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Anonymous
| At that point you're just forming what should have been the VA state ODP team for those age groups - best players in the state. That's why state ODP / regional ODP teams don't normally compete against club teams, and why travel teams don't compete against rec teams. |
Anonymous
| I'm hoping for a consolidation of talent..instead of half decent teams with talent spread out in a small geographical area. |
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Isn't that pretty much the sentiment that, in part at least, drove the creation of CCL, EDP, ECNL, and now DA? i.e. soccer people seeking to capture what they are convinced is elite talent under a common format that they can control? Seems like youth soccer would be healthier under a much larger platform with multiple levels, and promotion/relegation. We kind of have that now except it's less formal. Top level is GDA, teams that can't cut that or don't like the format, do ECNL, then CCL, EDP, NPL, NCSL, and so on. Clubs move between leagues on their own accord. Very good for creating pissing matches like this thread. |
Anonymous
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It's already been created bud. Get in where you for in
Consolidation NOW (I'm starting a movent. Stay tuned in for rally dates). |
Anonymous
The level of opposition matters a lot though. You could take just about any U16 DA or ECNL player and put her on the field in an NCSL D3 game, and she's going to look like a world beater - especially in a highlight video. Any half-way decent coach is going to want to know who she's playing against. A actually good coach would be able to tell from the video itself. |
Anonymous
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Here's a guy with an experienced perspective taking it to another level writing a helpful guide on DC area soccer: https://rantingsoccerdad.com/guide-to-youth-soccer/about-the-area-guides/
Like this blurb from it: "“Elite” leagues in general: One unintended consequence of the DA and the ECNL is that they’ve accelerated the arms race in youth soccer. Clubs are scrambling to join “elite” league to bolster the perception that they can still get your kid into college soccer. In some cases, it’s nothing more than perception. The club is desperate to avoid being left behind. The league needs more numbers — and maybe the last-place teams need someone to beat. So the league expands to include that club." Loudoun joining the ECNL was a retailiatory and proportionate counter strike, but then there is now the ASA preemptive strike to add a D.A. inside the beltway. They had good teams, were they really so desperate to avoid losing players that the perception mattered of not being left behind? Agree that the arms race “winners” really will still be the same top clubs in the end, but the analogy to a costly arms race works. Same local scene, players, coaches, fields, and "winner" big clubs, but more intense now in terms of cost and time commitment due to the "elite soccer" "arms proliferation." |
Anonymous
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Girls ECNL Class of 2018: 1,507
Total Players Playing Collegiate Soccer: 1,156 Division I: 794 Division II, III, NAIA: 361 Undecided: 327 Perception or reality? |
Anonymous
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Loudoun getting ECNL was a counterstrike by ECNL board.
Loudoun can not field a single competitive ECNL team. FCV DA is top dog in area and practices a mile away. They already peeled off the top 04 and 05 Loudoun players. The trend will continue. There is no pool to replace the fleeing talent. Loudoun should have partnered with WS, but sold their soul to FCV. Now the PARTNERSHIP is over and Loudoun is laying on their back looking at the ceiling wondering what the heck just happened. |
Anonymous
Yes yes, we've all seen the slides at the McLean meeting......or heard about them......or had the coaches show us. |
Anonymous
Ok, so.....do you believe the stats or do you believe otherwise? |
Anonymous
| Colleges recruited pre-2009 as well. Same #s too. Now, it is just more expensive. |
Anonymous
| Ok, well try the 2009 method in 2019 and tell me the results |
Anonymous
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Will the GDA combine U16 and U17 again next year? Assuming the current u16/17 teams are half 01
and half 02, what are WS / FCV’s plans for the half of the 03s that get caught in the numbers game? |
Anonymous
I could care less either way. But the stat is prob true. Those kids have been recruited for college for a few seasons. And why would they have changed clubs/teams during that, there isn't a great reason to. The stat has no meaning to the younger kids, current U-14 and below. Which club/coaches will develop the player to reach their potential? That's all I care about. That's all anyone should care about. The two leagues cost nearly the same. Once DA has more "kids of their own" they will put kids in college as well. They will be costing nearly the same as well. All that's left is what's supposed to matter. The kids development. I personally don't think parents and some players really know what they want from this environment. It has to be more that being in the better "elite" league. The colleges will go where the talent is to recruit. That's true in any sport. Loyalty to a league make absolutely no sense to me in regards to the U-14s and below. |
Anonymous
Exactly his point. Same end result then, but different process now requiring every club and its brother to have its "elite" option. It does look like an arms race. |