nanny's priorities

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP - While I totally understand your frustration w/your Nanny,
Please note that you can NEVER withhold any of her earnings as a form of punishment.

No matter what she does, she is always entitled to all monies owed her.

+1

I think Op was saying if she shows up late she will not be paid for those hours she missed. So if her start time is at 7:30 and she shows up at 9:30 she won’t be paid for those 2 hours. However, if nanny has PTO, she should be allowed to use it but you can still give her warning and letting her know that her showing up late is causing you to be late for work and that’s something that can’t happen again, otherwise, she needs to be let go. Nanny would not like it if you all showed up 2 hours late.

Op, you already know what to do. You either try to be flexible or end your contract. It’s that simple. It seems like your nanny is enjoying her 50’s and may possibly be getting ready to throw the towel in on caring for children. Me personally, I prefer a set schedule that way I know how to plan out my weeks (I.e, workouts, school, pick up some extra shifts etc.). It sounds like your time with your current nanny is coming to an end, so start your search.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You should be looking for a new nanny now, instead of waiting for your current nanny to leave you in a bind.

100% agree. OP's "nanny" is not a form of reliable or trustworthy childcare.

We are also a doctor family that releases the nanny blocks bimonthly like the hospital releases our schedule. No way if a nanny agreed to that one year and then tried to schedule fixed classes and not work the next year we would keep her.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP - While I totally understand your frustration w/your Nanny,
Please note that you can NEVER withhold any of her earnings as a form of punishment.

No matter what she does, she is always entitled to all monies owed her.

If she doesn't show at on time to because she is doing a scheduled class and hoped for the best, she'd be fired asap by us. Who has time for that BS?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What are her hours?

It sounds like you need someone with more flexibility. She's entitled to a life and to be able to schedule things with out worrying that you will make last minute requests.

She can prob look on the calendar right now and see which dates the kids have no school on Monday or Friday. Then what? Tell the parents to screw it, she'll be at class those mornings.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is the yoga class outside of her normal hours, as the class is? Are you paying her above top dollar to be flexible in her schedule? Sometimes my bosses would like to add hours to my schedule, but that is based on my availability, not their demands. It sounds like you are demanding that she keep a completely open schedule so that you can switch her hours around without any increase in salary. That would certainly not work for me. I value my job and love the family I work for, but I am not owned by them.

No, her classes are within her normal hours. She arrives at 7:30am on full days, we get home at 6pm. So telling us to "get home at 5pm so she can have fun at a yoga class" or that she "free ups at 9am and can get here at 9:30am on Mondays" is like passive aggressive quitting.

We pay to retain her time and flex the 3 full days as needed. she is paid $900/week gross and $800/week net for 40 hours a week where one kid is in school 3 hours/morning and the other is in school 8.5 hours/day and only requires a pickup at 4:30pm. She is in her 50s and does not want 50 hours any longer, she hated working 5 full days, that's why we did the 3 and 2 schedule with flex. This is common for our age group, we know many families that email the nanny a week or weekend before with her hours for the week. And they always change due to doctor shifts, travel, kids off, etc.

If her decisions affect her ability to do her job (ie show up on time when needed), she will not be paid and will be given warning. If a second time, she will be fired, we will do after care until we find a replacement nanny or maybe try an au pair.

My advice would be to look for somebody else. I understand her desire to take classes but if that’s with in her normal hours then she shouldn’t be signing up for them. You need to find a nanny who can accommodate your work schedule and she needs to find a family who require less hours.

[Anonymous]

OP's nanny reminds me of a former nanny of ours who was great to start and then over the years the job dropped down her list of priorities. She would do things like ask to leave early (which requires me to rush out of work to try to beat traffic) so she could go to an appointment and then casually mention on her way out the door that it was for her nails.

[Anonymous]

OP here. Man, time for a real change here.

Today at 5pm she runs out and says "see you Tuesday, Monday is a day off"! I said no it is not, it is not a national holiday and we both have work and both kids have school.

She starts to argue that "all her nanny friends have Monday off and there is no school." I again reiterate that we both have work, preschool is on and so is our private K-12. While talking I recall she had a playdate at our jewish friends house so I add it how we are not jewish, she is not jewish, and everyone has a normal Monday here. Nanny just storms out.

Unclear if she is still giving herself Monday off. We won't be paying her if she No Shows and frankly she'll be getting fired Monday at 5pm. I think we'll find temp full-time care while we do a search. So done with this bad attitude nanny.

[Anonymous]

She doesn't like you anymore. Don't wait until Monday. Tell her tomorrow morning. Did you pay her legally? Because she'll file for unemployment. Yes?

[Anonymous]

only if she was laid off because her position was eliminated.

if someone is fired for talking back to their boss or having a bad attitude or not showing up for work, she does not get unemployment.

how do you get your housekeys, credit card and car seats back when you fire someone saturday morning?

[Anonymous]

meant severance! not sure on the duration rules for unemployment, but it's a fraction of one's regular pay.

i think OP stated a gross/net amount so whatever that is.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP here. Man, time for a real change here.

Today at 5pm she runs out and says "see you Tuesday, Monday is a day off"! I said no it is not, it is not a national holiday and we both have work and both kids have school.

She starts to argue that "all her nanny friends have Monday off and there is no school." I again reiterate that we both have work, preschool is on and so is our private K-12. While talking I recall she had a playdate at our jewish friends house so I add it how we are not jewish, she is not jewish, and everyone has a normal Monday here. Nanny just storms out.

Unclear if she is still giving herself Monday off. We won't be paying her if she No Shows and frankly she'll be getting fired Monday at 5pm. I think we'll find temp full-time care while we do a search. So done with this bad attitude nanny.

Post your job tonight and start interviews this weekend. You can find someone by next week and cut her loose by Friday.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:only if she was laid off because her position was eliminated.

if someone is fired for talking back to their boss or having a bad attitude or not showing up for work, she does not get unemployment.

how do you get your housekeys, credit card and car seats back when you fire someone saturday morning?

You'll have to show the unemployment commission copies of the warning letters you gave her about any problems. And a written job description. Do you have that?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:only if she was laid off because her position was eliminated.

if someone is fired for talking back to their boss or having a bad attitude or not showing up for work, she does not get unemployment.

how do you get your housekeys, credit card and car seats back when you fire someone saturday morning?

You'll have to show the unemployment commission copies of the warning letters you gave her about any problems. And a written job description. Do you have that?

i never heard of a nanny getting unemployment from the state or county. would be something she files, not employer.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:She doesn't like you anymore. Don't wait until Monday. Tell her tomorrow morning. Did you pay her legally? Because she'll file for unemployment. Yes?

Who cares? this nanny sounds terrible!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:only if she was laid off because her position was eliminated.

if someone is fired for talking back to their boss or having a bad attitude or not showing up for work, she does not get unemployment.

how do you get your housekeys, credit card and car seats back when you fire someone saturday morning?

You'll have to show the unemployment commission copies of the warning letters you gave her about any problems. And a written job description. Do you have that?

i never heard of a nanny getting unemployment from the state or county. would be something she files, not employer.

Of course nannies can easily get paid unemployment when they get laid-off. Why wouldn't they? And you had best paid your taxes! Or you're in fat trouble. Is that why you're so worried?