The family did not have differing styles of utensils, just two sets they apparently kept separate. Plates and dishes were white for both sets, but had either a red or blue ringed accent. |
I agree. But it's pretty farfetched to force a nonbeliever into a believer when they aren't on board with your same beliefs. I think I'd try to get someone on board from the getgo. |
Jewish person here. It's not forcing someone to believe what you believe when you ask them to maintain your household rituals (that happen to be steeped in religion). It's like the owner of a house saying "We have mail and newspapers delivered daily. Mail goes here in this spot, while the newspaper goes there in that spot. It's very important to us each goes in its respective spot." And then the person saying "Screw that - I'll just toss the mail in the newspaper spot because it's closer to where I'm standing." To all you non-Jews who worry about screwing up the kosher kitchen, just try your hardest and if you make a mistake, what a rabbi would say is that the mistake is an honest one and it wasn't made by the Jewish person which makes it even less bad, so just try to do it right going forward. I know people who keep Kosher, and when they're having a party or people new to their home, they tape post-its to the different cabinets and drawers that say "Meat" and "Dairy" so it will be easy for others to keep things straight. |
Here's the thing. For some people, what they do needs to make SOME kind of sense. So if you said please put the mail in the corner of the playroom in the basement, it'd take a pretty special person to do that. And then worry about your kid ripping up your mail. Personally, I'm fine with different religious observations. In fact, we traveled quite extensively as children, in order to learn about different cultures. As a side note, there's a health benefit to the separation of meat and dairy. Few people seem to be aware of that. |
It's not really the same thing as saying "put the mail in the corner of the playroom in the basement." It's based on religious beliefs and just because it doesn't make total sense to you doesn't make it ok to be so disrespectful and ignore what is important to them. FWIW, I'm Jewish but I'm reform and don't keep kosher and really don't understand the strictest of Kosher rules. With that said though I wouldn't intentionally ignore someone's religious beliefs that are presumably important to them. As a PP said, if you make an honest mistake no one would be upset about it but to blatantly and purposefully ignore their rules is incredibly obnoxious and doesn't just make you a bad nanny but makes you a bad person. If it's so much trouble for you to put the utensils and dishes in the right place then you need to do the family a favor and quit so they can find someone more respectful. How would you feel if a family refused to allow you to follow your personal religious beliefs? |
I'm the PP that worked for the jewish family, and I agree with you. If it made sense I would do it but this was just silly and a ton of extra work. When you ask me to put the kids underwear in the bottom drawer I will do it even thought it is silly because it's simple, but when you ask me to do twice as much work, run two dishwashers, boil stuff, and run around crazy in the kitchen for a reason only you care about then I just can't do that unless you are paying extra. |
Then you should have never accepted the job or found a new one. That is really disrespectful. |
I think that's key. Paying extra, and/or extra perks. For nanny to go above and beyond, you have to compensate above and beyond. What's fair, is fair, no? |
Then you shouldn't be working for that family. What if the family said, "we don't believe in Jesus so it doesn't make sense to us to celebrate Christmas, therefore you need to work on Christmas. You can have Rosh Hashana off instead." It's fine if you think it's too much work but then don't work for them. It's really disrespectful to just ignore their wishes without telling them how you feel. |
You're being disingenuous here, and I think you know it. Expecting a non-believer to observe your religious customs, would be like expecting you to go to church on Christmas. |
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if you can't respect the wishes of your employer, don't take the job.
Jews don't care if you believe what we believe. But if you take a job, you need to respect that and it really isn't difficult. If you can't do the basic functions of your job, you're a moron. We're Jewish and are vegetarian. Much easier. |
No it's not like expecting me to go to church on Christmas. That would be like expecting the nanny to go to Synagogue on Yom Kippur which no one has advocated for. It's about respecting someone's home and property and beliefs. Again, if you don't want to do it, then get another job. It's more disingenuous to take a job with certain expectations and then just to decide not to do them because you think it's too much work. Then instead of talking to your employers about it you just pretend to do it instead. If you think you deserve a salary increase then ask for it. I'm not saying it isn't extra work and that it's not worth paying extra for. I don't understand though how anyone can say it's ok for her to pretend to keep their house kosher but not actually be bothered to do it. That's wrong for SO many reasons. |
| It doesn't need to be all this extra work though. Putting the dairy forks in the dairy drawer instead of the meat drawer is just like putting the tongs in the drawer with the other utensils instead of the cabinet with the pots. Feed the kids just dairy foods and it's really not a big deal. Nanny is an ass. |
Your problem is you're dealing with a low-income disrespected population of applicants. Most of them don't much care about respecting anyone's religion. They need "bacon" on the table for themselves and their families. That's all. |
| Pro tip: if you want someone to do your jewish stuff, then hire a jewish nanny who will care enough to do the work required. Otherwise pay well above the norm and make sure you point out that you are paying X dollars per hour more than you would for just childcare because of the extra work required to observe your laws and if I know (or feel) like I am being paid "specifically" to do these extra chores then I will do them. |