What schools are better than the lower Ivies?

[Anonymous]

Real talk:

1. HYPSM (+Caltech)
2. Penn, Duke, Brown, Dartmouth
3. Chicago, Northwestern, Columbia and Cornell

[Anonymous]

For STEM majors like engineering and computer science, there are at least twenty schools that are better than most of the Ivies. Only Cornell and Princeton have competitive programs.

For humanities majors like history and English, it's tough to beat any of the Ivies. Yale, Columbia, Harvard and most of the others are all outstanding.

For overall excellence, there are many schools that offer a similar level of education to the Ivies - Northwestern, Duke, Vanderbilt, Chicago, Rice, as well as SLACs like Swarthmore, Amherst, Williams, Pomona, and Bowdoin.

What almost no one can compete with, however, is the Ivy brand. Only Stanford and MIT have more global prestige. But in the end, it's rather pointless. What matters is fit. Lots of ivy league students regret their choice and would have been better off going elsewhere. The kids I know of at Harvard and Columbia are having a miserable time. Whereas the kids I know of at Notre Dame and Rice are having a great experience. Fit matters much more than minor differences in pedigree.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Real talk:

1. HYPSM (+Caltech)
2. Penn, Duke, Brown, Dartmouth
3. Chicago, Northwestern, Columbia and Cornell

Dartmouth is literally not even T15 now

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Real talk:

1. HYPSM (+Caltech)
2. Penn, Duke, Brown, Dartmouth
3. Chicago, Northwestern, Columbia and Cornell

Dartmouth is literally not even T15 now

I’m also surprised to see Brown in the top 20 these days.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Real talk:

1. HYPSM (+Caltech)
2. Penn, Duke, Brown, Dartmouth
3. Chicago, Northwestern, Columbia and Cornell

Dartmouth is literally not even T15 now

I’m also surprised to see Brown in the top 20 these days.

Why?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Real talk:

1. HYPSM (+Caltech)
2. Penn, Duke, Brown, Dartmouth
3. Chicago, Northwestern, Columbia and Cornell

Dartmouth is literally not even T15 now

I’m also surprised to see Brown in the top 20 these days.

Why?

Brown has been around #15 spot for the past 1-2 decades however they are not known for their academic strengths.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:For STEM majors like engineering and computer science, there are at least twenty schools that are better than most of the Ivies. Only Cornell and Princeton have competitive programs.

For humanities majors like history and English, it's tough to beat any of the Ivies. Yale, Columbia, Harvard and most of the others are all outstanding.

For overall excellence, there are many schools that offer a similar level of education to the Ivies - Northwestern, Duke, Vanderbilt, Chicago, Rice, as well as SLACs like Swarthmore, Amherst, Williams, Pomona, and Bowdoin.

What almost no one can compete with, however, is the Ivy brand. Only Stanford and MIT have more global prestige. But in the end, it's rather pointless. What matters is fit. Lots of ivy league students regret their choice and would have been better off going elsewhere. The kids I know of at Harvard and Columbia are having a miserable time. Whereas the kids I know of at Notre Dame and Rice are having a great experience. Fit matters much more than minor differences in pedigree.

The Ivy brand really only works for the top ivies. Most people globally don’t know that Dartmouth or Brown are ivies, and would likely confuse other top schools for ivies if their heuristic is that an Ivy is a good academic school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For STEM majors like engineering and computer science, there are at least twenty schools that are better than most of the Ivies. Only Cornell and Princeton have competitive programs.

For humanities majors like history and English, it's tough to beat any of the Ivies. Yale, Columbia, Harvard and most of the others are all outstanding.

For overall excellence, there are many schools that offer a similar level of education to the Ivies - Northwestern, Duke, Vanderbilt, Chicago, Rice, as well as SLACs like Swarthmore, Amherst, Williams, Pomona, and Bowdoin.

What almost no one can compete with, however, is the Ivy brand. Only Stanford and MIT have more global prestige. But in the end, it's rather pointless. What matters is fit. Lots of ivy league students regret their choice and would have been better off going elsewhere. The kids I know of at Harvard and Columbia are having a miserable time. Whereas the kids I know of at Notre Dame and Rice are having a great experience. Fit matters much more than minor differences in pedigree.

The Ivy brand really only works for the top ivies. Most people globally don’t know that Dartmouth or Brown are ivies, and would likely confuse other top schools for ivies if their heuristic is that an Ivy is a good academic school.

+1, people are much more likely to be familiar with Stanford, Duke, MIT, etc.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For STEM majors like engineering and computer science, there are at least twenty schools that are better than most of the Ivies. Only Cornell and Princeton have competitive programs.

For humanities majors like history and English, it's tough to beat any of the Ivies. Yale, Columbia, Harvard and most of the others are all outstanding.

For overall excellence, there are many schools that offer a similar level of education to the Ivies - Northwestern, Duke, Vanderbilt, Chicago, Rice, as well as SLACs like Swarthmore, Amherst, Williams, Pomona, and Bowdoin.

What almost no one can compete with, however, is the Ivy brand. Only Stanford and MIT have more global prestige. But in the end, it's rather pointless. What matters is fit. Lots of ivy league students regret their choice and would have been better off going elsewhere. The kids I know of at Harvard and Columbia are having a miserable time. Whereas the kids I know of at Notre Dame and Rice are having a great experience. Fit matters much more than minor differences in pedigree.

The Ivy brand really only works for the top ivies. Most people globally don’t know that Dartmouth or Brown are ivies, and would likely confuse other top schools for ivies if their heuristic is that an Ivy is a good academic school.

+1, people are much more likely to be familiar with Stanford, Duke, MIT, etc.

WTF do "people" matter? Why is ignorance a badge of honor?

Hiring professionals and grad school admissions people matter. Who cares what the man on the street thinks. Who cares about cocktail party prestige?

Most people can't tell fine wine from franzia, that doesn't mean those of us that know better have to drink it.

Damn...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For STEM majors like engineering and computer science, there are at least twenty schools that are better than most of the Ivies. Only Cornell and Princeton have competitive programs.

For humanities majors like history and English, it's tough to beat any of the Ivies. Yale, Columbia, Harvard and most of the others are all outstanding.

For overall excellence, there are many schools that offer a similar level of education to the Ivies - Northwestern, Duke, Vanderbilt, Chicago, Rice, as well as SLACs like Swarthmore, Amherst, Williams, Pomona, and Bowdoin.

What almost no one can compete with, however, is the Ivy brand. Only Stanford and MIT have more global prestige. But in the end, it's rather pointless. What matters is fit. Lots of ivy league students regret their choice and would have been better off going elsewhere. The kids I know of at Harvard and Columbia are having a miserable time. Whereas the kids I know of at Notre Dame and Rice are having a great experience. Fit matters much more than minor differences in pedigree.

The Ivy brand really only works for the top ivies. Most people globally don’t know that Dartmouth or Brown are ivies, and would likely confuse other top schools for ivies if their heuristic is that an Ivy is a good academic school.

+1, people are much more likely to be familiar with Stanford, Duke, MIT, etc.

Duke? Much more Johns Hopkins or Chicago.