Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Schools are not a democracy. They have dress codes, zero tolerance for somethings and can decide that students stand for reciting of pledge of allegiance as well as standing for national anthem. Principals run the school not the students.

In Texas, this idiot lawyer will lose.

The Supreme Court of the United States disagrees with you. And has since 1943. But thanks for playing.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Virginia_State_Board_of_Education_v._Barnette


For the love of peanut butter, would you people please take civics!!!!

That kid doesn’t have a right to disrespect the flag. If you are saying the supremes are sacrosanct I will merely point out the Dred Scott decision and tell you to start over. Good try tho!

Anonymous wrote:Just wow, OP. I've been reading the politics forum pretty regularly for the last year, and I have one big takeaway. No child should be allowed to graduate from high school without taking a year of civics and passing a test of minimal competency.

I read the OP to my two HS kids, both of whom took 8th grade civics and passed the SOL, and they both said: but the first amendment says the teach can't do that.

Rise to the level of a high school freshman OP. You should be embarrassed that you have a weaker grip on this stuff than a 14 year old.

Anonymous wrote:The kid is within his constituional rights, but it's dad that the liberal educational system have created an environment in which students don't want to pledge allegiance to their country. It's the whole "diss America" trend that's going around.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Schools are not a democracy. They have dress codes, zero tolerance for somethings and can decide that students stand for reciting of pledge of allegiance as well as standing for national anthem. Principals run the school not the students.

In Texas, this idiot lawyer will lose.

The Supreme Court of the United States disagrees with you. And has since 1943. But thanks for playing.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Virginia_State_Board_of_Education_v._Barnette


For the love of peanut butter, would you people please take civics!!!!

That kid doesn’t have a right to disrespect the flag. If you are saying the supremes are sacrosanct I will merely point out the Dred Scott decision and tell you to start over. Good try tho!

Anonymous wrote:The kid is within his constituional rights, but it's dad that the liberal educational system have created an environment in which students don't want to pledge allegiance to their country. It's the whole "diss America" trend that's going around.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The kid is within his constituional rights, but it's dad that the liberal educational system have created an environment in which students don't want to pledge allegiance to their country. It's the whole "diss America" trend that's going around.

Maybe not so much the liberal education system as the fact that police are shooting kids without facing any consequences. Just sayin'.

FruminousBandersnatch wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The kid is within his constituional rights, but it's dad that the liberal educational system have created an environment in which students don't want to pledge allegiance to their country. It's the whole "diss America" trend that's going around.

Maybe not so much the liberal education system as the fact that police are shooting kids without facing any consequences. Just sayin'.

And, just maybe, it's a response to all these people who claim to love America, love the flag, love the anthem, love the Constitution, etc. but who seem to have such a poor grasp of what those things actually mean.

Those who blindly stand up for the flag and and the anthem will say, "The Muslims/Russians/villain du jour HATE our FREEDOM" while simultaneously:

- applauding (and electing) religious zealots like Roy Moore (and Mike Pence) who treat religion in America the way AT&T used to sell phones ("You can have any color as long as it's black, and you can be any religion you want, as long as it's the right kind of Christian"),

- endorsing policies that are explicitly designed to be racist (like the Republican supported voter ID laws, particularly the ones in Texas and NC),

- endorsing policies that are explicitly sexist ("You want our company to provide you with health insurance that covers birth control? You SLUT! Don't you know God hates sinners like you? God wants us to be fruitful and multiply - that's why our insurance covers my Viagra!")

- endorsing policies that are explicitly discriminatory towards homosexuals and those who live alternative lifestyles ("Gay marriage threatens the foundations of our society!" "Gay marriage is a threat to my marriage!" "The Bible says we should hate gays!")

at the same time the Internet is letting people get information about how things are done in other countries as it relates to education, the environment, gun control, health care, social safety nets, etc., and they look at the US and say, "Hmm...Perhaps we may not be as exceptional as these people keep claiming."

Maybe you shouldn't bemoan the "diss America" trend, but, instead, ask why people would be "dissing America." Their reasons for doing so might enlighten you.

Anonymous wrote:

FruminousBandersnatch wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The kid is within his constituional rights, but it's dad that the liberal educational system have created an environment in which students don't want to pledge allegiance to their country. It's the whole "diss America" trend that's going around.

Maybe not so much the liberal education system as the fact that police are shooting kids without facing any consequences. Just sayin'.

And, just maybe, it's a response to all these people who claim to love America, love the flag, love the anthem, love the Constitution, etc. but who seem to have such a poor grasp of what those things actually mean.

Those who blindly stand up for the flag and and the anthem will say, "The Muslims/Russians/villain du jour HATE our FREEDOM" while simultaneously:

- applauding (and electing) religious zealots like Roy Moore (and Mike Pence) who treat religion in America the way AT&T used to sell phones ("You can have any color as long as it's black, and you can be any religion you want, as long as it's the right kind of Christian"),

- endorsing policies that are explicitly designed to be racist (like the Republican supported voter ID laws, particularly the ones in Texas and NC),

- endorsing policies that are explicitly sexist ("You want our company to provide you with health insurance that covers birth control? You SLUT! Don't you know God hates sinners like you? God wants us to be fruitful and multiply - that's why our insurance covers my Viagra!")

- endorsing policies that are explicitly discriminatory towards homosexuals and those who live alternative lifestyles ("Gay marriage threatens the foundations of our society!" "Gay marriage is a threat to my marriage!" "The Bible says we should hate gays!")

at the same time the Internet is letting people get information about how things are done in other countries as it relates to education, the environment, gun control, health care, social safety nets, etc., and they look at the US and say, "Hmm...Perhaps we may not be as exceptional as these people keep claiming."

Maybe you shouldn't bemoan the "diss America" trend, but, instead, ask why people would be "dissing America." Their reasons for doing so might enlighten you.

Wow. You sure seemed to take out all your hatred for conservatives on me, for some reason. Just about everything you said doesn't align with my beliefs at all and had nothing to do with my vote. That's all.

Anonymous wrote:The kid is within his constituional rights, but it's dad that the liberal educational system have created an environment in which students don't want to pledge allegiance to their country. It's the whole "diss America" trend that's going around.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

FruminousBandersnatch wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The kid is within his constituional rights, but it's dad that the liberal educational system have created an environment in which students don't want to pledge allegiance to their country. It's the whole "diss America" trend that's going around.

Maybe not so much the liberal education system as the fact that police are shooting kids without facing any consequences. Just sayin'.

And, just maybe, it's a response to all these people who claim to love America, love the flag, love the anthem, love the Constitution, etc. but who seem to have such a poor grasp of what those things actually mean.

Those who blindly stand up for the flag and and the anthem will say, "The Muslims/Russians/villain du jour HATE our FREEDOM" while simultaneously:

- applauding (and electing) religious zealots like Roy Moore (and Mike Pence) who treat religion in America the way AT&T used to sell phones ("You can have any color as long as it's black, and you can be any religion you want, as long as it's the right kind of Christian"),

- endorsing policies that are explicitly designed to be racist (like the Republican supported voter ID laws, particularly the ones in Texas and NC),

- endorsing policies that are explicitly sexist ("You want our company to provide you with health insurance that covers birth control? You SLUT! Don't you know God hates sinners like you? God wants us to be fruitful and multiply - that's why our insurance covers my Viagra!")

- endorsing policies that are explicitly discriminatory towards homosexuals and those who live alternative lifestyles ("Gay marriage threatens the foundations of our society!" "Gay marriage is a threat to my marriage!" "The Bible says we should hate gays!")

at the same time the Internet is letting people get information about how things are done in other countries as it relates to education, the environment, gun control, health care, social safety nets, etc., and they look at the US and say, "Hmm...Perhaps we may not be as exceptional as these people keep claiming."

Maybe you shouldn't bemoan the "diss America" trend, but, instead, ask why people would be "dissing America." Their reasons for doing so might enlighten you.

Wow. You sure seemed to take out all your hatred for conservatives on me, for some reason. Just about everything you said doesn't align with my beliefs at all and had nothing to do with my vote. That's all.

Not directed at you, in particular, but if you’re saying that everything in the US is hunky dory and the only reason people would be making a statement by not standing for the Pledge or the anthem is because of the “lefty liberal educational system that makes it trendy to diss America,” well, then at best you’re wearing blinders.

If you’re supporting the Republican Party for other reasons, well, just like your tax dollars, your vote has gone to support things you disagree with. How much of that are you going to stand for before you change your vote, because all those things I listed are what the government elected by Republicans is doing.

Object to Trump? Guess what, your Republican Representatives and Senators are willing to put up with pretty much anything he does for a chance to enact their agenda while he’s in office and they have a majority.

Disagree with Roy Moore? Guess what, he’s the Repuican nominee for Senate in Alabama. While you may not live there, your Republican President, the nominal head of the Republican Party, is going to campaign for him, and so will other members of the Republican leadership if it looks like things are close. Maybe one of your elected Reps or Senators.

Object to racist and discriminatory voter ID laws? Those are being pushed by Republicans all over the place. Odds are your Reps, Senators and maybe even state legislators have been pushing them, as well.

Pro birth control? Pro gay rights? What are you doing voting Republican?

Whether you agree with those things or not, your votes for Republicans help make them happen.

Anonymous wrote:Jefferson wrote that maintaining slavery was like holding “a wolf by the ear, and we can neither hold him, nor safely let him go.”

So here we are. Britain and her allies introduced the America's to a horrific practice. Obviously, no one (black or white) wants to be here; in this position. Lincoln and others tried to support repatriation to Africa and that turned out really bad for most freed slaves back in Africa; longer term even worse for indigenous population as our colonies replicated Eupropean failures.

Insanity, as a cliche; is defined as "doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result". We often attribute this logic to Einstein or Jefferson or Franklin or someone revered. It is a myth; no one is attributed. Some say that is the definition of perseverance. While no prominent historical figure can be attributed to this quote; it does resonate. Blacks have paid a very high price, across centuries at this point; and Western society has failed them. Maybe it is time to try something new...

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The kid is within his constituional rights, but it's dad that the liberal educational system have created an environment in which students don't want to pledge allegiance to their country. It's the whole "diss America" trend that's going around.

American exceptionalism, and generally the concept of America as a great nation has passed with the election of donald Trump. The rest of world sees it. You idiots who elected this clown have ensured that. So no, I don't feel bad dissing America right now or when black football players don't stand for the anthem.. Go watch more NASCAR you inbreds and leave politics to people with a f*cking clue about Government, diplomacy, and intellectualism. Sorry. Sorry.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Schools are not a democracy. They have dress codes, zero tolerance for somethings and can decide that students stand for reciting of pledge of allegiance as well as standing for national anthem. Principals run the school not the students.

In Texas, this idiot lawyer will lose.

Wow, how quickly conservatives forget about the First Amendment.