, you need help. Bottom line, those rankings aren't an accurate depiction as to how good a team is.

[Anonymous]

CYA soccer is in a state of disrepair and a downward spiral. All the directors left this spring due to mismanagement by the admin staff and exec director. The tech director left last year for the same reason. They have no tech director right now and I doubt they will hire one. The club is bleeding players and teams and will be lucky if they stay in NPL due to the lack of talent.

Herndon just got into CCL so they might be a club worth looking at. Not saying Herndon is fantastic or anything, but definitely a couple steps up from CYA.

Sure, CYA has some nice fields, but nothing to put on those fields. I'd look anywhere but CYA.

[Anonymous]

We did super Y last year and get the email blast. I guess they were going to merge with SYA at one point and discussions fell through, I feel bad for the families that are caught in the middle of this transaction. My neighbor didn't make the cut with SYA and CYA took him without a tryout, that's the first sign of a club in desperate times.

[Anonymous]

OP, if your 06 son is still looking, let me know. My son's 2006 team has an opening. We play NCSL Division 2. Small club in Fairfax, great one-on-one coaching, and no games further than one hour drive. edrachman7 at gmail.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We did super Y last year and get the email blast. I guess they were going to merge with SYA at one point and discussions fell through, I feel bad for the families that are caught in the middle of this transaction. My neighbor didn't make the cut with SYA and CYA took him without a tryout, that's the first sign of a club in desperate times.

These stories are always funny. They are always riddled with "my neighbor" or "a good friend of mine" said. Never first hand knowledge.

Also, since no CYA/SYA merger seems to be happening there is no reason to feel bad for the families caught in the middle.

CYA has several teams per age group. Taking a kid "sight unseen" does not equate either a struggling team or player placement. Sometimes kids are taken on well after tryouts based on both room and the demonstrated soccer resume provided by the parent. To play on a mid level NCSL team does not require an extensive tryout and evaluation. And, SYA's rosters may simply be maxed to their comfort level and are just unwilling to take on a new player at this point. Neither of which speaks to the ability of the player to not actually make a SYA roster but more to the space available for the player.

CYA Soccer is fine and is part of a overall huge sport program. They are not in desperate times.

[Anonymous]

RantingSoccerDad wrote:Couple of quick things:

- Youthsoccerrankings.us does not use GotSoccer points. It uses GotSoccer as a reference for results, and that's it.

- That said ... yeah, take all rankings with a grain of salt. Use Youthsoccerrankings.us to see where each team played if you like. That's more valuable than saying one team is 14th and another is 20th or whatever.

- CYA did indeed lose a bunch of people.

- There's good reason to be skeptical of both VPL and CCL.

- It's really time for more people in this forum to at least come up with screen names. What exactly are you hiding? You can still be anonymous.

And of what relevance is any of that to a parent who just moved here and is looking for a soccer team for their kid to play on in the Chantilly area?

[Anonymous]

Parent of a son who is a few years older than yours, but he just left CYA last year after years of being there. His last year at CYA was ridiculous on so many levels. And this doesn't have anything to do with him being on the most competitive team playing at the top levels (he's not). It has everything to do with the organization/staffing/decision-making. I don't know too much about SYA so I won't make a pitch for them vs. CYA, but I just wanted to chime in with a vote against CYA. Joined FPYC which is a much smaller club and not nearly as competitive, but he's been very happy there. Guess it depends on what is important to you/your son in a team.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:CYA has several teams per age group. Taking a kid "sight unseen" does not equate either a struggling team or player placement. Sometimes kids are taken on well after tryouts based on both room and the demonstrated soccer resume provided by the parent. To play on a mid level NCSL team does not require an extensive tryout and evaluation. And, SYA's rosters may simply be maxed to their comfort level and are just unwilling to take on a new player at this point. Neither of which speaks to the ability of the player to not actually make a SYA roster but more to the space available for the player.

CYA Soccer is fine and is part of a overall huge sport program. They are not in desperate times.

Guess it depends on what you're looking for. If it's a patch of grass and a ball, CYA is great (they have plenty of grass -- real and fake).

CYA had, roughly a year ago, multiple teams per age group. They'll be lucky if they can field a team at every age group now. I doubt they will be able to. CYA has been bleeding coaches and players for the past year or more, so to say they're fine is sugar coating things. If it's Rec you're interested in, then yes, CYA is fine.

This is all first-hand knowledge, btw. We had both kids in the club up until last year. The fumbling and mismanagement, and almost disdain of the travel program, made it obvious that CYA was not "fine." Good luck to those who decide to stay. The grass is greener elsewhere however (and cheaper).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:CYA has several teams per age group. Taking a kid "sight unseen" does not equate either a struggling team or player placement. Sometimes kids are taken on well after tryouts based on both room and the demonstrated soccer resume provided by the parent. To play on a mid level NCSL team does not require an extensive tryout and evaluation. And, SYA's rosters may simply be maxed to their comfort level and are just unwilling to take on a new player at this point. Neither of which speaks to the ability of the player to not actually make a SYA roster but more to the space available for the player.

CYA Soccer is fine and is part of a overall huge sport program. They are not in desperate times.

Guess it depends on what you're looking for. If it's a patch of grass and a ball, CYA is great (they have plenty of grass -- real and fake).

CYA had, roughly a year ago, multiple teams per age group. They'll be lucky if they can field a team at every age group now. I doubt they will be able to. CYA has been bleeding coaches and players for the past year or more, so to say they're fine is sugar coating things. If it's Rec you're interested in, then yes, CYA is fine.

This is all first-hand knowledge, btw. We had both kids in the club up until last year. The fumbling and mismanagement, and almost disdain of the travel program, made it obvious that CYA was not "fine." Good luck to those who decide to stay. The grass is greener elsewhere however (and cheaper).

Long term CYA will be fine. Again, they are a huge multi-sport organization that has the ability to ride out a rough patch.