Why are kids with extreme behavior issues being mainstreamed?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Don’t let the school bury this. The police need to be involved. This requires police intervention.

That's on the parents of the two affected children.

School is addressing this, not burying it.

If they call a town hall, I will attend.

Getting witness testimony would be helpful for the police. I would contact them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is completely unacceptable. File a police report. If your kid witnessed it, you can file a police report. The victims should press charges. Absolutely unacceptable, criminal behavior. The school is complicit.

You can't charge a fifth grader. Don't be ridiculous.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How do you know the details of the incident?

It's easy to know all the details when you make the whole thing up.

OP here. Too bad for you, I am not making this up.

Our Principal just sent the whole class a message through ParentVue addressing this scissors issue and he said that he and members of student well being team will be meeting with the 5th graders on Monday. He acknowledged that this is a clear violation of Mcps code of conduct.

I'm hoping this child will be removed if students tell him their fears. If the PTA calls for a townhall, I think it will be good.

Screenshot it then.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is completely unacceptable. File a police report. If your kid witnessed it, you can file a police report. The victims should press charges. Absolutely unacceptable, criminal behavior. The school is complicit.

You can't charge a fifth grader. Don't be ridiculous.

Yes you can. There is a juvenile criminal justice system. The parents also should be investigated by police / social services. This is exactly what the police do.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is completely unacceptable. File a police report. If your kid witnessed it, you can file a police report. The victims should press charges. Absolutely unacceptable, criminal behavior. The school is complicit.

You can't charge a fifth grader. Don't be ridiculous.

Of course they can charge a fifth grader. And any resolution to this that does not involve handcuffs is insufficient. No school kid should have their life threatened. What is described in the OP sounds like justification for the victim to have responded with significant defensive force.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:A few SES kids came to my kid's ES this year. They all have shadows. One of them seems to be violent and it is causing anxiety in several kids in the class. This kid has tried lifting a 3rd grader by the neck before. Not sure if the 3rd grader's parents were notified.

Today was a whole new issue. At recess this SES kid ran to another kid in same class who is bigger than him, and tried to tackle him but SES shadow pulled him away. Then he ran to another kid half his size, put his arm around that kid's neck and started punching him in the cheek with other hand. The shadow ran again and pulled him away. My kid says the other kid was crying. After this the SES kid went to teacher's bathroom and knocked a painting that was there.

A few hours later SES kid ran into the class where the 1st child whom he tried to tackle was, went up to him, put a pair of scissors against him and told him "I wanna F'ing kill you. This is attempted murder". The shadow pulled him away. The new teacher started crying.

If I were the parent of any of these other children, I would raise a stink.

What is the purpose of having these kids with extreme behavior issues mainstreamed at the risk of causing fear in other students as well as teachers? Shouldn't they be in self contained classes? There are 2 other SES kids who are not aggressive so those kids being mainstreamed makes sense. But this does not.

My kid likes the school but does not feel safe when things like this happen.

One of the many reasons we reluctantly went private . I just can’t risk DC’s safety.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Everything requires parent approval to put the kid in a new program. Parent response: “he doesn’t do this at home. What are you all doing to set him off?”

MCPS thinks least restrictive environment means mainstreaming even through the LRE laws clearly state it should not impact the other students. MCPS doesn’t want to pay $80k a year to put the kid in a private placement nor can they provide medication support that a kid like this likely desperately needs.

I’m a parent of a kid with SN and behavioral issues. Sure there are some parents who decline services, but most of us are fighting for them. MCPS’ shift to home school model for special ed (keeping kids at their home school rather than placing them in separate programs) means many, many kids are in settings that don’t serve them or their peers. The special education programs that do exist within MCPS are few and frequently short staffed. Private placements are hard to get, and even if you get MCPS on board you then have to find a school that actually has a spot available. It’s frustrating all around.

[Anonymous]

OP here.

Why does every MCPS thread that's a vent attract the crazies? To the poster who expects me to screenshot, why? I know there are some people with agendas against MCPS on here. So no, I am not going to screenshot anything so the Moco news can have an article on this. Our principal is addressing it.

If the affected children's parents are on here and want to pursue this, I will surely support. If they ask parents to join for a meet with principal regarding this, I will join, but I am not going to initiate.

Our principal is doing what needs to be done. They are going to talk to the 5th graders Monday. I am waiting to see what he does.

To the crazy poster (or troll) who thinks this kid needs to be arrested - he needs help and that help is a self contained classroom, not jail.

I just want the Principal to do something about this, escalate and get the county to place him somewhere else, that will help him and also not disrupt the other kids and cause them anxiety. I do not want a 5th grader arrested.

[Anonymous]

Why are you not more outraged with this violent crime? If the school has not contacted police yet, then their response is inadequate.

[Anonymous]

This is why you teach your children self defense. If anyone did that to my kids, they have my permission to put the attacker in the hospital.

[Anonymous]

There's this misconception on here that parents of kids with extreme behaviors WANT them in a mainstream class melting down and creating dangerous situations for themselves all day. It's actually extremely hard to move a kid like this to the safe placement they need, because the Central Office tries to fight the parents! They will say that there is "no data to support the need" for a new setting, a 1-to-1 aide, etc. Anything that involves spending money, COs have figured out it's cheaper to lie to the parent than to follow IDEA. This is why parents have to use school systems sometimes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There's this misconception on here that parents of kids with extreme behaviors WANT them in a mainstream class melting down and creating dangerous situations for themselves all day. It's actually extremely hard to move a kid like this to the safe placement they need, because the Central Office tries to fight the parents! They will say that there is "no data to support the need" for a new setting, a 1-to-1 aide, etc. Anything that involves spending money, COs have figured out it's cheaper to lie to the parent than to follow IDEA. This is why parents have to use school systems sometimes.

*Sue school systems!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:People need to raise a ruckus at the level where policy is created. I assume that IDEA, which is federal, is the reason why dangerous children are mainstream and protected vs protecting the larger society. It wasn’t the intention of the law, but it is a consequence. Time to revisit and reform some aspects.

No snark, but please read the IDEA regs yourself. They are free to read on the DoE website. IDEA actually stipulates that children with dangerous behaviors need to be placed at a private school equipped to handle children like this. Leaving a kid to languish in a placement that cannot meet their needs is a clear violation of IDEA, and Special Education Central Office members flout this constantly. The problem with IDEA is that it's difficult and expensive to enforce at the local level, because parents have to be savvy enough to hire an attorney or know how to write a strong complaint to the state DoE to report illegal activity from the school district.

[Anonymous]

The only thing Florida does right is that families of children with special needs are automatically given vouchers to private schools if they need them. Families don't have to wait for a violent incident to occur, or for the county to stop dragging its feet, for their child to be in a setting that helps them thrive. Most parents still send their kids to the local public, and all education regulations still apply there, but it's a relief for families that they don't have to have a protracted battle with their child's district if they don't agree with their current placement.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP here.

Why does every MCPS thread that's a vent attract the crazies? To the poster who expects me to screenshot, why? I know there are some people with agendas against MCPS on here. So no, I am not going to screenshot anything so the Moco news can have an article on this. Our principal is addressing it.

If the affected children's parents are on here and want to pursue this, I will surely support. If they ask parents to join for a meet with principal regarding this, I will join, but I am not going to initiate.

Our principal is doing what needs to be done. They are going to talk to the 5th graders Monday. I am waiting to see what he does.

To the crazy poster (or troll) who thinks this kid needs to be arrested - he needs help and that help is a self contained classroom, not jail.

I just want the Principal to do something about this, escalate and get the county to place him somewhere else, that will help him and also not disrupt the other kids and cause them anxiety. I do not want a 5th grader arrested.

If you think this is all that needs to be done then I have a bridge and a ship attached to sell you.