Need to dismiss frequently late nanny. What to do re pay?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:No MB is allowed to force me to work overtime unless she has my permission first. Period.

Agree. I am early for work by 10-15 minutes every day yet at least twice a week my bosses come home late. If I'm supposed to be off at 6:00 and they walk in the door at 6:05 and then expect me to sit there and talk about how the day went, it's not right. It goes both ways. Flexibility is important, but employers need to have some respect for their employees and recognize that they may have somewhere to be once their hours are done. And just because you are a few minutes late doesn't mean you don't have to compensate me for my time.

I don't agree that 5 minutes late is a big deal. I know that I like to take a few minutes to talk to my MBs before I leave, even if it isn't about the job but just a few things that we had talked about before. I don't ever expect for them to get home (or when my time is over) and for me to walk right out the door. I know that I generally end up leaving about 10 minutes later than when I get off (sometimes 15 minutes if we really get talking), and so I plan my activities after work with me leaving to be able to get somewhere 15 nminutes AFTER when I get off work. I work multiple PT positions where the parents are generally on time so I don't run into ones being late often, but I usually don't plan very important things for right after work anyways. If I end up having to stay an extra 30 minutes, it won't kill me and I will just end up going grocery shopping or whatnot 30 minutes later. As long as I am paid for my time, and they let me know the day before if they will need more for longer than 30 minutes, I am good. I never like being late, even if something happens on my commute, so I make sure I leave a bit early and might spend a few minutes at a cafe or something before work to waste the last few minutes for those times when I can't show up too early.

You are so effing perfect, you are too wonderful to eff. The Uriah Heep of the nanny world and thar brown around your mouth sure ain't chocolate!

[Anonymous]

^^ Well you're just being rude.

NP here... I also make provisions to get to work early, not simply on time. Most days I get there 10-15 min early, and I usually kill time by hanging out on the roof before heading down if I don't want to walk in that early.

But on days when there's a delay (e.g. traffic, train issues, etc.), the extra time provides me with a security cushion so that I'm either right on time or late by 5 minutes or less (which is very rare).

At any rate, I don't expect to head out the door once my workday is "officially" over, or for the parents to walk right in when 7:00PM hits. FWIW, MB or DB usually gets in 5-15 minutes early. But I still like to spend a few minutes filling them in on what the LO did that day, and important things like when her last bottle was, as well as just catching up with our own personal lives.

I'm not going to nickel and dime them if they're occasionally a few minutes late, nor am I going to rush out the door once they get in. That's just ridiculous.

[Anonymous]

Wasn't there a good book with that title, "Nickled and Dimed"? It explained "market" value of labor, I think. Anyone read it?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Wasn't there a good book with that title, "Nickled and Dimed"? It explained "market" value of labor, I think. Anyone read it?

That's a great book.

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Anonymous wrote:If you're a nanny who cannot be flexible to stay late with little notice, then you need to let your employers know before you accept the job. A nanny routinely arriving to work late is NOT the same thing as an employer regularly getting home late.

There is absolutely, without a doubt, zero excuse for a nanny to be 15 minutes or more late once a week. That shows she is irresponsible, a poor planner, and not very bright (if you don't learn from the mistake after the first few times it happens, when will you learn?)

And while I'm sure she has bills to pay, she should have considered that before she started slacking on her job. Being on time is a requirement of any job.

OP doesn't owe her anything. Any severance will be generous.

The same goes for a consistently late parent right? Irresponsible, a poor planner, and not too bright! When will they learn?! Smh...oh wait, it's probably different if a parent does this because their time is precious, their jobs oh so important, and a nanny is just a grunt whose little plans mean nothing.

[Anonymous]

Again, it comes down to acting like a professional if you want to be treated like one. No one is saying the parents time is more important. They are in the /exact/ same situation. They are expected to show up for work on time. And, for many jobs, they are expected to occasionally stay late if need be.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Again, it comes down to acting like a professional if you want to be treated like one. No one is saying the parents time is more important. They are in the /exact/ same situation. They are expected to show up for work on time. And, for many jobs, they are expected to occasionally stay late if need be.

And their salary commensurates with that expectation, but I guess you thought we didn't know that. When my job paid me $100 an hour, I was more than happy to work late. I could afford to cover my other responsibilities.

So let's compare apples to apples, honey.

[Anonymous]

Apples to apples is that both nanny and parent are expected to show up at the BEGINNING of their work day on time.

[Anonymous]

This thread has nothing to do with late parents. This is a nanny arriving to work late constantly. OP - you've spoken to her about this before and it didn't change. It will not change going forward. You shouldn't give any severance and or notice.

I would give her a written termination letter that is polite but simply states that you are being terminated for frequently not arriving to work on-time. You would date it and sign it. You don't have to ask her to sign it but if she has email, you can email it afterwards.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Apples to apples is that both nanny and parent are expected to show up at the BEGINNING of their work day on time.

Sure, except you convienently, 'forgot' the other part of the equation, which is:

"and both are expected to end the day according to the agreed upon time".

The only exception is if nanny has agreed to something different, or there's a crash on the way home. And even then, parents must have emergency back-up plans in place, for when nanny is unavailable to work overtime. You do NOT own the nanny. Slavery is outlawed. Why do you get forgetting that, Mommy Dearest?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No MB is allowed to force me to work overtime unless she has my permission first. Period.

Agree. I am early for work by 10-15 minutes every day yet at least twice a week my bosses come home late. If I'm supposed to be off at 6:00 and they walk in the door at 6:05 and then expect me to sit there and talk about how the day went, it's not right. It goes both ways. Flexibility is important, but employers need to have some respect for their employees and recognize that they may have somewhere to be once their hours are done. And just because you are a few minutes late doesn't mean you don't have to compensate me for my time.

I don't agree that 5 minutes late is a big deal. I know that I like to take a few minutes to talk to my MBs before I leave, even if it isn't about the job but just a few things that we had talked about before. I don't ever expect for them to get home (or when my time is over) and for me to walk right out the door. I know that I generally end up leaving about 10 minutes later than when I get off (sometimes 15 minutes if we really get talking), and so I plan my activities after work with me leaving to be able to get somewhere 15 nminutes AFTER when I get off work. I work multiple PT positions where the parents are generally on time so I don't run into ones being late often, but I usually don't plan very important things for right after work anyways. If I end up having to stay an extra 30 minutes, it won't kill me and I will just end up going grocery shopping or whatnot 30 minutes later. As long as I am paid for my time, and they let me know the day before if they will need more for longer than 30 minutes, I am good. I never like being late, even if something happens on my commute, so I make sure I leave a bit early and might spend a few minutes at a cafe or something before work to waste the last few minutes for those times when I can't show up too early.

You are so effing perfect, you are too wonderful to eff. The Uriah Heep of the nanny world and thar brown around your mouth sure ain't chocolate!

No, not perfect, I just take my jobs seriously. I was hoping to show some MBs on here that not all nannies are idiots that think they have the right to come in late because the parents comes home a few minutes late, nor that all nannies feel like they need to be paid when you go over by 5 minutes. When my MBs come home and are 10+ minutes late they are always considerate and pay me for the extra time even if I don't ask for it, but I think asking for something for the first few minutes is just being petty.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:No, not perfect, I just take my jobs seriously. I was hoping to show some MBs on here that not all nannies are idiots that think they have the right to come in late because the parents comes home a few minutes late, nor that all nannies feel like they need to be paid when you go over by 5 minutes. When my MBs come home and are 10+ minutes late they are always considerate and pay me for the extra time even if I don't ask for it, but I think asking for something for the first few minutes is just being petty.

It's only petty if it doesn't happen often. If parents are 6, 7, 8 minutes late every day, charging per minute sets essential healthy boundaries on behalf of the nanny. No one is going to look out for her but herself.

[Anonymous]

Apples to apples is that both nanny and parent are expected to show up at the BEGINNING of their work day on time.

Sure, except you convienently, 'forgot' the other part of the equation, which is:

"and both are expected to end the day according to the agreed upon time".

The only exception is if nanny has agreed to something different, or there's a crash on the way home. And even then, parents must have emergency back-up plans in place, for when nanny is unavailable to work overtime. You do NOT own the nanny. Slavery is outlawed. Why do you get forgetting that, Mommy Dearest?

Oh, just shut up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Apples to apples is that both nanny and parent are expected to show up at the BEGINNING of their work day on time.

Sure, except you convienently, 'forgot' the other part of the equation, which is:

"and both are expected to end the day according to the agreed upon time".

The only exception is if nanny has agreed to something different, or there's a crash on the way home. And even then, parents must have emergency back-up plans in place, for when nanny is unavailable to work overtime. You do NOT own the nanny. Slavery is outlawed. Why do you get forgetting that, Mommy Dearest?

Oh, just shut up.

You mad?

[Anonymous]

Ha, ha! Oh, my.