Do we really have to pay her?

[Anonymous]

Personally, I would take you to small claims court but then I would have asked to be paid before leaving. She spend 8 hours working for you. You owe her.

[Anonymous]

I would generally agree that you pay for hours worked. However, if this was a shadow day and not a trial day I think she was wrong to give you no notice when she was supposed to start the next day.
Now that she has asked for the money I would pay it, I wouldnt want to though and I think she is in the wrong.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Say you try out a new restaurant. You eat a meal there. You decide you didn't like the food served there and you will never go back again. However, the waitress hands you the bill for the meal you just consumed. Would you say, "Well gosh we didn't like the food so we feel like we shouldn't have to pay for our meal"?

Say you meet a chef and offer to let him come do a cooking interview, he decides he doesn't like you r restaurant and doesn't want a job, do you pay him? no

Only in this situation, the restaurant served the chef's food to customers. She owes. Period.

[Anonymous]

Depends on intent why she did the shadow day. If she already had another job lined up it's unethical of her and I wouldn't pay.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Depends on intent why she did the shadow day. If she already had another job lined up it's unethical of her and I wouldn't pay.

My God, you people have balls.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Say you try out a new restaurant. You eat a meal there. You decide you didn't like the food served there and you will never go back again. However, the waitress hands you the bill for the meal you just consumed. Would you say, "Well gosh we didn't like the food so we feel like we shouldn't have to pay for our meal"?

Say you meet a chef and offer to let him come do a cooking interview, he decides he doesn't like you r restaurant and doesn't want a job, do you pay him? no

Not the same at all. She already had an interview. And OP said she worked.

You have to pay.

[Anonymous]

OP, if you quit your job on Tuesday, would you expect to be paid for the hours you worked on Monday?

Of course you have to pay her. Sheesh. How is this even a question?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I guess technically you have to pay her. But that takes balls to ask you for payment.

I am a doctor, and with my work I usually have a 1/2 day or so when I start a new job that I don't do any work at all. I just get a computer login, figure out how the system works, learn how to do my part of the billing, create note templates, maybe go a meeting, etc. I always get paid for that time. However, if I just did that, then quit later that day, I would not expect to get paid. If I did, I would consider it a pleasant surprise. I certainly wouldn't call and ask for my payment for those hours.

You aren't doing any portion of your job (seeing to patients) during those hours. A shadow day is more akin to on-the-job training, which is paid.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I guess technically you have to pay her. But that takes balls to ask you for payment.

I am a doctor, and with my work I usually have a 1/2 day or so when I start a new job that I don't do any work at all. I just get a computer login, figure out how the system works, learn how to do my part of the billing, create note templates, maybe go a meeting, etc. I always get paid for that time. However, if I just did that, then quit later that day, I would not expect to get paid. If I did, I would consider it a pleasant surprise. I certainly wouldn't call and ask for my payment for those hours.

You aren't doing any portion of your job (seeing to patients) during those hours. A shadow day is more akin to on-the-job training, which is paid.

Well by your logic then nanny didn't do any portion of her job since her job is to take care of the children while mom goes to work, a shadow day means mom is at home training nanny so therefor nanny should not be paid, per your logic.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I guess technically you have to pay her. But that takes balls to ask you for payment.

I am a doctor, and with my work I usually have a 1/2 day or so when I start a new job that I don't do any work at all. I just get a computer login, figure out how the system works, learn how to do my part of the billing, create note templates, maybe go a meeting, etc. I always get paid for that time. However, if I just did that, then quit later that day, I would not expect to get paid. If I did, I would consider it a pleasant surprise. I certainly wouldn't call and ask for my payment for those hours.

You aren't doing any portion of your job (seeing to patients) during those hours. A shadow day is more akin to on-the-job training, which is paid.

Well by your logic then nanny didn't do any portion of her job since her job is to take care of the children while mom goes to work, a shadow day means mom is at home training nanny so therefor nanny should not be paid, per your logic.

OP already said she had the nanny take care of the kids!

[Anonymous]

Yes, you need to pay her. Please do so promptly.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Say you try out a new restaurant. You eat a meal there. You decide you didn't like the food served there and you will never go back again. However, the waitress hands you the bill for the meal you just consumed. Would you say, "Well gosh we didn't like the food so we feel like we shouldn't have to pay for our meal"?

Just like Judge Judy always says on her program, "You eat the steak...So you must pay for it... "

A shadow/trial day consists of not only learning the ropes, but most importantly to see if the nanny & family are compatible.

She set aside a time block for you OP, then came and did her duties. So yes, she must be financially compensated for both her time as well as her help.

To not do so would be illegal + unethical of you. It wasn't her fault that you had to pay more for someone else the next day.

No final outcome was promised, that is what your trial day was for. Employees usually are paid for their job training.

Sorry.

[Anonymous]

If you're really debating if you should pay this nanny who spent time working for you, I'm not surprised she saw red flags in other areas and quit.

Good luck keeping the next nanny, you should like a terrible employer.

[Anonymous]

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[vactryby]

Boy, what a tough crowd. What I get lost on is the intent of "shadowing". I didn't think that was "training". I sent my son to his private school, along with others, to "shadow" to determine if that was the right one for him. He didn't have to sit and do the school work, nor was he attributed time for his education. He was considered absent from his normal school.

Hopefully an attorney can chime in, but I believe that unless she filled out tax forms, or has a piece of paper that acknowledges her as an employee, she's not. A day of shadowing is just that. Stand in the corner and watch, taking in information to make that final decision. She shouldn't have been required to lift a finger, and if she did, it was volunteer. However, it wouldn't be worth the $80 argument, just an $80 lesson learned to make it clear for the next one. Just my two pennies....