What schools are better than the lower Ivies?

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Anonymous wrote:Rough pecking order:

1. HYPSM (+Caltech)
2. Penn, Columbia, UChicago, Duke
3. Brown, Dartmouth, Cornell, Northwestern

If by lower ivies you mean any non-HYP then Stanford, MIT, Caltech are better. If by lower ivies you just mean Brown, Dartmouth, Cornell, then I’d also put Duke and Chicago above those 3 too.

How do you get Chicago in that 2nd group? Are you a Big3 parent?
Chicago's ability to game USNWR helped them rise but that second group is very high for them. Isn't NW ranked above Chicago in every major publication? Even in the midwest, Chicago isn't considered the top undergrad school in the region reputation wise.

Times Higher Education (UK based) has it as their number 13 ahead of JHU (ouch) and UPenn, Columbia, Northwestern, Cornell, Duke, etc
https://www.timeshighereducation.com/world-university-rankings/2024/world-ranking

QS (also out of the UK) has it at 11 and ahead of places like CalTech, Yale and Princeton
https://www.topuniversities.com/qs-top-uni-wur

However I do not believe these roll up rankings are all that useful. It is better to look at individuals programs and there are a few where Chicago is indisputably in the world top 10 if not top 5.

These rankings also suggest UVA is a top 200 and top 300 school... yikes.

The students at UVA are better than the professors. UVA doesn't have highly ranked academic departments.

Nice try.

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Anonymous wrote:None. Ivy carries prestige that sticks with you for life. "He went to an Ivy League school." People are impressed, forever.

My kid turned down Columbia, UPenn and JHU for Berkeley CS.

That only makes sense if you are in-state.

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Anonymous wrote:None. Ivy carries prestige that sticks with you for life. "He went to an Ivy League school." People are impressed, forever.

My kid turned down Columbia, UPenn and JHU for Berkeley CS.

That only makes sense if you are in-state.

Not at all. Berkeley is tops in CS. Only MIT bests it.

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Williams, Amherst, Swarthmore and Pomona.

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Anonymous wrote:Williams, Amherst, Swarthmore and Pomona.

None of these but they are the better SLACs.

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Anonymous wrote:Williams, Amherst, Swarthmore and Pomona.

+1. For undergraduate education, the above schools can't be beat. If parents so fixated on the Ivies, save them for grad school.

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Anonymous wrote:Williams, Amherst, Swarthmore and Pomona.

+1. For undergraduate education, the above schools can't be beat. If parents so fixated on the Ivies, save them for grad school.

Just get a good college degree and skip grad school.

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Anonymous wrote:Aside from Stanford, MIT, Duke, Caltech, which schools do you consider better than the "lower ivies" (Dartmouth, Brown, Cornell)?

UChicago, Northwestern.

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Anonymous wrote:Aside from Stanford, MIT, Duke, Caltech, which schools do you consider better than the "lower ivies" (Dartmouth, Brown, Cornell)?

How is T10 (Brown) "lower?" Also, what a weird question overall. It's a sports conference.

This year is the first year Brown has been T10, it’s typically T15. Given its lack of academic strength I suspect it’ll drop back out of the T10 next year.

correct!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It’s like a disease, this way of thinking

+100

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Anonymous wrote:Williams, Amherst, Swarthmore and Pomona.

+1. For undergraduate education, the above schools can't be beat. If parents so fixated on the Ivies, save them for grad school.

Dartmouth is the grand daddy of all SLACs and is unique among the Ivies in that respect. It’s the best (and only) undergraduate-focused and also liberal arts-centered college in the Ivy League. I would not personally consider the SLACs mentioned as better than Dartmouth.

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Anonymous wrote:Williams, Amherst, Swarthmore and Pomona.

+1. For undergraduate education, the above schools can't be beat. If parents so fixated on the Ivies, save them for grad school.

Dartmouth is the grand daddy of all SLACs and is unique among the Ivies in that respect. It’s the best (and only) undergraduate-focused and also liberal arts-centered college in the Ivy League. I would not personally consider the SLACs mentioned as better than Dartmouth.

4400 students undergrad - is that really a SLAC? What do you consider a SLAC?

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Anonymous wrote:Williams, Amherst, Swarthmore and Pomona.

+1. For undergraduate education, the above schools can't be beat. If parents so fixated on the Ivies, save them for grad school.

Dartmouth is the grand daddy of all SLACs and is unique among the Ivies in that respect. It’s the best (and only) undergraduate-focused and also liberal arts-centered college in the Ivy League. I would not personally consider the SLACs mentioned as better than Dartmouth.

Don’t you think Brown fits this description too?

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Anonymous wrote:Williams, Amherst, Swarthmore and Pomona.

+1. For undergraduate education, the above schools can't be beat. If parents so fixated on the Ivies, save them for grad school.

Dartmouth is the grand daddy of all SLACs and is unique among the Ivies in that respect. It’s the best (and only) undergraduate-focused and also liberal arts-centered college in the Ivy League. I would not personally consider the SLACs mentioned as better than Dartmouth.

Don’t you think Brown fits this description too?

Brown is open curriculum.

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Anonymous wrote:Williams, Amherst, Swarthmore and Pomona.

+1. For undergraduate education, the above schools can't be beat. If parents so fixated on the Ivies, save them for grad school.

Dartmouth is the grand daddy of all SLACs and is unique among the Ivies in that respect. It’s the best (and only) undergraduate-focused and also liberal arts-centered college in the Ivy League. I would not personally consider the SLACs mentioned as better than Dartmouth.

4400 students undergrad - is that really a SLAC? What do you consider a SLAC?

SLAC stands for selective liberal arts college. Not small liberal arts college.