Gaza War, Part 3

[jsteele]

Continuation of this thread:

https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1164509.page

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Wow so latest in Israel times said those naked men rounded up yday won’t be brought to Israel bc they are likely civilians. First idf said they were militants who surrendered, then they said, suspected Hamas militants, then it came to light some are doctors, journalists, artists, then the story evolved to just militants, then buried at the bottom of the latest article it states they will not be moved to Israel bc they are likely civilians who had been sheltering at a Un school. IDF and their propaganda. They are truly evil.

So what's the problem exactly? If they have been ascertained to be civilians and will be freed?

Yes, yes, of course ... let's normalize intentionally humiliating others, depriving them of their liberty, and then we can uncork some faux outrage when they have the audacity to bite back at us.

Ok you are going to say next they were humiliated so now they can't help but become terrorist (aka liberators).

No, but I am going to say that after 50+ years of Zionist terrorism, followed by 75 years (and counting) of state-sponsored terrorism by the State of Israel (and its laughably transparent aim of violently displacing the indigenous population in a drawn-out campaign of terror that is ethnic cleansing by any other name), there might be no hope for the future left in any of those men.

So if someone paraglides into Israel and attempts to harm anyone in sight, don’t reach for your pearls and expect others to defend your apartheid system and institutional racism.

You are not God and judge to tell us how to determine right and wrong. So no, I will not watch Israel suffer through a terrorist attack and then say they deserved it and the attackers did nothing wrong. I have to make this assessment on your orders? While you use the struggles of black people, the political struggles (not terrorism like you are advocating) as a prop in your argument, as if they are characters in your state play? No.

No is a full sentence.

No.

[Anonymous]

I have zero issue with Israel methodically searching through the population of Gaza for Hamas. If no one loses their lives, and they identify terrorist, what could be the argument? Carry on!

[Anonymous]

I have huge issues with Israel killing tens of thousands of innocent civilians as a response to the horrible act on 10/7. Deal with it, I really do not care what you think of me.

[Anonymous]

I’ll ask again: why aren’t middle eastern countries taking in Palestinians? Funny how no one will answer this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’ll ask again: why aren’t middle eastern countries taking in Palestinians? Funny how no one will answer this.

What's funny is that it has been answered thousands of times.

No country is willing to be complicit in the ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians from Israel.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I have huge issues with Israel killing tens of thousands of innocent civilians as a response to the horrible act on 10/7. Deal with it, I really do not care what you think of me.

Where was this outrage over the deaths of civilians in Syria, in Yemen, in South Sudan? Didn't fit your personal truth? Oh yeah, and it didn't involve the Jews. But carry on internet person.

[Anonymous]

Obviously since this is the third thread after a couple of thousand posts, some people are passionate about the Gaza War. I just wonder if it is the same people posing over and over or this thread attracts the majority of people on this site.

I went to Israel 30 years ago with high hopes that as a nonbeliever there would be some type of spiritual epiphany or at least feeling since three major monotheistic religions have roots there. Instead I found some much tension and a feeling of heaviness from everyone from all three religions. (Loved going to Egypt and Jordan on the same trip due to all the amazing ruins).

Since then I just am not interested at all in what happens there. I really wonder what percent of Americans just really don't care much about the plight of anyone in Israel/Palestine and are more focused on other things? Am I an outlier and most Americans are passionate one way or the other?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have huge issues with Israel killing tens of thousands of innocent civilians as a response to the horrible act on 10/7. Deal with it, I really do not care what you think of me.

Where was this outrage over the deaths of civilians in Syria, in Yemen, in South Sudan? Didn't fit your personal truth? Oh yeah, and it didn't involve the Jews. But carry on internet person.

Beacause MY US tax dollars are funding the murder of innocent children by the thousand. That’s why. stop with the antisemite victim card.

[Anonymous]

This war has changed the upcoming American election. The democratic party will not ever recover from this association.

A third party will come finally come forward.

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have huge issues with Israel killing tens of thousands of innocent civilians as a response to the horrible act on 10/7. Deal with it, I really do not care what you think of me.

Where was this outrage over the deaths of civilians in Syria, in Yemen, in South Sudan? Didn't fit your personal truth? Oh yeah, and it didn't involve the Jews. But carry on internet person.

Tens of thousands of people, including thousands of children, have been killed and over a million people displaced. If I have to choose between ignoring the situation or being called a hypocrite, I'll happily go with hypocrite. In fact, I will probably be comfortable with any other names that you will want to call me because I don't think this on-going atrocity should be ignored. I am sorry that you are apparently comfortable with the killing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’ll ask again: why aren’t middle eastern countries taking in Palestinians? Funny how no one will answer this.

What's funny is that it has been answered thousands of times.

No country is willing to be complicit in the ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians from Israel.

That’s your answer? How incredibly typical. Middle eastern countries could be helping the Palestinians evacuate so that Hamas can be rooted out. But they’re not. Because they don’t want the Palestinians and because they don’t want Hamas to be rooted out. It’s very simple, you just refuse to speak the truth.

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’ll ask again: why aren’t middle eastern countries taking in Palestinians? Funny how no one will answer this.

What's funny is that it has been answered thousands of times.

No country is willing to be complicit in the ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians from Israel.

That’s your answer? How incredibly typical. Middle eastern countries could be helping the Palestinians evacuate so that Hamas can be rooted out. But they’re not. Because they don’t want the Palestinians and because they don’t want Hamas to be rooted out. It’s very simple, you just refuse to speak the truth.

How about because almost every Arab country is led by a dictator who doesn't care about anyone but his family and couldn't care less about Palestinians? Even so, this is not their problem to solve. A shared language and religion does not make all Arabs the same. Palestinians are not Egyptians, Moroccans, or Saudis. Moreover, historically, if Palestinians leave their land, they are not allowed to go back to it. Hamas doesn't control the West Bank and the PA would be happy to assist in rooting out the few Hamas members in the area. But, that is not preventing Israel from seizing the land there. What makes you think Gaza would be any different?

[Anonymous]

The Rape of the Israeli Women

So interesting - and disgusting that the progressive left has been completely silent regarding the many rapes of Israeli women by Hamas on October 7. Not just rapes, but mutilation. Apparently, it’s inconvenient for the progressive left to speak out about these atrocities against women committed by Hamas. Just repulsive.
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Several of those involved in collecting and identifying the bodies of the dead told the BBC that they had seen “multiple signs of sexual assault, including broken pelvises, bruises, cuts and tears, and that the victims ranged from children and teenagers to pensioners.” Video testimony of an eyewitness to the music festival, shown to journalists by Israeli police, “detailed the gang rape, mutilation and execution of one victim.” The BBC saw “videos of naked and bloodied women filmed by Hamas on the day of the attack.”

It happened at scale, as part of a pattern, and with a deliberateness that strongly suggests it was systematic. The rape, torture and mutilation of women looks as if it was part of the battle plan. Hamas used sexual violence as a weapon.

Why has the progressive left in the West, for two months now, been disbelieving, silent or equivocal about what Hamas did to women? One answer is that the progressive left hates Israel and feels whatever is done to Israelis is justified.

Why have women’s groups of the progressive left been silent? Because at bottom they aren’t for women; they are for the team.

Why is it important? Because it happened. Because it reveals something about the essential nature of Hamas and reflects its ultimate political goals. Progressives admiringly quote Maya Angelou’s advice that when people show you who they are, believe them. Oct. 7 was Hamas showing you who they are. Believe them.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-rape-of-the-israeli-women-october-7-hamas-gaza-progressives-c2a4cd38?st=v5xjk5x2mdmdm0x&reflink=article_copyURL_share

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:The Rape of the Israeli Women

So interesting - and disgusting that the progressive left has been completely silent regarding the many rapes of Israeli women by Hamas on October 7. Not just rapes, but mutilation. Apparently, it’s inconvenient for the progressive left to speak out about these atrocities against women committed by Hamas. Just repulsive.
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I condemn all sexual violence perpetrated by Hamas.

Will you join me in condemning the killing of innocent Palestinian women by Israel?