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[Post New]03/10/2019 23:04
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:I wonder if it would be feasible or reasonable to try a subform in Political that is login only. That way you could see if people would chose it preferentially and how it would work.

No one would use it. Look at explicit.

1. I don’t hang out in explicit, but a quick glance suggests it’s getting plenty of action. Hard to know how big the audience was spread before the change though.
2. If the number of people interested in a registered politics forum is small, then it will die a natural death. Or alternatively, it might thrive while the anonymous politics forum turns into an echo chamber of enraged trump supporters.

Seems like a good solution because the two-forum approach allows a space for everyone rather than discouraging anyone from participating.


Trump supporters don’t discourage participation. They just don’t agree with liberals and it makes you uncomfortable.

Those differences of opinion sure are discouraging!

Also the owner and mod deletes lots of opinions that are “discouraging,” so it’s a relatively safe space for you.

Agree. Imagine what the forum would look like if the mod didn't actively delete, or even ban, so many conservatives. If he allowed less censorship, his liberal base would see just exactly how upset people are with the progressive leftists now hijacking the D Party.


They all appear very reasonable to me... because I wasn't comfortable about how everyone had shifted to the right in recent years.
Also, when did "socialist" become an insult? I'm European, and in many European countries, it's just one of the many legitimate categories of the political spectrum. Warren isn't helping with her "I'm not a socialist" comment. She's intellectual, but tone-deaf. Not good Presidential material.

[Post New]03/10/2019 23:07
Anonymous
jsteele wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Cool! just made an account

TRUMPMAGAFOREVERGODEMPEROR

just kidding, but I'm curious to see how it goes


Within two minutes of the forum being created, someone registered "TrumpSux".


I was debating whether to go "fake trump supporter" vs. "trump hater".

[Post New]03/10/2019 23:08
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I wonder if it would be feasible or reasonable to try a subform in Political that is login only. That way you could see if people would chose it preferentially and how it would work.

No one would use it. Look at explicit.

1. I don’t hang out in explicit, but a quick glance suggests it’s getting plenty of action. Hard to know how big the audience was spread before the change though.
2. If the number of people interested in a registered politics forum is small, then it will die a natural death. Or alternatively, it might thrive while the anonymous politics forum turns into an echo chamber of enraged trump supporters.

Seems like a good solution because the two-forum approach allows a space for everyone rather than discouraging anyone from participating.


Trump supporters don’t discourage participation. They just don’t agree with liberals and it makes you uncomfortable.

Those differences of opinion sure are discouraging!

Also the owner and mod deletes lots of opinions that are “discouraging,” so it’s a relatively safe space for you.


+100
Thank you. Finally, someone rational. No one who identifies as a liberal is going to admit this, but the political forum has become a zoo not because of Trump supporters, but because of deranged loony liberals. Some of them seem to be authentically nuts - witness the thread from earlier today (deleted?), full of posts by liberals insisting that the way to control guns is to actually round up gun owners and kill them. I mean, this is the level of discourse we're dealing with here.

The Covington thread was (is?) full of nutters who absolutely HATE Nick Sandmann... for smiling? They seem unable to come up with any other reason to hate him, but those are some of the most hateful posters I've come across.

Some of the most articulate, common-sense posts come from Trump supporters and/or conservatives. It's the wacko liberals who make it impossible to debate the issues without them flying into profanity-laced rages when they realize that you don't agree with them and can articulate why - while they're left spluttering f-this and f-that, and zero substance. It's actually quite a chore to deal with them at all.
[Post New]03/10/2019 23:09
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I wonder if it would be feasible or reasonable to try a subform in Political that is login only. That way you could see if people would chose it preferentially and how it would work.

No one would use it. Look at explicit.

1. I don’t hang out in explicit, but a quick glance suggests it’s getting plenty of action. Hard to know how big the audience was spread before the change though.
2. If the number of people interested in a registered politics forum is small, then it will die a natural death. Or alternatively, it might thrive while the anonymous politics forum turns into an echo chamber of enraged trump supporters.

Seems like a good solution because the two-forum approach allows a space for everyone rather than discouraging anyone from participating.

Trump supporters don’t discourage participation. They just don’t agree with liberals and it makes you uncomfortable.

Those differences of opinion sure are discouraging!

Also the owner and mod deletes lots of opinions that are “discouraging,” so it’s a relatively safe space for you.

You’d be perfectly free to post your views in a registered forum. If they’re substantive comments, people will engage with you. If you’re just posting bad faith troll comments, people can better identify and avoid you. Not sure why you’d possibly oppose that.


DP. I completely agree. And I would say the same to you and your fellow liberals. Let's see how many actually register and participate in rational, polite debate.
[Post New]03/10/2019 23:11
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I wonder if it would be feasible or reasonable to try a subform in Political that is login only. That way you could see if people would chose it preferentially and how it would work.

No one would use it. Look at explicit.

1. I don’t hang out in explicit, but a quick glance suggests it’s getting plenty of action. Hard to know how big the audience was spread before the change though.
2. If the number of people interested in a registered politics forum is small, then it will die a natural death. Or alternatively, it might thrive while the anonymous politics forum turns into an echo chamber of enraged trump supporters.

Seems like a good solution because the two-forum approach allows a space for everyone rather than discouraging anyone from participating.


Trump supporters don’t discourage participation. They just don’t agree with liberals and it makes you uncomfortable.

Those differences of opinion sure are discouraging!

Also the owner and mod deletes lots of opinions that are “discouraging,” so it’s a relatively safe space for you.

Agree. Imagine what the forum would look like if the mod didn't actively delete, or even ban, so many conservatives. If he allowed less censorship, his liberal base would see just exactly how upset people are with the progressive leftists now hijacking the D Party.


I actually can see a real difference in the political forum from just a year or so ago. There was a time when even typing "illegal immigrant" would get you banned from DCUM. Now, it's unavoidable - it's become a nationwide topic of discussion and debate, and those posts don't get deleted anymore. It's become a much more interesting, two-sided conversation.
[Post New]03/10/2019 23:14
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:I used to love the Politics forum, but it has become pointless with all the Trump defenders changing the topics within threads so that intelligent discussion is impossible.

I would be happy to register.


You must be joking. Here's a sample of a typical exchange on the Political forum:

Conservative: Illegal immigration has got to stop.

Liberal: You f-ing racist! You bigot! You garbage MAGAt!!! STFU!!!!




[Post New]03/10/2019 23:15
jsteele
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Perhaps you guys could stop talking politics in Website Feedback and make use of one of the THREE political forums we now have?
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[Post New]03/10/2019 23:18
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I wonder if it would be feasible or reasonable to try a subform in Political that is login only. That way you could see if people would chose it preferentially and how it would work.

No one would use it. Look at explicit.

1. I don’t hang out in explicit, but a quick glance suggests it’s getting plenty of action. Hard to know how big the audience was spread before the change though.
2. If the number of people interested in a registered politics forum is small, then it will die a natural death. Or alternatively, it might thrive while the anonymous politics forum turns into an echo chamber of enraged trump supporters.

Seems like a good solution because the two-forum approach allows a space for everyone rather than discouraging anyone from participating.


Trump supporters don’t discourage participation. They just don’t agree with liberals and it makes you uncomfortable.

Those differences of opinion sure are discouraging!

Also the owner and mod deletes lots of opinions that are “discouraging,” so it’s a relatively safe space for you.

Agree. Imagine what the forum would look like if the mod didn't actively run his own forum the way he chooses, while freely encouraging those who don't want to do it that way (at his own site) to go elsewhere, if they like.


FTFY

OK.....so he's doing that. He's hiding how upset voters are with progressives in the party and thus leading his liberal base to believe the country is behind them. He'd do y'alll more of a favor if he allowed y'all to see how angry people are. But, hide your head in the sand, and be prepared for another surprise come Election Day.

(And you really shouldn't change the words of posters with whom you disagree. State your differing opinion, but to obliterate the words of a conservative is really pretty low. More silencing of opposing voices.)


Totally agree.
[Post New]03/10/2019 23:20
Anonymous
jsteele wrote:
Anonymous wrote:OK.....so he's doing that. He's hiding how upset voters are with progressives in the party and thus leading his liberal base to believe the country is behind them. He'd do y'alll more of a favor if he allowed y'all to see how angry people are. But, hide your head in the sand, and be prepared for another surprise come Election Day.

(And you really shouldn't change the words of posters with whom you disagree. State your differing opinion, but to obliterate the words of a conservative is really pretty low. More silencing of opposing voices.)


I don't think that anyone is surprised that right-wingers don't like the progressive wing of the Democratic Party. Moreover, that dislike is hardly suppressed in the forum. Your mistake is the believe that right-wingers represent anything more than right-wingers.


You (and others) might want to stop calling everyone who disagrees with progressives, "right-wing". There are plenty of independents and moderates who do not identify with liberals in the least.
[Post New]03/10/2019 23:22
PoliticalAnonymous
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jsteele wrote:Perhaps you guys could stop talking politics in Website Feedback and make use of one of the THREE political forums we now have?


Thank you!
[Post New]03/10/2019 23:28
Anonymous
Jeff - do you want the new forum to show up in recent topics?
[Post New]03/10/2019 23:34
jsteele
Site Admin Online
Anonymous wrote:Jeff - do you want the new forum to show up in recent topics?


Initially yes. I think a lot of people abandoned the Political Forum and maybe they can be attracted to the new forum.
[Post New]03/11/2019 00:04
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:It’s a really useless forum now. There are two or three Trump supporters who post incessantly and they aren’t obsessed with illegal immigration and generalizing every evil thing as what liberals want. It’s getting old.


I've seen this happen in a few different forum sites now, over the course of a few years.
Right-wingers swoop in and turn every discussion into talking-point slinging, and it's impossible to have a meaningful discussion.

I'm not saying that anyone here is Russian (the Russians just piggy-backed on the propaganda of Fox and the right anyway), but the Russian *strategy* is worth learning about:

(Wikipedia on a Russian troll farm)


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_web_brigades

To avert suspicions, the users sandwich political remarks between neutral articles on travelling, cooking and pets.[29] They overwhelm comment sections of media to render meaningful dialogue impossible.[44][45]

“ The effect created by such Internet trolls is not very big, but they manage to make certain forums meaningless because people stop commenting on the articles when these trolls sit there and constantly create an aggressive, hostile atmosphere toward those whom they don’t like. The trolls react to certain news with torrents of mud and abuse. This makes it meaningless for a reasonable person to comment on anything there.[28]


That last bolded is exactly what happened in the Politics forum.


(ps: to pre-respond to the reply I'll get from a rightwinger: Clinton sat through days of Benghazi hearings that the GOP admitted were not real, and just designed to damage her politically, and nothing was found on her - it turned out to be total BS. Meanwhile, Trump is a corrupt criminal. Yes, you should expect a different reaction about a criminal president. Both sides are not equal. Sorry the right doesn't care about facts, but I do.)
[Post New]03/11/2019 22:19
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I wonder if it would be feasible or reasonable to try a subform in Political that is login only. That way you could see if people would chose it preferentially and how it would work.

No one would use it. Look at explicit.

1. I don’t hang out in explicit, but a quick glance suggests it’s getting plenty of action. Hard to know how big the audience was spread before the change though.
2. If the number of people interested in a registered politics forum is small, then it will die a natural death. Or alternatively, it might thrive while the anonymous politics forum turns into an echo chamber of enraged trump supporters.

Seems like a good solution because the two-forum approach allows a space for everyone rather than discouraging anyone from participating.


Trump supporters don’t discourage participation. They just don’t agree with liberals and it makes you uncomfortable.

Those differences of opinion sure are discouraging!

Also the owner and mod deletes lots of opinions that are “discouraging,” so it’s a relatively safe space for you.

Agree. Imagine what the forum would look like if the mod didn't actively delete, or even ban, so many conservatives. If he allowed less censorship, his liberal base would see just exactly how upset people are with the progressive leftists now hijacking the D Party.


I actually can see a real difference in the political forum from just a year or so ago. There was a time when even typing "illegal immigrant" would get you banned from DCUM. Now, it's unavoidable - it's become a nationwide topic of discussion and debate, and those posts don't get deleted anymore. It's become a much more interesting, two-sided conversation.


Couldn't agree more.
[Post New]03/12/2019 00:23
Heloise
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Jeff, perhaps you could post something in the original politics forum letting people know about the new one? I had no idea you’d created the new one until about ten minutes ago when I checked in on this thread and saw the discussion.
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