What schools are better than the lower Ivies?

[Anonymous]

Aside from Stanford, MIT, Duke, Caltech, which schools do you consider better than the "lower ivies" (Dartmouth, Brown, Cornell)?

[Anonymous]

Why? There is no one rating of all schools

[Anonymous]

UChicago and Northwestern have strong cases IMO. But yes the obvious ones are Stanford, MIT, Duke, and Caltech.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why? There is no one rating of all schools

+1 Can't answer unless you know the major (e.g. Cornell is the top Ivy for Engineering)

[Anonymous]

Some of the SLACs.

[Anonymous]

When will these insipid threads end?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why? There is no one rating of all schools

+1 Can't answer unless you know the major (e.g. Cornell is the top Ivy for Engineering)

Maybe in terms of pure research output (also because Cornell is huge), but I would still say the best ivy undergrad engineering degree is Princeton. In terms of employment, Harvard, Columbia, and Penn seem to do better than Cornell in terms of elite placements too.

[Anonymous]

Better for whom? By what metric?

If you want to major in English, I'm confident that Brown is better than Caltech.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Aside from Stanford, MIT, Duke, Caltech, which schools do you consider better than the "lower ivies" (Dartmouth, Brown, Cornell)?

How is T10 (Brown) "lower?" Also, what a weird question overall. It's a sports conference.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Aside from Stanford, MIT, Duke, Caltech, which schools do you consider better than the "lower ivies" (Dartmouth, Brown, Cornell)?

How is T10 (Brown) "lower?" Also, what a weird question overall. It's a sports conference.

This year is the first year Brown has been T10, it’s typically T15. Given its lack of academic strength I suspect it’ll drop back out of the T10 next year.

[Anonymous]

Notre Dame

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Aside from Stanford, MIT, Duke, Caltech, which schools do you consider better than the "lower ivies" (Dartmouth, Brown, Cornell)?

In my mind, the major problem with Cornell is a lot of people apply to it only because it's an Ivy and then some of them go only because it's an Ivy and they didn't get into any other.

It's my family's legacy school and even though I chose to go to a different university, I think it's pathetic how some people talk it down. It did great things for my family (including a first gen, low income woman in the 1930s) and everyone who went there appreciated the rigorous and thoughtful education they got there. They were Pennsylvania and New York state residents so knew what they were getting into and actively chose the school as their first choice.

It's only a "lower Ivy" for people with crap priorities like "Ivy or bust". It is tiresome listening to smart but narrow-minded prestige seekers bringing up all the standard whines about the rigor, the location, the weather, the partly state-related nature of the university, etc. As well as the debunked excess suicide prevalence discussion.

It's a great school and it's a pity that the student body has become diluted by people who actually don't want to work hard and/or be there.

Whoever is reading this who can be influenced...please don't apply/have your kid apply to "lower Ivies" if you have no interest in going there. Only apply to schools that you are interested in. You won't miss being a student at the "lower Ivies" and they won't miss you.

[Anonymous]

It’s like a disease, this way of thinking

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Aside from Stanford, MIT, Duke, Caltech, which schools do you consider better than the "lower ivies" (Dartmouth, Brown, Cornell)?

How is T10 (Brown) "lower?" Also, what a weird question overall. It's a sports conference.

100%

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Aside from Stanford, MIT, Duke, Caltech, which schools do you consider better than the "lower ivies" (Dartmouth, Brown, Cornell)?

How is T10 (Brown) "lower?" Also, what a weird question overall. It's a sports conference.

This year is the first year Brown has been T10, it’s typically T15. Given its lack of academic strength I suspect it’ll drop back out of the T10 next year.

You have got to be kidding me. Brown lacks academic strength?