Why are kids with extreme behavior issues being mainstreamed?

[Anonymous]

OK pp. Presuming I take you seriously. Drive violent kid.

Is it a kid who does something one time? 3x?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OK pp. Presuming I take you seriously. Drive violent kid.

Is it a kid who does something one time? 3x?

Define. Sorry. What makes a kid violent? How do you define that?

[Anonymous]

This isn’t unique to MCPS, unfortunately, many school systems mainstream. Stop hatin’ MCPS!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:People need to raise a ruckus at the level where policy is created. I assume that IDEA, which is federal, is the reason why dangerous children are mainstream and protected vs protecting the larger society. It wasn’t the intention of the law, but it is a consequence. Time to revisit and reform some aspects.

The law for the most part works very well. I have a kid with a shadow in mainstream as a third grader. He is doing really well now that he’s been pulled off of Learning Center setting. He was not benefiting in that self-contained setting that lacked academic challenge. It’s true that a lot of the kids that have ADHD or autism or alike are also very smart and need to be challenged.

The decision to mainstream my son did not come from me. I resisted the idea in the beginning worrying my child would be bullied or would wander off of school grounds. IEP meetings are held with 6-7 MCPS reps who monitor and test the kids thoroughly. You can’t challenge what’s obvious. If a child will do well in mainstream is carefully considered based on observations throughout school year. I don’t doubt that some might make it through by lawyering up but in general, I don’t believe that its that common.
One should also consider that sometimes awkward behaviors of neurodivergent kids cause Neurotypical kids to make fun of them, bully and provoke behaviors. I witnessed this in my son’s classroom. The star student of the classroom is bullying kids with challenges, such as obesity or stimming behavior. I saw it w/ clarity during chaperoning events. The kid gets away with it because she is very smart and dominant. The bullied kids can only take it for so long before they start bursting.
A lot of blame should also be placed on healthcare system. When my son was being evaluated at children’s national, doctors told me he has mild autism but that they would give him level two or level three diagnosis if I wished so. This was the weirdest thing and I asked why, she said some parents prefer that to get more services at school. This has to be stopped, this culture of handing out diagnosis for school services is one of the reasons why there are so many kids in special education programs which then dilutes the program’s effectiveness . The law is good, maliciously intent to use it for one’s benefit is one of the problems and funding is the other.

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Anonymous wrote:We need to start holding the parents responsible. They truly are if anyone is injured or traumatized. The focus needs to be on the parents.

What do you expect the parents to do? The school had custody of the child during this event, not the parents. The parents wouldn't be allowed in the classroom. And they don't don't get to decide supports or placement for the child.

Parents need to raise their kids right. The parents are the guilty ones.

In other words, you don't have even a passing familiarity with neurodivergent individuals. Move along.

That is not an excuse for violence.

And no one said it is. Read the thread.

The thread is about violent children in school and how parents knowingly release these violent children on the public school system.

You realize you are legally required to send kids to school, don't you? And the schools are similarly required to come up with appropriate placements and supports.

The parents are responsible for selecting an appropriate school for their children. Homeschool, virtual school, in-person public, in-person private, etc.

Any parent who just sends their violent disruptive kid into public school knows they are releasing chaos and harm onto all those students.

It is lazy to blame the public schools when we already know they don’t work for these types of kids.

Adults are trying to talk here. Go back to bed.

You sound guilty. Yes, the harm your child does to all the other kids in school is your responsibility as a parent.

Except it's not. You might want it to be, but you'd just be putting parents in even more of an impossible situation when dealing with MCPS.

The parents need to find a safe solution. Public school isn’t the solution.

If the public school isn't able to accommodate a child, then the school is obligated to find and pay for private placement.

That will still be inadequate. Stop looking to make taxpayers burden the costs of your child. Find a safe solution.

Recommendations please. What is a safe solution that a parent can provide? Remember the solution must be available to all families regardless of their economic circumstances.

No school should have to accept a violent child. Absolutely none. However, publics schools are such a mess that they currently have to.

Parents need to raise their children. In most circumstances, if these kids were properly parented, they would not be violent.

Any parent sending their violent child into an in-person school should accept responsibility for any and all damages.

Safe solutions include virtual school and home school. Shame on any parent who abuses the public school systems.

It's not abusing the public school system. As others have explained again and again, all kids have a right to an education.

If you disagree, then lobby to change the laws. But somehow I doubt you'd be willing to attach your name to your ableist comments.

It's not that I disagree with you. I think all kids should be educated. However, if you pay attention to which way the wind is blowing societally, I can see monitored virtual school in a prison-like environment emerging in more than one state in the near future.

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[Anonymous]

I understand the laws just fine. However, as an elementary teacher who has 5 children with disabilities, 2 of them very violent included into my regular education class, it is overwhelming. Some days I cry from the trauma. Other days I am sick. I now have stage 2 cancer probably from the stress. This is the fourth year with classes of this makeup. The endless paperwork, meetings, emergency calls for support, fighting for services that only get denied, dealing with parents who are angry over something I have no control over, and dealing with paperwork regarding injuries to staff and students never end. It is exhausting. I am so very happy I will end this thankless job when school ends. The abuse must end. My body and soul are tired. I am leaving the country with my two kids on a one way ticket to Portugal. I will figure my life out there. I cannot handle anymore. Those that bash teachers need to do this job for 15 years and see what it does to you.

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Anonymous wrote:People need to raise a ruckus at the level where policy is created. I assume that IDEA, which is federal, is the reason why dangerous children are mainstream and protected vs protecting the larger society. It wasn’t the intention of the law, but it is a consequence. Time to revisit and reform some aspects.

No snark, but please read the IDEA regs yourself. They are free to read on the DoE website. IDEA actually stipulates that children with dangerous behaviors need to be placed at a private school equipped to handle children like this. Leaving a kid to languish in a placement that cannot meet their needs is a clear violation of IDEA, and Special Education Central Office members flout this constantly. The problem with IDEA is that it's difficult and expensive to enforce at the local level, because parents have to be savvy enough to hire an attorney or know how to write a strong complaint to the state DoE to report illegal activity from the school district.

Yes. But what is not dictated is the insanity it takes of paperwork, pressure, and meetings to get that to happen. In all of my 15 years of teaching, it only happened once as this child was committing arson and threatened to kill a neighbor. It was more of the outside school actions and a knowledgeable psychologist that got that child moved. The ruckus he caused in school was minimized and it was very difficult because this child used leg braces and sometimes a wheelchair. It did NOT hinder and if the heinous things he did though. But, being medically disabled with a 504 and IEP made him untouchable and he knew that!

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Looks like this thread has jumped the shark...