Who did you think killed JonBenet?

[Anonymous]

The autopsy detailed that her head blow was significant enough to knock a grown man down. A little boy and woman would not be able to do that. Also, the garrote was homemade, and my guess is only a man with military knowledge like John would be able to do that. If anything, the Beth Holloway relationship was probably him ingratiating himself intentionally with another victim so he can look like a good guy/innocent parent. Do you think he would be crazy enough to tell her? Of course not. I think Patsy was the only one who knew but she did nothing because she did not want Burke to be alone if his father was imprisoned and she died of cancer. Patsy died from the guilt and the horror of realizing she married a monster. She should have at least reported the molestation. She had to know because she took JB to the pediatrician lots of times for vaginal issues.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The autopsy detailed that her head blow was significant enough to knock a grown man down. A little boy and woman would not be able to do that. Also, the garrote was homemade, and my guess is only a man with military knowledge like John would be able to do that. If anything, the Beth Holloway relationship was probably him ingratiating himself intentionally with another victim so he can look like a good guy/innocent parent. Do you think he would be crazy enough to tell her? Of course not. I think Patsy was the only one who knew but she did nothing because she did not want Burke to be alone if his father was imprisoned and she died of cancer. Patsy died from the guilt and the horror of realizing she married a monster. She should have at least reported the molestation. She had to know because she took JB to the pediatrician lots of times for vaginal issues.

Actually all of the investigators on the matter thought either patsy or Burke could have delivered the blow. It's possible with a heavy weapon to inflict that kind of blow even if you're a woman or an almost 10 year old. It's like swinging a baseball bat. Momentum. It's entirely possible that patsy or Burke hit her.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The autopsy detailed that her head blow was significant enough to knock a grown man down. A little boy and woman would not be able to do that. Also, the garrote was homemade, and my guess is only a man with military knowledge like John would be able to do that. If anything, the Beth Holloway relationship was probably him ingratiating himself intentionally with another victim so he can look like a good guy/innocent parent. Do you think he would be crazy enough to tell her? Of course not. I think Patsy was the only one who knew but she did nothing because she did not want Burke to be alone if his father was imprisoned and she died of cancer. Patsy died from the guilt and the horror of realizing she married a monster. She should have at least reported the molestation. She had to know because she took JB to the pediatrician lots of times for vaginal issues.

Actually all of the investigators on the matter thought either patsy or Burke could have delivered the blow. It's possible with a heavy weapon to inflict that kind of blow even if you're a woman or an almost 10 year old. It's like swinging a baseball bat. Momentum. It's entirely possible that patsy or Burke hit her.

Maybe. But, if they did, it sure as hell wasn't an accident. Whoever delivered the blow was hitting as hard as they could.

[Anonymous]

Agree. That's why I don't think it was patsy or John. No motive to strike their kid in the head and no indication of prior abuse.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Agree. That's why I don't think it was patsy or John. No motive to strike their kid in the head and no indication of prior abuse.

Could it be that Burke was really jealous of his sister and all the attention she got from the parents, particularly Patsy? Maybe he really resented his sister and all the energy that went into the pageants. I've got to believe Jonbenet was the primary focus of Patsy's world. Maybe he's just had enough and lost it that night.

[Anonymous]

It was also Christmas so present fighting, etc.

[Anonymous]

Burke was allowed to spend the rest of the holidays shuffled around among family friends and he spoke to a psychologist and police detectives without his parents there. I doubt they would do that if they were protecting him. Now I would say perhaps he wasnt exactly angry JB was out of the picture. I think he was kinda numb to death in general because just the year before his older sister died and his mother was going through life or death experimental treatment for cancer.

[Anonymous]

My apologies. The Ramsey daughter died in 1992 so Burke was 4 or 5.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The whole story is sick. These parents who literally WHORE out their children - making them look like miniature adults - are sick in the head.

That poor child became a victim at birth. abusive parenting

Unless they were taking money for sex with the little girl, they didn't "literally WHORE out their children."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The autopsy detailed that her head blow was significant enough to knock a grown man down. A little boy and woman would not be able to do that. Also, the garrote was homemade, and my guess is only a man with military knowledge like John would be able to do that. If anything, the Beth Holloway relationship was probably him ingratiating himself intentionally with another victim so he can look like a good guy/innocent parent. Do you think he would be crazy enough to tell her? Of course not. I think Patsy was the only one who knew but she did nothing because she did not want Burke to be alone if his father was imprisoned and she died of cancer. Patsy died from the guilt and the horror of realizing she married a monster. She should have at least reported the molestation. She had to know because she took JB to the pediatrician lots of times for vaginal issues.

Actually all of the investigators on the matter thought either patsy or Burke could have delivered the blow. It's possible with a heavy weapon to inflict that kind of blow even if you're a woman or an almost 10 year old. It's like swinging a baseball bat. Momentum. It's entirely possible that patsy or Burke hit her.

But they suspect that the weapon used was a flashlight. I have a hard time picturing a 9 year old boy swinging a flashlight hard enough to inflict this kind of damage. It's too short a weapon to get the kind of momentum needed to inflict this injury.

I have a hard time imagining a mother crashing a flashlight down hard enough to crack her own child's skull. Ditto the father.

That would have to be a purposeful, direct and powerful blow. And if it happened in the kitchen I would think that the whole house would have heard it.

[Anonymous]

http://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/jonbenet-ramsey-dad-john-protecting-son-burke-murder-allegations-2015611

Those children don't look happy in that photo whatsoever. A lot of pictures I've seen of the children with their mother, they look depressed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The autopsy detailed that her head blow was significant enough to knock a grown man down. A little boy and woman would not be able to do that. Also, the garrote was homemade, and my guess is only a man with military knowledge like John would be able to do that. If anything, the Beth Holloway relationship was probably him ingratiating himself intentionally with another victim so he can look like a good guy/innocent parent. Do you think he would be crazy enough to tell her? Of course not. I think Patsy was the only one who knew but she did nothing because she did not want Burke to be alone if his father was imprisoned and she died of cancer. Patsy died from the guilt and the horror of realizing she married a monster. She should have at least reported the molestation. She had to know because she took JB to the pediatrician lots of times for vaginal issues.

Actually all of the investigators on the matter thought either patsy or Burke could have delivered the blow. It's possible with a heavy weapon to inflict that kind of blow even if you're a woman or an almost 10 year old. It's like swinging a baseball bat. Momentum. It's entirely possible that patsy or Burke hit her.

But they suspect that the weapon used was a flashlight. I have a hard time picturing a 9 year old boy swinging a flashlight hard enough to inflict this kind of damage. It's too short a weapon to get the kind of momentum needed to inflict this injury.

I have a hard time imagining a mother crashing a flashlight down hard enough to crack her own child's skull. Ditto the father.

That would have to be a purposeful, direct and powerful blow. And if it happened in the kitchen I would think that the whole house would have heard it.

The flashlight that the investigators found in the kitchen isn't your average flashlight. It was a long-handled MAG light. Made of steel or aluminum - very heavy. I do believe Burke hit JB with the flashlight as she was sitting there, eating her pineapple. The second investigator on Reddit (the one who wrote, "Foreign Faction") also implied that Burke's toy trains were used in the cover-up / staging. Whether she was sexually assaulted with the toy trains () or just physically assaulted, he points to the trains as one primary reason that Burke was never ruled out.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The blow to the head that she received was enough to knock out a 300 pound linebacker, and it was only 1 strike. That is not the strength an accidental fall would provide nor is it the strength a 9 year old boy or cancer-ridden Patsy would have.Only someone 6 times her size and power could have done so. John. And it was intentional. He knocked her unconscious with the golf club in the basement with just one swing. He then staged the rest and wiped her body down clean before placing her in the cellar and then "discovering" her. The ransom note was also written by him. He was only ruled out because the expert was someone that he picked and was a personal friend. If you read it closely, you will know that it is classic Republican military guy lingo: "Mr. Ramsey.Listen carefully! We are a group of individuals that represent
a small foreign faction. We respect your bussiness
but not the country that it serves." Also, "foreign faction" was a term used in Star Trek and he was known to be a big fan.

Not saying you're wrong but how do you know this?

What is the difference in force required to fracture the skull of a young girl vs the skull of a grown man? Would a 140 pound man's skull be less sturdy than a 300 pound linebacker's skull?

I think that the blow to JonBenet's head would have been pretty much fatal to anyone. I just do not see a 9 year old boy being able to do that sort of damage.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The autopsy detailed that her head blow was significant enough to knock a grown man down. A little boy and woman would not be able to do that. Also, the garrote was homemade, and my guess is only a man with military knowledge like John would be able to do that. If anything, the Beth Holloway relationship was probably him ingratiating himself intentionally with another victim so he can look like a good guy/innocent parent. Do you think he would be crazy enough to tell her? Of course not. I think Patsy was the only one who knew but she did nothing because she did not want Burke to be alone if his father was imprisoned and she died of cancer. Patsy died from the guilt and the horror of realizing she married a monster. She should have at least reported the molestation. She had to know because she took JB to the pediatrician lots of times for vaginal issues.

Actually all of the investigators on the matter thought either patsy or Burke could have delivered the blow. It's possible with a heavy weapon to inflict that kind of blow even if you're a woman or an almost 10 year old. It's like swinging a baseball bat. Momentum. It's entirely possible that patsy or Burke hit her.

But they suspect that the weapon used was a flashlight. I have a hard time picturing a 9 year old boy swinging a flashlight hard enough to inflict this kind of damage. It's too short a weapon to get the kind of momentum needed to inflict this injury.

I have a hard time imagining a mother crashing a flashlight down hard enough to crack her own child's skull. Ditto the father.

That would have to be a purposeful, direct and powerful blow. And if it happened in the kitchen I would think that the whole house would have heard it.

The flashlight that the investigators found in the kitchen isn't your average flashlight. It was a long-handled MAG light. Made of steel or aluminum - very heavy. I do believe Burke hit JB with the flashlight as she was sitting there, eating her pineapple. The second investigator on Reddit (the one who wrote, "Foreign Faction") also implied that Burke's toy trains were used in the cover-up / staging. Whether she was sexually assaulted with the toy trains () or just physically assaulted, he points to the trains as one primary reason that Burke was never ruled out.

When I google "long handled MAG light" the flashlights that pop up all seem to weigh around 1 pound. Anyone have any idea how much the Ramsey flashlight weighed?

[Anonymous]

Could one of the trains in Burke's train room been thrown really hard at her head?